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First Job Application In 2 Years

First Job Application In 2 Years

Hi all. 🙂

For 20-odd years I worked as an electrical engineer and technical writer. The stress and long hours were great for someone like me with bipolar - I could cope very well...

Until I would crash and burn into a major depression, that is...

For 20 years I repeated the same pattern - hypomanic high for about 2 years, then depression for about 6 months, hardly able to leave my darkened bedroom...

Repeat until life gets totally screwed up by a 2 year long depression and failed marriage (which finally led to diagnosis and treatment).

I've hardly worked in 5 years. Perhaps 5 or 6 weeks of technical writing (it's been dead since the global financial crisis) and a couple of months of bar work, pulling beers and making cocktails...

I was on Newstart for a year or so. I have a special hatred for how heartless the Centrelink system can be, how terrible it makes you feel. During that time, I applied for over 200 jobs. I did all in my power, but achieved exactly nothing... only 5 or 6 bothered to even send me an automated rejection email. The rest? A vast deafening silence, so that I never knew if my job applications were good, bad or indifferent. It was brutal...

I had to sell my house. When I converted the bricks and mortar to dollars in the bank, my Centrelink problems went away - no more support, and thankfully no more rubbish of theirs to deal with...

I've been self-funding my unemployment for 2 years now, travelling around Oz in a motorhome with my lovely partner.

But reality awaits. The party (and the money) never lasts forever. The rolling wheels have to stop sometime.

So, I've applied for a job. First time in 2 years. There's a bad taste in my mouth from my previous experiences, but I hope it will be different this time. The job is perfect for me - suits my experience and skills 100 percent.

It's a full time position. I haven't worked one of those since 2006. For 10 years, I've been doing contract consulting work through my own business.

I've learnt a lot about my bipolar in the past 4 years... I believe I'm ready...

Hugs and happy vibes beaming to you all... 🙂

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Hi @Silenus

sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't see you as different as you think that you are, and as you are making out here.

I am just saying what I think in my head about what you write which may and may not be correct. What I say here makes sense to me but is not necessarily right.

You are a very intelligent, very empathetic and very nice fellow; but you do suffer with mood swings, just like me. In our world we call these mood swings Bipolar II, or cyclothymia in our case, a kind of light form of bipolar, or BipolarLight.

These mood swings, BipolrLight, Cyclothymia, or whatever we want to call it, can suggest to you that you are different, so different that you cannot possibly fit in. Is this really true? Or is this what your mind is telling you? Is it correct or is it distortion?

That is for you to find out but, in my personal experience, after having learned that BipolarLight is useful and it has a positive sides to it, as we both have discovered, comes this other hurdle and that is to think that we are so different that we cannot fit in. This is common in people with BipolarLight and is probably part of the bit of grandiosity with which people like us can suffer and I say this without intention to offend. It affects me as well.

Problem is that there are many like us out there so that we are probably not as unique as our mind would have us believe.

For example, I don't see the difference you see in you. Again I could be mistakes, sure.

We are marginal people because we are able to see the stupidity of humanity and how the world could be better. BUt there are many that see this now, and have seen it in the past. For everything there is a reason because, if everything was perfect, what would be the point in even trying? In living? In struggling? If everything was perfect, the world would be absolutely boring, and we probably would not enjoy anything.

Life is a challange and, like Pirate suggested, we need to fight. Fight is a must but it must be done strategically, with courage, with will, with energy.

Perhaps it is your depressive moods speaking here. At our age it is difficult to find a job, Silenus, but it does not mean that we are not useful. To the contrary, we are probably more useful than we think. We may not work formally and may not get money for what we do, but we are contributing greately just by expressing our ideas. You are doing your bit here.

That is your challenge: are you really as unique as your mind is telling you that you are? Or have I got a point in saying that you are not as unique as you think that you are? That is for you to find out, SIlenus, and I know that you are an extremely smart person. But here is the challenge, so that if you want to list everything that makes you think that you are so different, then we can discuss it rather than you coming to this conclusions on your own 🙂 They say, they say: four eyes is better than two 🙂 Two minds are better than one. 🙂 Many minds can help a person find wisdom and the truth.

In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, we are more common than we like to believe, more common than our BipolarLight makes us believe. There are many like us out there and maybe you are not looking in the right places.

Forgive spelling and grammatical mistakes, this was written at great speed and I hope it makes some sense. In other words, beware of what your Bipolar mind may want you to think. Just like Depression, it can be a Monster sometimes. It is nothing to underestimate. It can be a MMMMMMMMMonster with a major capital M. The bipolar Monster exsists and it can cause havoc.

Let me know what you think if you can. If not that is fine as well. You know me by now, SIlenus, I am always putting a spanner in the works but I hope that it is for a good reason.

But I tend to think, and again I am not necessarily right, that it is precisely this idea that you are so different that is putting out a negative energy out there in the universe, that may prevent you from getting a job.

You are humble, Silenus, but your BIpolarLight is in the way here. You are too much of a terrific fellow for me not to tell you this because, in my own very strange way, I care for you and look up to you many times.

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Thanks so much @Former-Member - yeah, I've been working on setting myself up as a desktop publisher, proof reader, technical writer, and anything and everything in between... with fairly limited real world success...

I'm still happy with my skills and abilities. It's just difficult to care enough about this mundane world to actually pretend to pursue all this "success" and "career" stuff... it means totally nothing to me... I don't see value or worth in such directions...

I'll find a suitable paying job in due course... on the periphery of society, as per usual...

Huge hugs beaming your way, @Former-Member

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Hi @theaveragejoe 🙂

It is always a pleasure to interact with you. You gave me many precious gifts of wisdom when I was first starting my journey of mental health and self discovery on the BlueBoard forum. For that, you have my eternal gratitude...

Alas, my dear friend, I must make something clear to you... wink... don't worry, it's nothing bad... but...

I don't let on how "different" my form of world visualisation and thinking is...

I don't reveal how far I go...

Krishnamurti... he's my man. [Taps heart]

I read his words, and they were already mine all along...

I go so far as to challenge all of society...

I ask the question of society - why do you think you are right and I am wrong? Why all this judging?

Hahaha... it's always complicated... these Si rambles... revealing much... sqwaae... shhhhhh Cyril... hahaha...

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I challenge...

I challenge society...

I challenge the supposed necessity of money as an actual valid value system...

I say tear up the concept of money, and instead make it about Love and Compassion...

I challenge society... the one that locks asylum seekers up, and devolves it into a matter of politics rather than a matter of humanity...

I stand alone...

I appraise...

I observe...

I see "what is" in the Tolle kinda Now way...

It's a beautiful place of personal empowerment...

I stand alone, and in so doing, I am united with everyone else who is standing here alone...

Together, we make this life journey mean something, for ourselves and for each other... and that's damn special... the bonds through adversity that we create are life changing and transforming...

I salute you one and all, united as we are in our "individual" struggles...

From struggles come huggles...

Luv yer gutzes, peeps...

Gonna apply hypo high gentle brake mode into ObSeSsIvE cOmPuLsIvE dIsOrDeR ordered near-perfection... always falling short, but that's where art resides...

Soft landing guaranteed...

Hugz... 🙂

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Thank you @Silenus

in my honours thesis I studied the Gift Economy and wrote a thesis about it. I looked at the alternatives to Capitalism and studied people who create alternative systems where, as you say, money was eliminated or non existent and, instead, the Gift exchange was the way of life.

I read about the gift trying to see if the gift alone was enough but, as I discovered, gifts are not just gifts that we give away. With every gift there is an obligation of some sort.

Even volunteers may volunteer not just because they care for people but also because they want some attention, recognition and to feel valuable in society. There is always a selfish intention, even in the most altruistic gestures.

You see, after reading hundreds of books, articles, and stories, I realized that money per se is not the problem in our society. The real problem is greed, selfishness and human nature.

We may get rid of the money as a form of exchange, but we will not get rid of the greed and selfishness.

Even you and I may think of ourselves as capable to live in a society without money, where we care about each other and we live in harmony. But that is a dream Silenus, it cannot happen because our human nature is not developed enough, or adequately enough, to permit this kind of life.

Unfortunately, even you and I would fail and would probably show our greed and selfishness. Even you and I are not ready to live is such an ideal world.

This idea that we are so different from the rest is useful in that it can lead to very creative material things and ideas, it can propel creativity and ingenuity. It can be a useful belief to be so very different., But is it true or is it a distortion due to our mental condition? This idea that we are very different from other people is a characteristic of Bipolar Disorder. There is not one person with Bipolar that I know who does not feel very different from the rest.

You say to me that you hide most of your difference to fit in. But difference compare to what? Most people are never themselves and put on a mask so that we can never know them. Most people act as if they were robots of capitalism, human robots that comply to social programs and ideology. But deep inside they are not that way, that is just a front, a mask.

Billy Joel once wrote a song called The Stranger. There is always a Stranger in us. The real difference between people is the amount of wisdom, experience, ideas and beliefs that have developed in their mind.

We are all the same, Silenus, only that some develop better than others, some are able to see the Light, while others fumble in the dark. But we all have the same mental abilities deep down. Some use more of these mental power, some use less.

Perhaps one great difference for us sufferers with a mental disorder is that because of the past trauma we have not had a chance to mature properly and the child continues to create problems for us.

If you can get your hands on this book 'I'M OK YOU'RE OK' it will explain in more detail how the child can remain dominant into adulthood, especially if bipolar disorder is present.

In conclusion, my impression of you, SIlenus, is of a person that has been able to develop great intelligence, a person who is critical of the world and of himself. This is terrific, you are far ahead of many in terms of road to recovery.

What was probably stopping me from going further, as it was indeed my case, is the idea of being so different that I could not possibly fit in, that I had to pretend and be someone else in front of people. Try and let go of this somehow destructive idea. Think of yourself as one of many. We may have subtle differences but we are all human, all struggling to become a better race, all contributing to improvements but all similar in our capabilities. It is when I begun to see myself as many not one that I was able to really get on the recovery road and make huge progress. There is nothing wrong with fitting in and we do fit in in many ways, unless we let the bipolar voice tell us otherwise and believe it. It is a mirage, this bipolar voice is trying to make us believe something that is not there.

Look at all of the ideas, all of the artworks, books, writings, inventions. Aren't these amazing? They come from people like us who once thought that they were so very different from the rest. Yes we are different in that we have a mental disorder but not so different that we cannot fit in. We can and need to strive to fit in. The world was really made for us if we find a nice perspective from where to see this. We need this perspective because we know, deep down, that we would never be happy, not ever, with any system of social organization. Our human nature is such that we are stuck here at this time.

When you are your full self, no doubt that some will judge you and criticize you for being a bit different, for not comforming to the norms. Don't make these people happy by hiding. They may have affected your thinking in the past in making fun of you, but they were wrong. Don't honour their mistakes, be your full self. That is because they do not have the courage to be their ful and honest self. Many hide behind the mask, have a problem with transparency, and are often afraid to get closer to the truth. But just as many would criticize you, many would respect you and value you. I would value the real SIlenus.

You are a super cool person, Silenus, very smart, intelligent, compassionate, full of knowledge and entertaining. Quite special in this sense.

But no fear, you are human, 100% human and, in this sense, not as different as you think. There are many artists, scientists, writers and interesting people out there and you are one of these terrific people. But don't feel so different that you have to give up on life and just accept yourself as a Martian on Earth, or a Fish out of water. Do you know how many people with Bipolar and other mental disorders feel this way? Most probably the majority of people here on this forum.

We are different in our similarities and similar in our difference. We are many not one and we belong to the human race. We have a right to be here, we are children of the universe. And there is a specific reason for our life. We are just where we are meant to be, and we are learning useful lessons.

I learn everyday from my fellow humans and in this sense I am not that different from them.

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Si, I'm over here from BlueBoard. It's helpful to read your ponderings. I had a temp job and they offered me a continuation. I took the job and ended up bullied. It was affecting my MH so I resigned. I've had some hard weeks, and reading your words about value beyond a 9-5 helps. I have no idea how to make it all work for me, but it gives me a tiny spark of hope. Thanks, believeinme

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Thanks @theaveragejoe and @believeinme

Workplace bullying is a silly thing. It's a continuation of little children in the school yard, and people need to grow up and be sensible adults instead of just ignorantly passing their own pain onto others...

I am sorry you were bullied, @believeinme - it can take a terrible toll on our MH. It's an unneeded stress...

Sending hugs and happy vibes...

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Well, I finally received word from my first job application in 2 years...

[Si grabs a snare drum and rolls it down the hill...]

...a lovely rejection email...

Ah well, lots more jobs to apply for... at least they were polite enough to send an email...

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That's a bummer @Silenus
Better luck next time eh?
Have a good one!

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You betcha, @Kurra

Onwards... 🙂
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