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Hi.
My brother is getting acutely unwell. Currently at home on bail. 32 yrs old living with my parents, I live next door with husband and 2 young girls.
Brother is not sleeping, paranoid, dilusional, manic, agitated,no respect or care, turning my parents home upside down, painting walls,setting up traps, making a fire pit ect.
Paranoid someone or something is going to break in.
Thinks my parents are setting him up and tricking him.
They forgot to lock the door the other night and when he finallly got some sleep and woke up in a panic yelling and swearing at my parents at 3am telling them off for not locking the door. Accused them of taking his lighter and switching his pockets.
What do we do.???how do we talk to him. ?
I'm worried when my parents are asleep. I'm starting to hate his behaviour. So desperate right now.????

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Hi @Hopeless. Pretending to swallow meds, then spit them out is a common occurrence with many MI patients. They then appear to behave normally so hospital staff believe they are co-operating. Unfortunately, if your mum or you tell the staff, your brother will then seem to swallow the meds to prove you wrong. He really is determined to 'behave' in order to be released. It seems to be a fight within a fight. You may have to try to get legal advise to see about having him sectioned for his own protection and yours. I realize that is rather drastic, but there are quite a few problems here. 1) Your brother is delusional, 2) He is refusing meds, 3) He has proved to be psychotic/dangerous/threatening you and family. If he is released your nightmare returns. Your mother is in a no-win situation, she is doing her best to stay on his good side, but she is not helping you, him or herself. May I ask her reaction to his news regarding spitting out the meds? I presume your brother was doing something to keep his behaviour normal. I really feel sorry for the ongoing battle you're having. Keeping ahead of someone who seems to know how to work the system is extremely tiring.

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I thought he was just saying he wasn't having meds to feel like he was in control... but really he was. I just don't know.
Can he really be able to trick the system and us this well?
He ended up in high dep because his behaviour became acute again. I dont understand.
When he told mum he hadn't taken meds, I told the social worker the next day. She reckons he had been seen as though his state changed. But how did he act so calm for 1 wk and then not all of a sudden?

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Hi @Hopeless. I would like to think the hospital would be one jump ahead, but it is hard to comment. If we take meds continuously, our behaviour pattern becomes 'level'. If we go without meds for a couple of days, then take them, then stop, over time, our behaviour becomes erratic. While he was taking the meds, his behaviour was calm, making staff believe he was rational. Once he started taking, stopping, then taking, his behaviour would've changed, making him irrational and fighting to appear rational. He is actually fighting himself more than you or the 'system'. It's possible the social worker queried his claim about not taking the meds, then lying. Hopefully she would've been watching to see his reaction to her queries. Under pressure, his demeanour would've changed, he possibly showed some symptoms of delusional behaviour. It's highly possible he believes he fooled everybody, he sounds extremely devious too. I'm sorry if that remark hurts but when someone wants to get away from a situation they're not in control of, they tend to use every trick they know. Lying, pretending, is part of their delusion that they believe, you believe. He is used to getting his own way, so all he did was continue his behaviour.

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I actually agree. So where is the hope. Is he unwell or are we being fooled? Now I'm not so sure!!
But he has had this hold over us forever. Always making us second guess ourselves.
Surely 8 in the family who all think the same about 1 who seems now quite wright?
Have we been wrong?

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Hi @Hopeless. Your brother has total control over you not himself. He has you running around in circles trying to stay one jump ahead. Your poor mum is beside herself wanting to be there, feeling guilty because he's now in hospital. I would therefore suggest, you suggest (gently) to your mum that, if your brother is to leave the hospital, it's on the proviso that he lives somewhere else. Try to explain to mum, that if he returns home, she will once again take responsibility for everything instead of him being responsible for himself. The way it has been your mum has accepted all responsibility, in order for him to become well, he has to own his illness and accept he needs professional help. Your mum's health has suffered, everyone has suffered except your brother who has put all of you in the 'driver's' seat. If he lives alone, he and he alone assumes complete responsibility. Distance is the best answer. It won't be easy, but re-programming mum to accept she has done her best, is essential, now it's up to him. None of you failed him, he failed himself then conveniently blamed you. You can break the hold, but you and family are the only ones who can, your brother won't, why should he?

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Unfortunately I have already tried and suggested he be out on his own. Mum thinks he may end up a druggie on the streets or worse if she lets him live alone. Even as I write this I know how enabling she is being to him and it frustrates me. She seems to also admit, having him home with same behaviour would be better than him being on the streets. She must be dilusional also!!!
She says he called her last night. Talked a lot and quite fast but he seemed to apologise about his behaviour on sat night when she visited. He is also under the impression he is coming home today because he is starting injections, however this is not what we were told. We are still u der the impression it will be Thursday st the earliest (hopefully longer than that)!! Like I've said in earlier posts, mum will be our undoing. If he starts the injections well atleast this is one bit of help for him that we havnt had before. !!!

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Hi @Hopeless

So glad you have had @pip walking along with you, It is Important that you know you are not alone. Others will be reading your posts as well, but most people won't want to step forward if they are inexperienced with this sort of battle and don't really know what to say. That doesn't mean they are not empathising with you.

Our private battle is with my husband and an eating disorder. We have a few simple parallels - his mother is enabling him, he is disguising the ed behaviours so well as to not appear unwell, and make my accusations appear to be just that - accusations, and he becomes emotionally aggressive when any of us (we have five adult children, 2 married) go near the boundaries he has set in place. As long as we all play nicely along with his set-up, we have peace enough in our home to function, but meantime he is deteriorating behind the screen.

Last year his behaviour had broken bounds and we were trying to get him to help. While he only touched on throwing things and slamming drawers etc, he was becoming delusional, and very emotionally erratic and emotionally abusive to try to control us into submission to his will. Rather than going further along those descriptions, I will say tthat we eventually backed down. Our doctor had supported my hubby in his weight loss, and refused to accept anything was wrong, taking intervention against me when I tried to flag them not only to his problem, but to our family distress. The law protects all of them, and not us ....

Part of his illness is OCD type behaviours, and a focus on security. We are living with tracked phones and cameras set up inside and outside of the home.

Our passive acceptance of the ed has made our home-life liveable. I have contact d support services around him, who have agreed ther is nothing more we can do except hold this status quo as long as we are able to, while he either declines to the point of health collapse, or begins to wake up to the fact that he is ill and in peril. It's a heart-breaking game of charades ....

The point I want to make is that we have had to learn to pull back on our compassion .... at least reserve a whole lot of it for ourselves .... our welfare is as paramount as his. You need to self-care and find ways to disengage from the immediate problems while you have the support of medicos and hospital facilities because all of this will be draining on your body systems. You need to heal and restore yourselves .... and accept that there are some things you can't make a difference with through constant worry. That has been my hardest lesson to learn. I wasn't a highly anxious person, but I have a high level of natural compassion which means that in an anxiety-producing circumstance, I am in that hyper-vigilant state of turning things over in my mind, searching for solutions and trying to keep it all contained. I am hearing the same in you.

It's certainly not easy, but you need to learn to manage your compassionate responses, to allow self-compassion a greater voice, and withdraw some of the compassion you spend in your brother's direction so you don't burn out by living his experiences vicariously. I feel so much for my husband, but this has been going on for around six years for us now, and I have learned to engage enough to feel for him, but disengage enough that I don't crumble under the weight of living his emotions for him.

I have no idea how our situation will pan out. In your descriptions I can see possibilities of what is ahead for us if / when my husband is finally diagnosed .... if he is admitted to hospital in denial he will be a nightmare to try to treat or contain. He is very intelligent and manipulative. We have had a taste of the emotional abuse he is capable of. Your experiences and @pip's responses are helping to prepare me I think. I can't thank you enough for being here and being prepared to talk about your feelings this way. Eventually you will be the "pip" helping to guide others forward through the turmoil .... but in this moment, please be careful to care as much for yourself as you are for everybody else. Find ways to take time out from this problem that can otherwise take up your whole life and your whole view.

Walking along with you ...

🌷💜 F&H

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Wow thankyou faith and hope. Thankyou for sharing your story and helping me see a little clearer. U are right in every way and I will certainly try. I think I'm ready to take a little step back. I'll be supportive in my own way.
Just got news he comes home on Thursday. The outcome is good. Community treatment order.
I'll let mum and dad do what they think is right. I'll leave the taking it out up to the professionals. Time will heal for all I hope.

All the best to you in your situation. Your actually an inspiration and I have learnt from you today.

Feeling a little less hopeless 😌

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So good to hear @Hopeless ..... 💕

It can be hard to know sometimes whether discussing your own situation will be helpful or not .... but I know I learn so much hearing about how others walk their walk and the things they have learned along the way ....

It keeps positives on the table, in my perspective.

Go gently. Take care ....

🌷💜

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Hi @Hopeless. I would just like to take this opportunity to wish you and your family all the best for what I hope isn't too rocky. Keep in mind, there will be 'up's and 'downs', along the way. The downs could be quite intense, hopefully the ups will more than compensate for the downs. I think your decision to 'step back' is a good one. Try not to accept guilt for whatever happens. Remember, we're here if and as you need us.
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