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Coping with life's difficulties

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@Till23

My way of handling things has usually been to just go into zombie mode. I completely withdraw and just lose motivation to do anything. I did that for a week or say at the start of last year after finding out I had become resistant to the first hormone therapy. I was told i would be on it for 3 years, go off it... monitor the PSA... if it started going up too much, go back on it for a while and repeat. It seemed like a good deal to me at the time if that was all i had to deal with. I only made it to the 2nd PSA test in late December 2023 to get the bad news, so i never got close to the 3 years. Zombie mode hit and it took my months to really start to get my head together again. I think it was May that I found here and joined.

I have heard that a lot of CSA survivors do turn to drugs and alcohol and the damage that it does to their lives. So i think its a lot of credit to you that you didn't go down such a destructive route. But even so it's hard to imagine who difficult it must have been for you, even to just to trust anyone.


I have come up with so many reasons why people can just sort of disappear when someone they know gets cancer. You listed some of the man ones but i came up with quite a few. In the end I decided I didn't care what their reasons were. If they weren't going to be there for me, I didn't want them around. I wasn't going to pretend and people please anymore, thinking I had to people what people wanted, always be the happy, funny person so they would want me around which I had done for most of my life. Realising that had got me nowhere but a handful of people who disappeared as soon as i really needed them after never asking anything from them, i just decided "no more". I think that was probably the main thought that made me look for somewhere to reach out and brought me here. I had decided that if i didn't want these unsupportive people around, then maybe I could find people who would support me. I was also a couple of months into the planning for the cancer support group i was working on which had really got me motivated to get back into life again.

I was lucky I guess when I had my 8 weeks of radiation. I didn't have work and my partner was working from home a lot so she would just drop me off, i'd whizz in to get done and she would come pick me up. The were upgrading one of the 2 machines they had for the first 6 weeks i was there so they were done to one machine. To make up for it they ran until 9pm, so getting sessions later in the day was fairly easy.


It was a bit annoying because when i went it for the planning session and the baseline image they take, they suddenly ask me once i was laying there was it okay if the give me three little tattooed dots so they could align me in the same position for all the sessions. What was I going to say? So i have tattoos now even though i've looked but i cant find them anymore. So it's not very impressive if someone asks to see my tats. ‌‌ The annoying bit is the new machine didn't need the tattoos! But in hindsight, I'm kind of glad i did so I can say i have 3 tattoos but i'm not showing you.


In the past year I have joined cancer support groups, adoptee support groups and MH support groups. And one thing I've heard time and time again from new people joining is the first think I thought... that I thought these feelings were just me and/or it so great to talk to people who understand what it's like. It really is nice to be able to talk to someone and not spend most of the conversation trying to explain what it like. Especially when some of it you don't even know how to really explain. Rather just talk to someone and you both know the other person just gets it.


That's the excuse they generally use. That they're just concerned about me and that it might be too much. The past one i tried, the one that was with the chemo patients, I go to go there and have a tour and a chat. I was very upfront about where I was in my treatments and that it was always going to be ongoing. That I had done all of these support things, including starting the support group and this is what helped me the most and drove me. She seemed very impressed and said she needed to speak to head office and organize the paperwork and i would be able to start in about 3 weeks. I got an email a week later saying she had talked to head office and they decided to put a pause on my application and that i was welcome to come back in 6 months when my treatment was finished. Like I said, I was very clear about where I was treatment was, and they are a cancer treatment centre so they know my situation. It just felt like a don't call us, we'll call you. And it was just an email. That was the last one i tried as I just could keep doing it.

I have found some volunteer opportunities since then. A member of a steering committee at the local hospital for a nationwide register/database of prostate cancer patients and their outcomes over time. Various studies, workshops, and research projects. All of them are due to me being a "consumer" but they all do seem to value my input from a patients point of view on a multitude of areas, so any little thing i can do and find another little positive or two from my situation.


It must be so rewarding volunteering and helping out homeless people and others really struggling financially. It's so great that they have you there to treat them with some dignity and talk to them and understand them. I'm sure it means the world to them to be treated like a person and not feel like they're there being looked down upon or being judged. As someone who had spent most of their lives finding it near impossible to ask for help, I can't imagine how hard it must be to have to ask for something so simple like food. The main solution with homeless people seems to be just get them out of sight in a lot of places. So anything, or anyone that makes them feel like the have some dignity and respect is so important. If my parents both died when i was in my 20s for example. The house would have needed to be sold and the proceeds divided between us. No because then i found it so hard to find a job because of my own issues as soon as they money run out from paying rent and all the other expenses of living somewhere by myself, I could so easily of become homeless myself. It only takes a couple of things to go wrong at the wrong time for anyone. But unfortunately it does seem to be so much harder for people dealing with traumas and just trying to do their best to cope and get through life. Some of us can hide it better than others and some people have more to deal with but it can be so hard and it's nice to get a little understanding and compassion. It goes such a long way when you can find it. Those childhood traumas stick with you! It becomes the way your brain is wired and it's so hard to change. I honestly don't think you ever do get rid of it, you can just learn to find ways to work around it and get some wins against it. But it takes a lot of time, luck and help.


A lot of people are surprise at my social issues, especially here i think because it's all online. I have time to think about responses, edit them, reword them, change them. It takes me a while. In person I don't have that luxury and i think i freeze. While I do admit i've become better at it, all that anxiety, self-doubt, and low self-esteem issues are still there. I think I've always been good at faking it, but in person it's very had to hide and i think it's much more obvious that i'm not that comfortable around people. Although i think a lot of people may see it as other things. Like maybe I don't care, or i'm disinterested, of maybe even arrogance because I keep to myself. If someone starts a conversation with me now, i think i'm a lot better and more comfortable doing that now. But stick me in a room with someone else and I will sit there in awkward silence longer than anyone else. I will never start the conversation. These days it's not even really because I don't know what to say or think i will embarrass myself like i would have in the past. I think now it's just more of those doubts still say "Don't talk to them, they don't want to talk to you. If they did they would have said something by now." I know it's wrong in most cases and most times the person would be very polite and have a conversation, but those doubts are strong and still have a lot of power of the more rational side of my brain.

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Welcome back from the west @MJG017

I'm so glad you had a good time and were able to have a break from your "real life"!

I'm sure it was good for you and your cortisol level probably went down. There is some evidence that high cortisol can be involved in cancer progression.

Yes, Dad had the same situation having serial PET scans, he had it in his bones and in lymph nodes in his lungs for a long time (like probably a decade or more) without that changing, after that he had a fair bit in his pelvis for about 5 years before he came to live with me for last 6 months.

It's good to keep doing weight bearing exercise so your bones are as strong as possible. Dad did that because he lived on property by himself for about 40 years so everything was exercise. Because he started with good bone density, even though he had it in his bones he never had a fracture because it took a long time to weaken the bones. He only really had bone pain right at the end.

Oh, great so you are on DSP? Is that a new development? Not having to do those employment things must be a relief, or is there still stuff you have to do?

My sport has a subsection for breast cancer survivors and thrivers and there are 3 stage 4 ladies in my team as well as the lady with stage 4 ovarian cancer (whose hair has grown back after her latest chemo for that). They are all doing well despite being on treatment and they say it helps with their physical and mental health. So, I think it's not a good idea to be sedentary, as it can affect prognosis, this is definitely true for breast and bowel cancer, but there is suggestion it may be same for prostate cancer. Obviously, I'm not suggesting running a marathon, but some exercise everyday will also increase your lung capacity and general cardiovascular health and bone density.

I do get up at 6.30am on sport training days, but the other day I actually slept in until 10am!! I also stay in bed longer on cold days, but I'm usually up by 8am.

I did have one time when I had this pain in one of my right ribs that wouldn't go away, I thought it was from my other weird immune disease, I finally went to GP and had an X-ray (because spread to ribs is pretty common in breast cancer) and she was worried when I told her I'd had it for a couple of months (I'd had cancer twice by then), anyhow there was no abnormality in bone, so probably was the other disease.

I don't really worry about aches or twinges etc.

My tinnitus I try not to worry about or think about it, I just try to ignore it. Vertigo is harder to ignore I keep doing everything but I'm a bit careful if I think a particular movement might set it off. I have got a few bruises from stumbling into walls etc in the past but I'm used to it now, so sort of steel myself.

My easter started with sport training, followed by a breakfast of coffee and hot cross bun!

I don't actually have any chocolate in my house at the moment, so I will need to urgently address that tomorrow when shops are open!

I don't buy easter eggs because they are expensive form of chocolate.

I hope you can keep the positives from your holiday for as long as possible. Maybe you should try to get away a bit more!

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@Till23 I'd love to say it's great to be back, but i sort of liked it over there.

I may be living proof the cortisol is involved in cancer progression... or just plain aggression in my case. The place that i'm booked in to try psychologists again runs an exercise program in conjunction with a GP assessment. Our support group had their CEO as a guest speaker this month who talked about exercise and it's importance with cancer. She said to check in with her when i'm there for my psych appointment to talk about the exercise program and get a bit of a tour. She said it was important to think about exercise as another treatment you're on and it made me realise that i need to get a lot better at it. She even talked about how exercise is now even recommended for people with a lot of fatigue from radiation and chemo. I hope this place can help me get my mind and body on the right track. It sounds promising from listening to the two guest speakers we've had from them so far (a psych last year and the CEO just recently - a physiotherapist)

Ive started on the B12 injections to try to improve the bones and the low platelets so i really do need to get back to the exercise to get the bones as strong as i can for when i need chemo. Even if I have been told it's not likely to be very effective with the aggression mine has showed, but he did say that about 'standard' chemo, so i'm assuming he was talking about docetaxel. I'll worry about all that when it happens.

The DSP was about a year ago that it got approved. Which was lucky because things have gone down hill in that year quite a bit, so i'm so glad I don't have those Centrelink hoops to jump through on top of everything else going on the past year. I'm not sure I wouldn't have just told them to just leave me alone and keep their money if I had to keep dealing with it.

I feel a bit better hearing that you sometimes get up at 10am some days as well. It's nice to know i'm not the only one. 😁 I do try to be up by 9am, but some days it's just a bit much. I think i'm still on WA time though, because I was up at about 7.30 this morning. Even the cats looked surprised.

I'm not sure what the most common places prostate cancer spreads to. I know a few guys I've spoken to have it in their ribs. I do know that it tends to spread upwards in the body so that sounds about right that it would go to the ribs.

I hope you do remedy the chocolate situation once the shops are open again. Even when i was a kid, i would ask my parents for the blocks of chocolate rather than eggs. It was much more chocolate for the money. I mean you have to be smart with these things!

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Hey @MJG017 I'm sorry I didn't answer your last post on here, I don't know how that happened

I have been pretty busy with my sport.

I also when through a bit of a down period, after I had a suboptimal interaction with a person in my sport club. I always blame myself when something like that happens. People have had some slight problems with this person before, but anyhow. I am slowly recovering. It of course send me on a downward spiral of what a useless, horrible and unkind person I am.

On the "Battles" thread you seem quite down about your situation?

I don't want to give you false hope, but I reckon you should see another oncologist. I can't believe that are doing no active treatment for stage 3 and just letting it became Stage 4 before doing the next thing.

I mean if you are told the options and side effects etc and YOU decide go for a quality of remaining life option, that is completely different to not offering you treatment. Do you go to your appointments by yourself or does your partner go with you? Are you on any treatment at all at the moment?

Sorry about bombarding you with questions, I just wish I could help you somehow. You are still active and doing heaps of stuff, I can't believe someone would say oh well, just wait.

I mean you could go on one of the old "sledgehammer" chemotherapy agents they k!ll everything so it's a tough treatment - they k!ll fast dividing cells so hair loss, gut problems etc but it also k!lls cancer cells. If you were offered it, went on it and then decided the side effects were too much, that would be your choice at least. As I said the lady I know with stage 4 ovarian cancer underwent 6 rounds of one of the older types, back at sport after a couple of weeks of completing treatment.

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Hi @Till23

No problem. I've been in the same position. That seemingly eternal struggle with our own self doubts and worth can get on top so quickly. It can just take time to get ourselves out of that spiral.

Don't worry about bombarding me with those questions, they're the same ones i've been continually asking myself since i got back from WA and started to process the situation. Through this whole ordeal since it started back in late 2022, the thing that has kept me going that while I was still stage 3 and feeling like i was relatively healthy I could just keep going easily enough. The treatments have had their effects and still do but nothing I can't deal with. I knew i'd end up at stage 4 eventually but i just hoped it was quite a while away. Now to be told I have to wait for it to become stage 4 before I can try anything else feels like the equivalent of being taken out the back behind a sheet and hearing the loading of a shotgun!

In my time of talking to others and learning about this, i've never heard of a situation like this! Everyone who is out of options has been through lots of chemo, and plenty of other things. To be at stage 3 and told "sorry, we have to just let is spread" seems just so insane and totally cruel to me. My GP and psychologist, and many other people i've spoken to seem equally puzzled. My mind is a mess and i have no idea on what i should do... if there is even anything i can.

I'm still on the ADT injections every 3 months and still on the antiandrogen tablets [edited by moderator]. I am now resistant to both and my PSA is currently doubling every 7-8 weeks. I also have very slight anemia with a slightly low platelet count. The Honk Kong oncologist I spoke to said that would mean I wouldn't tolerate the chemo very well at all, especially in the bone. I'm current on fortnightly B12 injections to try and get this count up into the normal range. But he did say that due to the aggressiveness shown, chemo isn't likely to be very effective. I'm not really sure if he just meant the standard chemo like [edited by moderator] or others as well. I just don't know, and no body really tells me anything unless i ask. Even then maybe i get an answer, maybe i dont. There's never much time and you have to know what questions to ask in that very limited time. By the time you've discussed the most pressing issues, you're being handed the forms and shown the door!

My partner comes with me to the oncologist appointments, which is a help. But i think we're just equally confused, stressed, and feeling discarded. We've been told so many hopeful things so far and none of them have gone as planned. So while i do know there are some glimmers of hope, they all rely on me just allowing the cancer to spread and then putting my hope than it only shows up in a small number of places or there's a trial, or whatever else there is to hope for. I just can't get my hopes up again, it's already been crushed so many times. I don't know how long this needs to go on before someone acknowledges that mine isn't following the normal rules and something different needs to be done. Nobody seems to have the time or desire to do this... or even sit down with me and talk about it. So like i said, I just dont know what do think or do at the moment. Letting it spread like this just terrifies me and it's exhausting getting through every day without the panic and depression overwhelming me. I never thought it was even possible that cancer treatment could go like this. Maybe i was a bit naive.

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@MJG017 I would highly suggest you seek another opinion.

Anyone can get as many "second" opinions as they like.

This might get edited out but, I'd suggest The Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre in Melbourne

I think you said your GP suggested looking in another state. Unfortunately because the population of SA is small there is just not the population to support having top experts in everything. It's the same for rural places, unfortunately you need to travel.

A second opinion will at least give you a bit more of an idea.

I reckon there is nothing worse than waiting. I have been waiting until today to find out my PET scan results. I have a new lymph node that has "lit" up in my lungs, but everything else is stable and there's possibly less activity at some of the known lymph nodes. I need to wait until I see the lung doctor to see what they think, as I only saw my GP today. I am not worried however.

It might be costly to go interstate, but if you weigh it against your current level of distress and frustration, it may very well be worth it.

I'm really sorry you are in this position. I know it's hard but maybe you need to be more assertive now.

Look forwsrd to hearing from you

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Thanks @Till23

I have an appointment with my GP on the 15th, so i'll talk to him about seeing if he can arrange a telehealth consult with someone from Peter Mac or somewhere like that. HE did say after he suggested I need to look interstate that he could arrange it like he did for the Hong Kong based rad onc.

I talked to my new physiologist (a cancer support specialist this time) about this, and a lot of other stuff... the appointment ended up being 2 hours! I told her than the mental state i'm in, I.m just not sure I have these extra fights in me. Especially ones that feel like I shouldn't need to be taking on. She understood and suggested that my GP seems to have been very proactive and supportive so far so offload some of this to him to reduce that load on myself. So I will try to ask him next week. I'm just so bad at these things! I usually chicken out in the moment. But things are getting (have gotten) desperate so I know I need to bring it up. Maybe I'll get lucky and he will make it easy buy bringing it up himself. One can hope. 😌 Me knowing how to be assertive is like someone from the Sahara knowing how to make an igloo!

Good luck with the lung doctor, hopefully this newly lit up lymph node is nothing to be too concerned about. I was thinking about how you seem so relaxed about it and all the waiting. Most people would be incredibly stressed and anxious. But then i put myself in that position and yes, the waiting is always hard, but you do get in a mindset after so much has happened than anything new is just another thing to throw on the pile. I think I've become a bit numb to it all. I feel like a next scan could reveal I had bowel cancer and I would just think to myself "okay, now I can race them to see which one gets me first!"

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Did you mean you saw a physiologist or a psychologist @MJG017 ?

And if it was a psychologist, is that at your hospital?

Yes it is easier to not speak out, but I think you've got to the stage where you sort of really need to, for both your physical and mental health.

The lung doctor appointment was fine, as I thought it would be, so I'm happy about that.

There is another area on PET scan at breast which says "malignancy not excluded", but it's around the area I had the surgery so it's most likely the surgery still healing. At first, I was surprised and a bit worried about it, but I've stopped that now and just need to wait a couple of weeks for mammogram and ultrasound that was already booked. I am going overseas to Italy for a sport event, then a short holiday in June and then I'll find out results of those two scans in July.

I see you had a good time at your support group [edited by moderator], I know it "wears off" after you get home, but try to hang on to those good times.

I felt good when I did a bit of work and was at my sport comp. I am in a slump for last few weeks, I don't know why, I have so many things to be grateful for, but I still don't seem to feel any happiness. Mother's Day will be a bit hard, it makes me feel like an outsider, not being a mother. I am the community ambassador for the Mother's Day Classic which is a walk or run for breast and ovarian cancer on Mother's Day morning, hopefully I can feel OK for doing that. Next week I am going to put my elderly dog down. It's so hard to know when is the right time. He is 16 and a half and is deaf, mostly blind, has heart failure, cushing's disease and arthritis. So those two things coming up are not joyous events for me. Hopefully I can look forward to the overseas trip after that.

Yes, that reminds me, I've got one of those bowel cancer test kits the government sends to do!

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Hi @Till23

Yes, it was a psychologist. I'm not sure what my fingers were thinking while smacking away at the keyboard. It's not at my hospital. I'd never use that service again! It's the main reason I gave up on psychologists until now. We had a psychologist as a guest speaker from a cancer support service called Lift at our support group latish last year. It was just after i had quit the old psychologist service in August last year and I listened to her and thought if I ever went to see a psychologist again, it would be someone who specializes in cancer like this speaker did. So when i knew I needed to speak to someone recently, I contacted Lift. It's not the cheapest, but with the MHCP visits it's not too bad. Plus I've had two visits so far for a total of just over 3.5 hours talk time so it feels like decent value for money... and it's been quite helpful.

I know i need to be more assertive and really need to push things now, but I know what i'm like and I can convince myself of what i'm going to say and do, but in the moment I chicken out. I've always been like that. But between the desperation of the situation and the fact i think i've improved in these more social areas recently, i'm hopeful when that moment comes, I will do what i need to do. I know it will still be a struggle to follow through with though, so i'm working hard in my lead up to the appointment on the 15th to try and make sure I do. I have a better understanding now of why i'm like this, but in this particular situation its a strong reminder of just how powerful those negative inner voices are still and how much harder i need to work on them. It's just not the mentally strongest time right now, so it sort of scares me that i will fail to do what I absolutely know i need to do. A big part of me is just hoping the GP brings it up himself and all I need to do is say "Yes please." after he suggests he can set up a tele-conference in his office with an interstate oncologist like he did with the Hong Kong based one.

Hopefully that spot on the PET scan is just nothing serious. The fact that it's in the location you has surgery would seem to suggest it's just healing from that. But I guess it's just instinct to think 'what if?'. I know when i had a suite of scans early last year when i was first referred to the oncologist, there was a spot on my right femur(?), just above my knee. He said it was likely nothing as the cancer usually spreads up not down so i was relatively calm about it, but i thought about it.

I forgot it's mother's day tomorrow. I really hate mother's day! Being adopted I've always found it very difficult. These days Father's day make me feel very isolated as well, because i would have loved to have had kids. Both are such massive reminders (like Christmas and birthday) that I don't really have the family and friends that most other people seem to have.

When I found my biological family about 3 years ago, my biological mother was in a nursing home in Canberra where my bio-sister lived. I'd spoken to them a bit and wanted to ring my mother on mothers day. I asked my sister as my mother was struggling with things like phones and didn't always know how to answer. So i asked when she would be there so I could ring then. I was so excited to talk to my mother on mother's day for the first time. My sister said she would ring me when she was there and I could speak to her. The day came and I waited and waited. I got a call later in the afternoon from my sister who said that they had just left and sorry, but she had forgotten to call me. I was so annoyed but i thought i've waited over 50 years, i could wait another year. Unfortunately she died in February the following year so I never got to do it. Luckily I did get to go over there later in that year (2022) to meet them before that happened. It was actually just after I had had that initial PSA test with my GP and was waiting to see them for the result when i got back. So things really went down hill for me after that trip. But so glad in hindsight that i did it when i did.

Do you know if you're doing Mother's Day Classic yet? Or still waiting to see how you feel at the time? I know it's frustrating to want to do things that we know may just be too difficult at times.. be it physically, or sometimes mentally. Although if i've committed to something, usually (so far) I can put the mental troubles aside a do what I said i would do. I really want to do the Walk for Him in men;s health week next month. But I also want to do the Long Run again in September for prostate awareness month. The trouble is I was surprised the few people I know were so generous last year for it, it seems a bit too much to even ask them again this year, but even hard to ask them for money in June, then again in September. So i've decided to just focus on The Long Run in September this year. I would ask your details so I could donate something to your walk/run but the rules here... I wish you all the best in it anyway, assuming you can do it. A hope you make it through the day without the occasion being to difficult.

I'm sorry to hear about you dog. It's such a hard thing to do! I imagine as tough as it is right now, the days after will be extremely difficult. I don't know... it's all just very hard. We're always here if you need to chat if you feel like it.

I got my bowel cancer screening test a couple of months ago. I still haven't got around to doing it. Part of it is because it's hard enough (no pun about to be intended) to pass anything hard enough to put the little stick into. The other is what's the worst that could happen... I find out i have cancer?! And i did have a stool test for a study I was involved in not too long ago.

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Hi @MJG017 I am being the community ambassador for Mother's Day Classic so I will be in the spotlight (which I hate) but it's a good cause. I will be cheering people on, maybe doing media and speaking about breast and ovarian cancer and what money raised will go to.

I have to get up at 5.30am, so will answer your post properly tomorrow

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Hi @MJG017 sorry I took so long to reply. It was a big day on sunday and was is the rain for like 5hrs, got completely soaked including my underwear 🤣

Anyhow hopefully what I did was helpful for the event,

Then I had to do social media in the afternoon for a bit

There was video of me on the local news (good grief) and my picture on a bit of social media (which I feel silly about, but I knew that would happen)

Monday I've been in a slump. I didn't go to table tennis. I was tired in morning. Not sure if my slump has got to do with being pretty busy lately, or just MH stuff (same old, same old).

When I read stuff I've posted on here I nearly always have to edit it, because I see I've made some ridiculous typo!

So are you saying you saw a special psychologist from oncology at your hospital and you didn't like them, or did you just see the normal MH service at the hospital?

My psycho-oncologist was brilliant from the cancer treatment hospital, there's a whole section of psychologist who only deal with oncology (there's only about 4 of them, but they are specialised in cancer). About $250 per session is pretty much what you pay around where I live for a clinical psychologist - so you are like $100 out of pocket each session if you use your MHCP. I can't pay the full amount when my MHCP runs out now I've stopped working. Not sure what I'll do, could go once a month I suppose.

GPs don't mind you bringing up things, they actually like patients who are active in their own health. It's the ones that don't take meds, stop smoking etc that they not as happy about. So I'm trying to reassure you to raise the possibility of interstate referral.

Oh wow it's nice you found your biological family and you ahd the chance to meet them. Overall are you happy that you managed to do that?

Yes, if I've said I'll do something then I virtually always do. I always went to work, always go to team things, always go to volunteering unless I'm physically sick - I kind of refuse to let my MH get in the way of things. I think giving my word about something means I'll do it. Sometimes I have missed individual things, like today I couldn't get to table tennis, but no one is relying on me being there.

Ooh I just saw you pop-up online so I'll post this and continue in a different post - there'll be typos because I haven't proof read 🤣

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