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Coping with life's difficulties

Coping with life's difficulties

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@Till23

My way of handling things has usually been to just go into zombie mode. I completely withdraw and just lose motivation to do anything. I did that for a week or say at the start of last year after finding out I had become resistant to the first hormone therapy. I was told i would be on it for 3 years, go off it... monitor the PSA... if it started going up too much, go back on it for a while and repeat. It seemed like a good deal to me at the time if that was all i had to deal with. I only made it to the 2nd PSA test in late December 2023 to get the bad news, so i never got close to the 3 years. Zombie mode hit and it took my months to really start to get my head together again. I think it was May that I found here and joined.

I have heard that a lot of CSA survivors do turn to drugs and alcohol and the damage that it does to their lives. So i think its a lot of credit to you that you didn't go down such a destructive route. But even so it's hard to imagine who difficult it must have been for you, even to just to trust anyone.


I have come up with so many reasons why people can just sort of disappear when someone they know gets cancer. You listed some of the man ones but i came up with quite a few. In the end I decided I didn't care what their reasons were. If they weren't going to be there for me, I didn't want them around. I wasn't going to pretend and people please anymore, thinking I had to people what people wanted, always be the happy, funny person so they would want me around which I had done for most of my life. Realising that had got me nowhere but a handful of people who disappeared as soon as i really needed them after never asking anything from them, i just decided "no more". I think that was probably the main thought that made me look for somewhere to reach out and brought me here. I had decided that if i didn't want these unsupportive people around, then maybe I could find people who would support me. I was also a couple of months into the planning for the cancer support group i was working on which had really got me motivated to get back into life again.

I was lucky I guess when I had my 8 weeks of radiation. I didn't have work and my partner was working from home a lot so she would just drop me off, i'd whizz in to get done and she would come pick me up. The were upgrading one of the 2 machines they had for the first 6 weeks i was there so they were done to one machine. To make up for it they ran until 9pm, so getting sessions later in the day was fairly easy.


It was a bit annoying because when i went it for the planning session and the baseline image they take, they suddenly ask me once i was laying there was it okay if the give me three little tattooed dots so they could align me in the same position for all the sessions. What was I going to say? So i have tattoos now even though i've looked but i cant find them anymore. So it's not very impressive if someone asks to see my tats. ‌‌ The annoying bit is the new machine didn't need the tattoos! But in hindsight, I'm kind of glad i did so I can say i have 3 tattoos but i'm not showing you.


In the past year I have joined cancer support groups, adoptee support groups and MH support groups. And one thing I've heard time and time again from new people joining is the first think I thought... that I thought these feelings were just me and/or it so great to talk to people who understand what it's like. It really is nice to be able to talk to someone and not spend most of the conversation trying to explain what it like. Especially when some of it you don't even know how to really explain. Rather just talk to someone and you both know the other person just gets it.


That's the excuse they generally use. That they're just concerned about me and that it might be too much. The past one i tried, the one that was with the chemo patients, I go to go there and have a tour and a chat. I was very upfront about where I was in my treatments and that it was always going to be ongoing. That I had done all of these support things, including starting the support group and this is what helped me the most and drove me. She seemed very impressed and said she needed to speak to head office and organize the paperwork and i would be able to start in about 3 weeks. I got an email a week later saying she had talked to head office and they decided to put a pause on my application and that i was welcome to come back in 6 months when my treatment was finished. Like I said, I was very clear about where I was treatment was, and they are a cancer treatment centre so they know my situation. It just felt like a don't call us, we'll call you. And it was just an email. That was the last one i tried as I just could keep doing it.

I have found some volunteer opportunities since then. A member of a steering committee at the local hospital for a nationwide register/database of prostate cancer patients and their outcomes over time. Various studies, workshops, and research projects. All of them are due to me being a "consumer" but they all do seem to value my input from a patients point of view on a multitude of areas, so any little thing i can do and find another little positive or two from my situation.


It must be so rewarding volunteering and helping out homeless people and others really struggling financially. It's so great that they have you there to treat them with some dignity and talk to them and understand them. I'm sure it means the world to them to be treated like a person and not feel like they're there being looked down upon or being judged. As someone who had spent most of their lives finding it near impossible to ask for help, I can't imagine how hard it must be to have to ask for something so simple like food. The main solution with homeless people seems to be just get them out of sight in a lot of places. So anything, or anyone that makes them feel like the have some dignity and respect is so important. If my parents both died when i was in my 20s for example. The house would have needed to be sold and the proceeds divided between us. No because then i found it so hard to find a job because of my own issues as soon as they money run out from paying rent and all the other expenses of living somewhere by myself, I could so easily of become homeless myself. It only takes a couple of things to go wrong at the wrong time for anyone. But unfortunately it does seem to be so much harder for people dealing with traumas and just trying to do their best to cope and get through life. Some of us can hide it better than others and some people have more to deal with but it can be so hard and it's nice to get a little understanding and compassion. It goes such a long way when you can find it. Those childhood traumas stick with you! It becomes the way your brain is wired and it's so hard to change. I honestly don't think you ever do get rid of it, you can just learn to find ways to work around it and get some wins against it. But it takes a lot of time, luck and help.


A lot of people are surprise at my social issues, especially here i think because it's all online. I have time to think about responses, edit them, reword them, change them. It takes me a while. In person I don't have that luxury and i think i freeze. While I do admit i've become better at it, all that anxiety, self-doubt, and low self-esteem issues are still there. I think I've always been good at faking it, but in person it's very had to hide and i think it's much more obvious that i'm not that comfortable around people. Although i think a lot of people may see it as other things. Like maybe I don't care, or i'm disinterested, of maybe even arrogance because I keep to myself. If someone starts a conversation with me now, i think i'm a lot better and more comfortable doing that now. But stick me in a room with someone else and I will sit there in awkward silence longer than anyone else. I will never start the conversation. These days it's not even really because I don't know what to say or think i will embarrass myself like i would have in the past. I think now it's just more of those doubts still say "Don't talk to them, they don't want to talk to you. If they did they would have said something by now." I know it's wrong in most cases and most times the person would be very polite and have a conversation, but those doubts are strong and still have a lot of power of the more rational side of my brain.

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Thinking of you @MJG017 .

Please know you have an entire community here for you.

Have you ducks been around at your place?

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Thanks @tyme

The main problem is, and I don't mean just here, that a lot of people find it uncomfortable to talk about, especially when the prognosis isn't looking overly positive. So i've tried to be selective about who much I talk about it. I've always been happy to share everything, but without assuming everyone wants to hear it. It's a tricky balance.

The ducks have been staying around since the end of summer. I'm not sure if their nesting somewhere nearby because they seem to be around a lot, and hide in some bushes near the pool. That usually means they've moved in for the time being. There's doesn't seem to be a set time that they have ducklings. I'm not sure they know what season it is anymore. We had ducklings in the middle of summer a couple of years ago. If we get some, i'll post some photos.

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Hi @MJG017 how are you?

Sorry for the late response. I have been running around trying to get myself organised for my trip. So kind of resembling a headless chook 😂

I'm glad you are still managing to keep on with your studies and your group support work. I know what you mean about the quiet times. I kind of try not to have any!

I totally understand the feeling of pointlessness. I've felt like that at least since I stopped paid work. I am doing the volunteering and fundraising, but somehow it just seems like a drop in the bucket. Which is kind of why I'd like to do advocacy, despite not actually knowing how to do that!

I hold a lot of stuff back from my family, I'm kind of used to doing that. I have in the last few years said some stuff to friends but I feel guilty about making them share my negativity.

I am feeling ok about my ultrasound now because I haven't heard anything from anyone, so that means there's nothing urgent on it and might be nothing at all.

I still think about my dog multiple times a day, but I have accepted it now. I still feel sad at times though.

I hope you are able to let some light into your life. I know it's hard, but I think it has many positive benefits. Do you feel more down or more anxious do you think?

I just found out today Magda Szubanski has been diagnosed with Stage 4 mantle cell lymphoma.

My friend with ovarian cancer is just about to start another cycle of doxy (aka the red devil) so we'll have to see how she goes.

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Hi @Till23

I'm... still going. That feels like a win. Apart from feeling like a headless chook I hope you're doing okay.

I don't really have to hold stuff back anything from family, they just never ask so it makes that easy i guess. I do have 2 people in my (offline) life I can talk to and that is so incredibly helpful. I do hold back stuff with the though. I totally get when you feel with feeling guilty about sharing the negativity. I feel like i have to ration it out rather than drag them down with me. But i'm getting better at it... very slowly... and I'm so grateful having them to talk to when I'm really struggling. I does have a habit of giving me that 'shot in the arm' to get me up and around again.

That is great that you've haven't heard anything about the ultrasound. No news is good news. I had my PET scan last Friday and have my oncology appointment on the 5th. I talked to my psychologist about it on Tuesday and I said I just feel numb about it. Either it's clear and there's no spread (but i'm back to just waiting for that inevitable spread) or it detects something, i'm at stage 4 and I can at least have some options again. Either ways seems good news/bad news. So i don't know what to feel or think about it. With a week to go, i can't really say i've thought about the result much at all. Usually i'd be a bit tense by now, but i just don't feel anything about it.

Which I guess brings me neatly to your question about if i feel more down or anxious. I don't think i really feel anxious at all anymore. It's just feels more resigned. It's felt this way ever since they said there's no more option for the moment. It just feels like they were trying to let me down easy. I don't know. It's just hard to stay positive at all, and any feelings are just sadness rather than worry now. I'm still doing all the usual things i've been doing so i haven't given up anything, so i'm taking that as a positive.

That's sad news about Magda Szubanski. When ever i hear about something like that now with a celebrity, my mind always goes to all the every day people out there that just found out they have cancer and how they must be feeling. I know what they're feeling and I would never wish it on anyone. Fingers crossed for your friend though. I don't imagine she's exactly looking forward to it. I don't know much about it, other than it well deserves it's nickname, and not just for the colour.

I would love to do some more advocacy as well, but i really have no idea how to go about it either. The stuff I've done so far has always been a phone call or an email from someone asking me to do an interview. Sometimes it becomes tricky though. Especially when you get a letter from the PCFA with your photo in it saying look at this poor bloke here... please give us some money for research so no one has to end up like him! So i just spent the money on myself and cut out the middle man. 😁

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I'm glad you're still going @MJG017 and that's definitely a win.

Actually you're right I don't have to hold much back from my family because they don't really ask me. I actually hadn't really noticed that before! My mother actually forgot I had cancer the second time I got it! For me though, the cancer is not my major problem, it's MH. I am fairly anxious at the moment because even though I've been overseas before this seems harder and I don't feel as on top of things. But I can also suddenly go into a low. My psych said it;s because I'm still grieving, which is true but it's more than that.

In a way it's good that you haven't worried about PET result, but in the other is the numb feeling, which I personally do not like.

I can imagine it's hard to keep positive, but it's great you are continuing to do the other things, because it does bring normality to your life and therefore soem connection with other people.

It's funny when I got a text talking about Szubanski, I wrote back lots of people get cancer but you only hear about the famous people. I often have that opinion when something happens to a celebrity and it's all over the media, I think what about all the other people. A good thing that can come out of it of course is if the celebrity uses their position for advocacy.

I like you're startegy of leaving out the middle people and donating directly to yourself, at least you know exactly where your money went 😂

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Hi @Till23

Yes, I definitely take it as a win at this point. It does make me wonder though about the position i'm in, when i'm taking something so simple as a win! When did life get so stripped back to such a simple thing to be grateful for?

Now i'm not saying you need to think this way with your own family at all. I think the fact that i'm adopted and that i've never really felt that connected to them. Attachment issues are never fun! But in my worst moments last year, when i was struggling the most and the fact no one in my family every checked in or even took in interest in how my treatments were going... even if i was on any treatments or hat they were... i decided that they weren't family to me. Something i still feel today. I think it just helped to expect nothing from them and not suffer any more pain with their ongoing silence.

I honestly thought at the start of all this that it might turn into a positive thing. It was cancer. This was serious. Surely my family would gather around me. It might then bring that connection that i'd never felt before. Well, no apparently. It did the opposite. I see and hear from them less now than I ever did. It's disappointing, and it hurts. But i've moved on. I think the hurt is more about wishing i had family around me than being hurt by them. Last year my mother had a bowel cancer scare. My sister rang me right after mum had gotten the news that she might have bowel cancer (they seemed certain at the time), she told me it was important that we all worked together to support and help mum through this.

I mean what the hell am I supposed to say to that?! I honestly don't know if I was more upset about ignoring the fact i'd been dealing with cancer for almost 2 years by this stage, or that I was more insulted by being told I needed to help out like it would have never occurred to me!

I honestly don't like to think about them anymore. Which is easy as i spend all day every day trying not to think of things, so adding one more thing to the list of banned thoughts is not huge imposition.

I try not to look to far ahead anymore. None of that seems particularly happy. But I also don't like looking back either, even to happy memories. I think of myself as a child or when i was younger and all I see is some lonely kid or under 40 who thought things would eventually change... they had to! Someone would see past the quiet, shy other shell and see the positives inside. Now i just see someone who would never have thought that moment would take until his mid 40s and then it would all go a bit pear-shaped a few years later. So somehow my mind doesn't think back and it doesn't think forward. It feels like denial. I continue to get on with things and occasionally remember what's coming, and i think "how am i ignoring this anywhere near as much as I am?!" I'm actually shocked that I can do it so easily. I get the mind can do strange things when it has to.

Maybe it comes down to this numbness I feel about so many things now. I talked about it with my psych on Tuesday. Especially with feeling nothing about the PET scan results next week. I don't know if she was concerned about it, but she offered to give me a call the following day to check in and see how I was feeling after that appointment. Which was nice, she didn't have to do that. Part of me still suspects a trap when someone is that supportive out of the blue like that.

I know what i am in one of those lows that most things make me anxious far more than normal... even things I thought that I had made decent progress on. I wonder if it's just the same with you and your overseas trip. That the anxiousness is just more about your current feelings than the actual trip. The trip is just what it is finding to latch on to. The MH side of things definitely takes a toll and can make any situation so much more difficult than it feels like it needs to be. I remember saying to my psych (which started a longer conversation) that I'm not sure what is ultimately going to get me first... the cancer or the MH! Some days it feels neck and neck. I'm sure it just a combination of so many different things. Like you said, your psych said you're still grieving but you felt it feels like more than that. I get that. It's hard to describe, you can pick out bits and pieces but there always feels like there's more to it.

I feel like i did the right thing by just giving the money straight to myself as well. It mainly went to donuts, chips, and printer filament! But these were all things than made me happy, so success! I think i may need to donate some more. 😂

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I reckon take every win you can get @MJG017 as you know there are a lot of non-win situations in life.

I don't know if this is helpful or not, but I suppose it is a kind of gratitude thing. However, I often see other people's situations and think, well I'm lucky that my house hasn't got swept away in a flood or burnt down or I wasn't in some terrible accident and lost a limb, or eyesight or hearing or whatever.

I often think to myself, and more so as I get older, that I'm lucky I haven't had to deal with eczema all my life or other chronic things, especially chronic physical pain.

I often think to myself, well I'm lucky I got to my fifties before I got cancer, or this other immune/inflammatory chronic thing I have.

I can still see the natural beauty of the world, I can still hear the rain on the roof, the wind in the trees, the crashing of waves and the birds awakening me in the mornings. I don't have to wake to the sounds of peak hour traffic going past, or the smell of a refinery or steelworks. I have all 5 senses and I'm independently mobile. I can read and write and speak, so can communicate with people. My cognitive abilities are not bad, so I can make decisions for myself even if there small ones like buying and eating a donut or chips without assistance. I am not living in a war zone or on the streets.

Overall I think I have been lucky in life and I think feeling gratitude for that does help. Even though I did say to my psych that hands down I'd much rather have cancer again, even stage 4, than have these MH issues. I also said that I think I would much rather have been in a concentration camp, than be abused, because at least in a concentration camp, you knew you weren't the only one and there were other people to share the pain. So I haven't completely ignored my own issues, but even on typing out all the things I feel grateful for, I feel a bit uplifted.

The other thing I suppose is that every time I get in my car it cound be the last thing I do, especially with increasing accidents, so really no one knows what their future is going to be. I know that probably sounds a bit dismissive but it's another perspective at least.

People often say don't look back, and don't look forward, just live in the present. Apparently this is a helpful way to address anxiety and probably other things like depression.

I can easily think back to things about my dogs, that might be helpful for you to think about your pets.

Yes, definitely for me is my current MH status that is making this trip, so much harder than previously and that in needs to be. Part of that is definitely loss of confidence.

Yes I have decided instead of raising money for beyond blue or black dog this year I will donate the money to myself so I can go on my trip!

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Hey @MJG017 how are you going. I don't often see you on the forum lately. I am not on as much as I have been either, and I am trying to be mindful of the time I spend here, although in last week I have been on a bit more.

I hope you are well.

When you are ready I'd love to hear any updates etc.

I am currently having, what I think is, a bit of an attachment rupture with my psych. So those attachment issues keep on playing out. I'm sort of not looking forward to next session where I will ahve to try and sort it out.

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Interesting Four Corners on ABC tonight talking about early onset cancer @MJG017

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Hi @Till23, I hope everything is going well for you.

I have been busy with my studies. We had a full day workshop last week for crisis and suicide intervention (that's always a fun day!) and the past 2 days we had full assessment days to finish off unit 2. I came out of the assessment day on Tuesday thinking peer work wasn't something I could do. My final role play involved helping someone with a safety plan. I've never done one and i've never needed one so i went at it like an IT person would. Give us a form or template and we will mine for as much information as we can to fill it out with as much information as we can. So the student who I did the role play with (she played the client - and said she's done a LOT of safety plans fro herself in th past) said at the end she turned out half way through because I was firing too many questions because I was trying to fill everything out with too much. A good learning experience for sure, but I did come out thinking 'this is something I can do'. Not only because of the safety plan, but because the general talking to the client in the roleplay, I do struggle a bit with because I've never been that good at talking with people and it's only something i've tried to improve the past year or so, so I do feel way out of my depth when the subject is out of my own lived experience... which doesn't really seem to count for much with a lot of the scenarios we do. And being such a large part of peer work, I just felt a bit lost.

Fortunately I had a better day yesterday. I was talking to my lecturer during a break, and the subject of adoption came up. She mentioned she had been talking to the person who runs their (Relationships Australia SA) PASS (post adoption support services) program which I do get support from. Apparently they are looking to start using a peer worker next year for PASS ans she didn't know I was doing this course. So my lectured asked my if it was true I was doing peer work with cancer council and if I'd be interesting in the PASS role if it goes ahead? So I said, health willing, I'd definitely be very interested in it. I'd do it for free, but I didn't mention that. 😁

Speaking of health... yeah no much has changed yet, expect mentally. It's just getting harder and really struggling with this waiting. Knowing it will be stage 4 before too long at this rate and then things will really hit the fan! It just feels like waiting for the beginning of the end, and it's getting so hard to keep it out of mind. The things I do do, just seem to me doing them on mental 'autopilot' at the moment. The not having any family support around the past 3 years really is starting to take it's toll as the pressure of having to deal with so much on my own is definitely really starting to have a noticeable affect. And if i'm noticing it, well, it must be a big change! Maybe I'm just getting more self aware with the MH training.. who knows.

Oh, that sounds frustrating about your psych. Is it just losing a bit of trust talking to them, or something else? Since i've been seeing them, I've always found it to be a bit of a mixed bag and very up and down relationships with them. My current one is good, but I don't get to see her very often. I last saw her two weeks ago, and the next appointment isn't for another 5 weeks! So it's a lot of time to 'go backwards' inbetween appointments. I hope sorting it out with them goes smoothly and easily. It's the last thing that's needed is stress and anxiety about seeing a psych! When do you see them next?

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