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Coping with life's difficulties

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@Till23

My way of handling things has usually been to just go into zombie mode. I completely withdraw and just lose motivation to do anything. I did that for a week or say at the start of last year after finding out I had become resistant to the first hormone therapy. I was told i would be on it for 3 years, go off it... monitor the PSA... if it started going up too much, go back on it for a while and repeat. It seemed like a good deal to me at the time if that was all i had to deal with. I only made it to the 2nd PSA test in late December 2023 to get the bad news, so i never got close to the 3 years. Zombie mode hit and it took my months to really start to get my head together again. I think it was May that I found here and joined.

I have heard that a lot of CSA survivors do turn to drugs and alcohol and the damage that it does to their lives. So i think its a lot of credit to you that you didn't go down such a destructive route. But even so it's hard to imagine who difficult it must have been for you, even to just to trust anyone.


I have come up with so many reasons why people can just sort of disappear when someone they know gets cancer. You listed some of the man ones but i came up with quite a few. In the end I decided I didn't care what their reasons were. If they weren't going to be there for me, I didn't want them around. I wasn't going to pretend and people please anymore, thinking I had to people what people wanted, always be the happy, funny person so they would want me around which I had done for most of my life. Realising that had got me nowhere but a handful of people who disappeared as soon as i really needed them after never asking anything from them, i just decided "no more". I think that was probably the main thought that made me look for somewhere to reach out and brought me here. I had decided that if i didn't want these unsupportive people around, then maybe I could find people who would support me. I was also a couple of months into the planning for the cancer support group i was working on which had really got me motivated to get back into life again.

I was lucky I guess when I had my 8 weeks of radiation. I didn't have work and my partner was working from home a lot so she would just drop me off, i'd whizz in to get done and she would come pick me up. The were upgrading one of the 2 machines they had for the first 6 weeks i was there so they were done to one machine. To make up for it they ran until 9pm, so getting sessions later in the day was fairly easy.


It was a bit annoying because when i went it for the planning session and the baseline image they take, they suddenly ask me once i was laying there was it okay if the give me three little tattooed dots so they could align me in the same position for all the sessions. What was I going to say? So i have tattoos now even though i've looked but i cant find them anymore. So it's not very impressive if someone asks to see my tats. ‌‌ The annoying bit is the new machine didn't need the tattoos! But in hindsight, I'm kind of glad i did so I can say i have 3 tattoos but i'm not showing you.


In the past year I have joined cancer support groups, adoptee support groups and MH support groups. And one thing I've heard time and time again from new people joining is the first think I thought... that I thought these feelings were just me and/or it so great to talk to people who understand what it's like. It really is nice to be able to talk to someone and not spend most of the conversation trying to explain what it like. Especially when some of it you don't even know how to really explain. Rather just talk to someone and you both know the other person just gets it.


That's the excuse they generally use. That they're just concerned about me and that it might be too much. The past one i tried, the one that was with the chemo patients, I go to go there and have a tour and a chat. I was very upfront about where I was in my treatments and that it was always going to be ongoing. That I had done all of these support things, including starting the support group and this is what helped me the most and drove me. She seemed very impressed and said she needed to speak to head office and organize the paperwork and i would be able to start in about 3 weeks. I got an email a week later saying she had talked to head office and they decided to put a pause on my application and that i was welcome to come back in 6 months when my treatment was finished. Like I said, I was very clear about where I was treatment was, and they are a cancer treatment centre so they know my situation. It just felt like a don't call us, we'll call you. And it was just an email. That was the last one i tried as I just could keep doing it.

I have found some volunteer opportunities since then. A member of a steering committee at the local hospital for a nationwide register/database of prostate cancer patients and their outcomes over time. Various studies, workshops, and research projects. All of them are due to me being a "consumer" but they all do seem to value my input from a patients point of view on a multitude of areas, so any little thing i can do and find another little positive or two from my situation.


It must be so rewarding volunteering and helping out homeless people and others really struggling financially. It's so great that they have you there to treat them with some dignity and talk to them and understand them. I'm sure it means the world to them to be treated like a person and not feel like they're there being looked down upon or being judged. As someone who had spent most of their lives finding it near impossible to ask for help, I can't imagine how hard it must be to have to ask for something so simple like food. The main solution with homeless people seems to be just get them out of sight in a lot of places. So anything, or anyone that makes them feel like the have some dignity and respect is so important. If my parents both died when i was in my 20s for example. The house would have needed to be sold and the proceeds divided between us. No because then i found it so hard to find a job because of my own issues as soon as they money run out from paying rent and all the other expenses of living somewhere by myself, I could so easily of become homeless myself. It only takes a couple of things to go wrong at the wrong time for anyone. But unfortunately it does seem to be so much harder for people dealing with traumas and just trying to do their best to cope and get through life. Some of us can hide it better than others and some people have more to deal with but it can be so hard and it's nice to get a little understanding and compassion. It goes such a long way when you can find it. Those childhood traumas stick with you! It becomes the way your brain is wired and it's so hard to change. I honestly don't think you ever do get rid of it, you can just learn to find ways to work around it and get some wins against it. But it takes a lot of time, luck and help.


A lot of people are surprise at my social issues, especially here i think because it's all online. I have time to think about responses, edit them, reword them, change them. It takes me a while. In person I don't have that luxury and i think i freeze. While I do admit i've become better at it, all that anxiety, self-doubt, and low self-esteem issues are still there. I think I've always been good at faking it, but in person it's very had to hide and i think it's much more obvious that i'm not that comfortable around people. Although i think a lot of people may see it as other things. Like maybe I don't care, or i'm disinterested, of maybe even arrogance because I keep to myself. If someone starts a conversation with me now, i think i'm a lot better and more comfortable doing that now. But stick me in a room with someone else and I will sit there in awkward silence longer than anyone else. I will never start the conversation. These days it's not even really because I don't know what to say or think i will embarrass myself like i would have in the past. I think now it's just more of those doubts still say "Don't talk to them, they don't want to talk to you. If they did they would have said something by now." I know it's wrong in most cases and most times the person would be very polite and have a conversation, but those doubts are strong and still have a lot of power of the more rational side of my brain.

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Part 2 of post @MJG017

Yes, I'd love to donate to your Long Run if I could.

Maybe I can look up if they have an event here and do it myself over here.

They sent me another bowel test kit as I failed to do the other one!

So there's something to look forward to this week 🤣

Mother's day is hard for me, not being a mother and the societal expectation is that women "will" be mother's whereas not everyone expects men to be father's. The other thing is my relationship with my mother is strained because I didn't get support when I finally told her about the CSA and she continued to live with the stepfather and my sister and I still lived there too. So I feel like I am not an important person in her life.

This week will be hard because of putting my dog down and the closer it gets, the more I think "is he really that bad", am I letting him go too early, it's such a hard decision.

I better get off to bed as I have a psych appointment in 8hrs! and I need to get there first.

Wishing you all the best for your appointment on the 15th

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Hi @Till23

No need to apologies for any delays, I know that life, and our mental health, can get in the way. It makes me feel a bit better about when I do the same.


Yes, there's getting soaked, and the there's 'down to the undies' soaked! I sure it was well worth it in the end. I've had to do a bit of media as well the past 6 months. I know that it feels a bit silly, but as someone who has always avoided any attention for anyone, I find myself getting quite a buzz from the attention. I worry about how i come across of course, but i know it's important to raise the awareness and funds and it kind of nice to feel like i'm doing a bit to help that. It's also a bit of fun to see myself in the newspaper. Then even better to see myself on TV and be on the radio. ‌‌ As impossible as it seems, maybe there is a tiny little hint of an extrovert in there somewhere. ‌‌ I just had to send an email off just now about a feature on my story and my support group that is going onto the 'social medias' this afternoon. I think i just forget the embarrassment and the awkwardness when things like this come up. Well mostly. That passion for cause just takes over and I do things the me of more than a year ago whole have run and hid from. It's funny how these challenges in left can change us.


The psychology for me really started when i was invited into a study after I was first diagnosed. It was about the effects of hormone therapy on people going through it. It was a series of 6 phone interviews over 9 or 12 months i think. I'm not sure. The first 4 were fairly early and then the last 2 spread out a bit more. The first call we actually had to re do after the woman (a therapist of some sort by memory) that i talked to could tell i was depressed and we just talked about that. By the time we got to the 4th call (or 5th if you count the 1st one that we did twice) she suggested that I might want to talk to a counselor or psycholgist. I told her I had never really talked to anyone about anything in my life, but i knew at this stage that I probably did need to.


She was so good to me and we had had 5 good long talks by this point and i didn't want to lie to her. So i said that even if i agreed to look into it, by the time i got off the phone with her, the anxiety of it would just make me talk myself out of doing it. She asked me if I would like her to look into it on my behalf. She was in Queensland, but said should would try to find out what was available in Adelaide that may be an option for me.


As someone who was just supposed to interview my about the questions for the study, she really did go above and beyond and i've never forgotten how much she helped me. It literally changed me life. Everything I've done the past 18 months can be traced back to that talk with her and her offering to arrange to find some mental health support for me.


She found a free oncology psychology service at my treating hospital. And I started a couple of months later. I did get a lot out of it initially. I was talking about my feelings, fear, and struggles with another person!! It wasn't awful! For the first time in my life, i felt i could open up to people and it was safe to be honest.


The downside of the service was that it was the psychology students you spoke to, the ones doing their final placements. So you'd get one for 4 months, there'd be a 2 month gap and then a new one would take their place. It didn't bother me as i just liked having someone to talk to and talk about how much I was struggling.


So this was late 2023. There was the break at the end of the year and I started with someone new in February last year. That went well as well. Although at the end of this persons time (around June) she asked if i wanted to make an another appointment but that it wouldn't be until her replacement started in August. I said i'd like to continue. She asked me if i was sure because those distress tests they give you each appointment weren't really improving. I said i was aware of that but i did find these sessions helpful.


So the next appointment with the new person went well I thought but she seems hesitant at the end of the appointment about me scheduling another one. I said again that i found it helpful so we booked another. At the end of that one, the pressure to discharge myself really ramped up! She said that it was "making her feel bad because I kept coming back and it didn't seem to be helping", even though i said it did help. I didn't say anything though, i was a bit shocked. I only remember sitting there thinking 'I didn't know part of this was to make you feel better!'. So she added "You're using this as a crutch. You know you can come back here so you're not trying to improve yourself.". Again, not knowing what to say, I just thought "you've been helpful, but not that helpful!" I decided that if i went back I would just fake those distress test scores and pretend i was doing better than i was just to make this pressure go away and have them see the proof i was improved that they seemed to really want. I realised this was now pointless, so i just agreed to do it their way, said i wouldn't make another appointment, and was told if i felt after a few months that i would like to come back, I was more than welcome to. I knew that was never going to happen! So I just left.


I was just completely put of psychologists. I knew thew were at the start of their careers but apart from sitting there listening and being told to be more positive and not assuming the worst, i really never got any advice. The first got got me to do a few things as homework to try an workout how I could try to get myself back into doing things I enjoyed, but it was all just things you'd expect your neighbour to say to you after that. At one point I thought about doing the study just to see what these people learn for 4 years! I had no idea.


It was a month after this happened that our support group had a clinical psychologist from the Lift cancer support service as a guest speaker. As the group leader i was there a bit early as always and had the change to have a bit of a chat to her. She made the same face everyone makes when I told her what had happened. At the end of the meeting i decided that if i ever tried psychology again (which felt doubtful at that point) I would go to see these people. From her talk, it seemed far more like what I had expected it to be like.


So my appointments are about $260 and about $110 back for my MHCP. I don't know what i'm going to do after the next 10 visits! At this point, my feeling is I'll just pay whatever it takes. I've always had good day and bad day throughout this. But the past month or so, it just feels like it's all bad days, that it''s getting hard to hide and harder to distract myself, and that even day to day each day feels a little worse than the last. It just feels unsustainable at this point. Like I know something needs to change because it's just getting so hard to hold it all at bay now. Even the old bad habits like withdrawing completely feel like they're back in full force. If it wasn't for what i've learned the past 12 months or so and the improvements and understanding around trauma that i've discovered, I just think i would be a complete mess right now. But keeping that at bay is just starting to take suck a toll!


I'm still very apprehensive about my GP appointment on Thursday. I've talked about this with a few trusted people, like here, and gotten some really helpful encouragement. I know it will be on my mind when im there and hopefully it will help me to do what I know I need to do. I'll keep you updated about what happens.


The biological family question is complicated. Do i regret it? No. I have answers now. I met my bio brother and sisters, and met my mother. Those are things that are so incredibly important to me. But there's the other side. The knowing of things i could have done knowing what i know now. The regrets, the new questions i have. I think the photo i still have on the fridge of my brother and I standing together after we met for the first time. There are very few photos of me. My adoptive family never really took many, and what they did never really got kept. So there's very little of my childhood left. But that photo is one of my most treasured possessions. A photo of me and my biological brother and we both look very similar. I've never seen photo of anyone where i (or anyone else) can look at and say "those two are related." Its so special to me. But after that meeting it became really hard to get him to reply to anything. I've talked to him a couple of times since but that was only really sue to necessity from him. When my biological mother passed away from example. So while that photo of us is on the fridge and I see it every day and it my most treasured possession, it's also my most painful. That sort of sums up the whole biological family situation. Now it just feels like a third family that wants very little to do with me and doesn't ever ask me how i'm going health wise. With 3 families all being the same, it's hard to not see myself as the common denominator and know it must be my fault somehow. But now, it also feels like there's just not enough time to fix any of it, even if i knew how.


For me, the difficulty with Father's day isn't so much about the expectations, just the deep regret and sadness that i never had kids. It was always the only real thing i wanted out of life. But with those severe attachment issues, the utter lack of self-confidence for most of my life... it just never happened. To be honest, it never really go close. I was 42 when I had my first date. A bit of a late bloomer i guess. ‌‌


You know its going to be a good day when you start it off by pooing into something and then poking it repeatedly with a little stick! It just really sets that foundation for the rest of the day! ‌‌


The Long Run is run throughout September (Prostate awareness month). Anyone can sign up, it's national. You just have to walk, run, or ride 72kms over the month to raise money for the PCFA.


I had better get going. I've got my adoption counseling session soon, and i need to get ready. But i just wanted to say to take care of yourself this week, it's clearly going to be a very tough one with your dog. It such a hard decision and one none of us ever want to have to deal with.


While i have no personal history with CSA, I do understand not feeling like an important person in my mother's life and not getting support whenever i needed it. I wouldn't even know how to advise someone on learning how to really trust people after feeling like that. Let alone, all the other reasons life seems to throw at us! It does make me appreciate places like this though where we can talk about it finally and we can have those bad days (or weeks or months) and know people will understand and still be there for us. I know it means a lot to me, and keeps me here even when i just want to disappear under a rock.

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Hey @MJG017 I hope your appointment today was as good as could be expected, happy to hear about it, if you're up to it

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@Till23

I asked my GP about seeing someone interstate and he said he didnt think it wouls help as anything theyvwould suggest would be incredibly expensive. So i really dont know what I can do anymore. Just doesnt seem to be any options left orher than wait until theres spread and then hope theres a trial. But with the agressiveness and the chemo likely to not be very effective I just dont think I have this time to waste. Im just not feeling like theres any hope at all at the moment.

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I am so sorry to hear that @MJG017.

Can you afford to fund your treatment yourself?

I am going to be here all the time, if you want to chat about anything. I really mean that. I think you are such an inspiring person and you've tried so hard to do things for yourself and others. It's an honour for me to be able to chat with you

I found out a person I volunteer with has stage 4 ovarian cancer and she is sleeping on the streets this week to raise awareness of homelessness. It's been raining here. There's a big sleeping out event here tomorrow night which will be her last night outside. It's where they take over a carpark and people sleep out overnight to raise money. Another inspirational person.

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@Till23

Im not really sure what to say to such kind words. Thankyou.

It just feels like im a victim of prostate cancer beind so far beind some of the other cancers, wven though its the most widespread cancer and in the top 3 for cancer realate deaths... maybe even top 2. There just doesnt seem to be the options that there are for orher cancers... without having to take out a 2nd mortgage. Maybe im being biased, i dont know. But even immunotherapy seems to be so far behind with PC... no funding or cover at all. I just dont know what to do or think at the moment. It just feels so much like the fight is over. Depending on exact costs, it may be a possibilty, but it also comes down to how much money i want to use up on myself for how much time against leaving my partner with a lot less money when im gone.

This person you volunteer certainly does sound very inspirational. im not sure i could compared myself to her at all but i do appreaciate being mentioned in the same breath. To do what she is doing really is incredible. Its a bit humbling to be honest.

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Yes I know @MJG017 I am lucky to have had breast cancer, if I'd had ovarian it would have been a much different situation as that is far behind prostate cancer, I might not be chatting with you. Dad of course was worse off because he first got prostate cancer about 30 years ago. Of course he was older when he got it though. Then there are rarer cancers that are much, much further behind. It's just a time thing. Prostate cancer will catch up, especially with early detection it has a very high survival rate. That's not helping your current situation of course.

I went in a few trials when I was having my cancer treatment to at least try to help the next generation. I have also been in numerous trials previous to that as a "normal" volunteer. It comes with working in health care and medical research.

As you know treatments are being added to PBS all the time. It's just that time thing again.

As you might be aware the Australian of the year Richard Scolyer was a melanoma researcher, they were studying immunotherapy for that. He got a very dire brain cancer and they treated him with surgery and immunotherapy they had designed for melanoma (even though it wasn't completely sorted out for melanoma, but there'd been promising results) as a trial. Immunotherapy is pretty new for any cancer. It was really the blood cancers like leukaemia and lymphoma that were the front runners for cancer treatment. My rare immune thing is so rare only about 2000 people in Australia have it, so no research in Australia and very little around the world. I suppose it's a luck of the draw thing.

If either of us had got cancer 50 years ago we probably would have both been gone by now.

Maybe funding your treatment might be something to think about. Numerous people have started funding their own treatment, then the treatment goes on the PBS.

I know none of that, except funding your own treatment, is not helping your current situation though.

I have some understanding of your situation, but know that I am happy to chat about these things or just shoot the breeze, or discuss MH or anything that you think might be helpful

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Thanks @Till23

I guess its just the frustration with my situation. Its so incredibly disheartening to kniw there are treatments available, but yiu have to have the 'right' cancer. And if you're one of those edge cases, well youre just more out of luck.

Its also so frustrating when they calmly and matter of factky drop terrible news on yiu and the say "off you go" and yiure life to try and pick up the pieces mentally. Which is so much harder without much support around. I have 8 sessions on my MHCP and im starting my 6 nemwith the cancer council next week... after thsn, i dont know what im going to do. I do worry rhat it might overwhelm me without these services to speak to. I could just pay full price for the clinical psych, but at just over $260 a session when not working, its just outs an unfair finacisl burden on my partner.

I rhink ive always handles pressure and stress prwtty well. Well, as far as being able to file it away, continue to function without anyone being the wiser. But its getting so difficult. It feels like uncharted mental territory and ill admit, it scares me. The worse it gets the worse it is on my partner as well. I know that, andcit just puts wven more pressure on. I know its probably a bit unfair on myself, but I just cant put more on her than I feel I absolutely have to. I guess this is why Ive asked her to come to the next psych session with me again. I am trying so hard to maintain some positivity, especially for her, but it feels like theres just too much stacked against me and im usibg the mental energy I have left on her and the other support things that are important to me. Maybe ive writtin myself off as much as it feels the system has. i dont know... its something to talk to the psych about some more.

I really do appreciate these chats, now more than ever. I only really get these opportunities with the psych, and I have to ration those. So unfortunately it means you get to listen to my rants. But you've been so fantastic about it, I cant thank you enough. You talked about inspiring, well it inspires me to remember why i liked it here in the first place and helps me to continue to keep trying to support others as much as I can. I think that keeps me going more than anything else.

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I totally get the frustration @MJG017. Most people are not aware of what it's like to be told this is what you have, but this is all the treatment we have.

Yes, I am pretty worried what I am going to do once I've used all my MHCP sessions.

I'm just wondering if you've discussed with your partner, the cost of things. Maybe she'd be happy to outlay a bit of money to have a happier or more settled you. It's a huge thing you have to deal with.

I have been pretty much the same with filing my stuff away. I got through three different careers, up almost until retirement without telling anyone aside from a few professionals, even after I'd been hospitalised after a serious suicide attempt. I could even make reasonable excuses as to why I was away for a week.

I can certainly understand how it's difficult to be positive when you don't feel like that and it does use up a lot of energy. I know because I've done it a lot in my life.

I certainly don't mind listening to you. You've listened to me enough. It helps me to think that I'm really giving some kind of help to some one else.

Recently I've been thinking a bit radically and thinking - is it too late to train as a radiation therapist. I am going to look up the time it takes, cost etc.

I think it's great if you can find something to keep you going as long as it doesn't "cost" you too much. By that I mean as long as it doesn't drag you down or stop you from engaging in your own self care.

I'm going to sign off, Tomorrow (actually later today) my dog will have his last ever vet visit. I want to try and do some things he'll enjoy. I've given him some nice food tonight and have some nice food for tomorrow.

I'll be on the forums tomorrow night as a distratcion at least

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Hi @Till23

I just wanted to let you know my thoughts are with you on this incredibly tough day for you. Be kind to yourself and im around if you want to chat.

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