Why care about suiciders?

Hi @Lemonjuice,

Thank you for your honesty and for letting us into how you are feeling at the moment - that can take a lot of courage. It must feel like a rollercoaster being okay one second and then suicidal the next.

I can see that many members like @Former-Member @Snowflake @utopia @Phoenix_Rising @NameUnknown and @Queenie are willing to sit with you through these feelings and support you - us Moderators are included in that too.

I'm going to send you and email and check in with you to see what else we can do to support you...

Hi @Lemonjuice

You haven't upset me in the least - what you wrote is valid for you and your comments are honest - and there is nothing wrong with that

Suicide is a subject that is allowed for discussion here - and you haven't moved outside the guidelines here

And of course the forum is open to allow my opinion on the subject too - and I will state my thoughts - I need to - I have been too close to the other side - as you were able to read

I read an interesting article today - about euthanisia - it is open to for discussion in the Government in Victoria - personally I doubt that people with suicidal ideation would be considered - it is for serious and painful terminal diseases like cancer

But the subject is up for discussion

So you can stay and I hope you do - and you don't have to promise to refrain from suicide - but it is a very permanent solution to a temporary condition

Yes temporary - I have been depressed in my lifetime and for a long time - with reactive depression which at the time was not usually treated with antidepressants - I lived through it and came out the other side - my depression had a lot to do with my son and his life and death and also my marriage with was sad - and did not have the material to survive the death of a child

I didn't have suicidal ideation but I know how dark depression can be - people have different metabolism and different ways of coping - and I don't know about the mood-police - they can have their say to I guess

All the best though and keep writing - this is what people are here for - to write about their feelings

Dec

@LemonjuiceI have been reading along on here for awhile now but hadn't commented. I do not believe you are upsetting and/or triggering anyone. I think the heading of this thread will let people know if they can read this or not.

I can relate to alot of what you are saying about having plans but not wanting to do it. I have had suicide ideations for quite awhile now. Some days they are non-existent, some days there but managable and some days it is all I can think about.

Please keep reaching out on here. Your comments are certainly not whiny or attention seeking. They are important to you so they are important to us.

Hi @Lemonjuice I agree with lots of people in this thread that it's important to talk about suicidal thoughts. There are so few places where it's okay to do that. Particularly around people who really understand as our forum members do.

The conversation has shifted a bit from where it started but just to take it back there for a moment: I think it's similar to someone dying of a physical cause. We might be pleased that they are no longer suffering but we are also generally really sad that the illness or accident happened in the first place and that there wasn't a cure or fix.

I see suicide as the same way. A cause for real sadness that someone was suffering and that there wasn't sufficient treatment or support to change the outcome. I hope that as a society we've all moved on from times when someone would be labelled as selfish or be blamed. For the most part I think there's a lot more understanding that it's a search for relief from the pain.

At it's heart I see suicide as a loss of hope. When hope for change or recovery is gone, it's hard to find the reasons to keep fighting. Is that where you are Lemonjuice or is something else driving your thoughts?

As @utopia is highlighting, it's really interesting that you had the ten year gap from these thoughts. That must have been such a relief. The questions about the difference between then and now, and whether you can return to some of those circumstances, are good ones.

To reinforce what's already been said, there is no pressure to respond before you're ready or, in fact, at all. But know that you can come here to discuss these things. Our guidelines prevent discussion of the method but the rest is valuable and welcome.