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Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

Hi all....

I reduced my antipsychotic dose on Monday night. My psychiatrist said I could when I saw her late last month. I waited a week & a bit as finances were extra stressful.... I had extra of my benzodiazpine last night. My psychiatrist approved an increase of the dose of benzodiazpine, but I haven't needed much extra yet. I slept half of today (unusual for me lately) & then my partner got me out of the cabin & to a cafe. So far I just feel slightly more anxious & a feeling of detachment. I asked my partner how I seemed & he said "despondent". Last year I reduced the antipsychotic dose twice: the first time I remember an increase in paranoia & anxiety plus irritability. The 2nd time I was extremely anxious & irritable. That happened in the first half of the year. In the 2nd half I was hospitalised twice for a total of 2 months. I had some psychotic symptoms (I did even on maximum dose), but the main issue was the antidepressant I had been taking since 2012 started to give me more frequent & disturbing vivid nightmares, which were often ptsd related. It is a common listed side effect of that medication to get vivid dreams. Therefore, I withdrew of that & tried the newest antidepressant on the market, but experienced persistent nausea. That meant that I had then tried all the newer generation antidepressants - some more than once. I tried a tricyclic, one of the newer generation again & a maoi. I decided to try a mood stabiliser I had been on before on a low dose. Now I am just on the mood stabiliser ~ no antidepressant. The dose is the typical dose for depression. It took about 4.5 months to feel like it was helping or "working" ~ although it may have been placebo effect, time & yoga practice that actually helped. Anyhow, I am back on track now to be able to reduce my medications. I found the psychiatrist who is helping me by googling "holistic psychiatrist" ~ my partner rang the practice & the receptionist suggested my doctor instead of the one I found online. From the beginning I made it clear that I wanted to reduce my medications. She has been mostly supportive, but at times has tried to increase dosages & wanted me to have ect. I have had to be assertive & determined ~ a hard ask at times when I have been extremely suicidal. I have read research that found long term use of antidepressants increases episodes of depression & long term use of antipsychotics increases episodes of psychosis. Also lots of research on benzodiazpines causing anxiety & depression plus addiction. The research is convincing & I'm tired of the side effects. I have now found a psychologist who specialises in cbt for psychosis. I feel if I can get through these difficult withdrawals I will be able to manage my mental illnesses & live more fully. My partner & even my psychiatrist have said I am more alive now.

This is my journey ~ I'm not trying to convince others to go off their medication... I just want support & people to know I'm not doing it because I am okay, but doing it to become more okay ~ if that makes sense...

Please talk about anything in here. I just need a thread without religon, which is triggering to me.

Namaste,

Anna

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

Congrats on head stand. There was a time I worked slowly up to them .. but too tricky now ... I imagine you upside down.. the world does look different that way ...

My mother had NO concept of my emotional needs or my closest sibs.. she just couldnt go there or admit that she could not..

We all had to pull our weight as children to get our basic physical needs met. I am learning to respect that I do have feelings and thats ok .. A music teacher recently said I was very sensitive and meant it which was reassuring to know.

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

Hi everyone. I'm currently feeling very low too. I was recently put on a magnificent drug, an old one, that totally rejuvenated my thoughts and well being. I felt alive for the first time in years, but unfortunately it seemed to cause a drug induced hepatitis and I had to go off it. I'm still having regular blood tests to make sure my liver enzymes are returning to normal. Of course, I have to be on medication to relieve (or at lest try to relieve) some of my symptoms, so they put me back on my old one which isn't really doing anything and at a higher dose too. Yesterday the team added another anti-psychotic to the mix. Fearing I may not take the new medication, my GP asked the chemist to make sure I had a dose before leaving his chemist shop, which I did. I felt no effect from it at all, despite it being a fairly powerful anti-psychotic. Last night I took my usual dose of the usual medication and went to bed 20-30 minutes later. I no sooner lay down than I developed restless leg syndrome which has been slightly present since going to the higher dose of the main medication, but nothing like this. It was terrible and persisted for at least two hours, however I did sleep well once I eventually fell asleep.

At the moment, it all seems to be trial and error and I'm getting pretty sick of all the chopping and changing of meds. The GP rang today (she's very caring, but unfortunately going on maternity leave from today) and decided to alter the medication regime yet again. Less of the main meds and more of the new meds at bedtime. All I can do is give it a go and report back to the MH team on Monday when I see my case manager. I just get so frustrated, as I'm sure you all do, that nothing seems to be a perfect fit. I've often seen stories of how people with MI spend literally years looking for that perfect combination of meds that puts them on an even keel, but so few ever seem to find it!!

Anyway, to everybody who's struggling with issues related to medication, keep trying to do your best because if you give up, then nothing will be gained. It's hard to put your mental health in somebody else's hands, but unfortunately the system isn't perfect, nor is the medication and so few seem to be in that "sweet zone." I fall into despair at times when I see the Government of the day pulling funding for mental health and wonder if life's worth living, but I still hold hope for a better future and hopefully a better future for all of you too.

Well, enough of my rambling. Hope you all enjoy a lovely weekend.

Kind regards, Ellie.

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

thanks @Ellie

I just had blood tests to see whats ahppening with my medication.........

thinking of you.......please stay in contact re; your days and how your coping.

Im falling in bed right now

Anne or PP

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

number two......

Many cases of BPD are initially misdiagnosed as depression or bipolar disorder and are treated with antidepressants or mood stabilizers.9,10 This

nejm.org may 26, 2011

Table 1. Criteria for the Diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder.

Five or more of the following criteria must be met:

Interpersonal hypersensitivity

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment

A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships, character- ized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

Affective dysregulation

Affective instability because of a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety, usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

Chronic feelings of emptiness Impulsivity

Impulsive behavior in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending money, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, b....... eating)

Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats or self-mutilating behavior Other factors

Identity disturbance with markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self

Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

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Whereas BPD has long been considered a chronic and largely untreatable disorder, more re- cent data indicate a high remission rate (about 45% by 2 years and 85% by 10 years), with remission defined as no more than two diagnostic criteria being met for at least 12 months, and a low re- lapse rate (about 15%).20 In other respects, how- ever, the prognosis remains discouraging. The suicide rate is about 8 to 10%, which is particu- larly high for young women, in whom the suicide rate is typically low. Moreover, even after remis- sion, most patients with BPD have severe func- tional impairment, with only about 25% of pa- tients employed full time and about 40% receiving disability payments after 10 years.20 In addition, BPD negatively affects the course and treatment of coexisting medical conditions21,22 and other psy- chiatric disorders.23,24

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

Sorry @Former-Member This is half of the diagnosis but I dont want to send more on your thread. I thought that it was okay for the threads title; support needed and I'm sending @Ellie something while shes under a messy time.

@Former-Memberhow are you? My husband is very comprimised these days. We live in public housing and there is some goings on happening upstairs. I do not think that it would be different where he used to live but this is what I'm coping with;

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...


Dear @Ellie

NUMBER ONE FORM;

I forgot to delete something...the medication perscribed .......


I've been trying to work out how to send this to you. You asked for this copy from my Psychotherapist when you first joined; a good printout of a diagnosis for BPD. I wrote to you about how to get it but.....my slow understanding of the computer techniques ...I must always take into consideration whenever I say...oh cool,,,,I've got information on that!!
So, this is it. Without the pretty different colours that make a paper look so pretty.
Then there is second in a following post....please bear with me while I send it :0)

PP
The new england journal of medicine clinical practice
Borderline Personality Disorder
John G. Gunderson, M.D.
This Journal feature begins with a case vignette highlighting a common clinical problem. Evidence supporting various strategies is then presented, followed by a review of formal guidelines, when they exist. The article ends with the author’s clinical recommendations.
A26-year-old woman is brought to the emergency room by an anxious-looking man who explains that she became angry and suicidal, stat- ing that her “life had no value” and that she would “like to end it all” after he criticized her. Her history includes five previous emergency room visits (twice involving self-inflicted cuts that required sutures) and two psychiatric hospitaliza- tions after overdoses. Adolescent adjustment reaction and major depressive disorder have been diagnosed in the past, and she has been treated with certain meds.. How should she be evaluated and treated?
The Clinical Problem
Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is present in about 6% of primary care pa- tients1 and persons in community-based samples and in 15 to 20% of patients in psychiatric hospitals and outpatient clinics.2 In clinical settings, about 75% of per- sons with the disorder are female, although this percentage is lower in community- based samples.3,4 Patients with BPD usually enter treatment facilities after suicide attempts or after episodes of deliberate self-injury.5 Such episodes result in an average hospital stay of 6.3 days per year and nearly one emergency room visit every 2 years, rates that are 6 to 12 times those among patients with a major depressive disorder.6,7
Table 1 summarizes the criteria for the diagnosis of BPD, according to the Di-
agnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition. Recurrent suicidal
threats or acts, when combined with fears of abandonment, are by themselves strong-
ly indicative of the diagnosis.8 Though these signature criteria make BPD easy to
recognize, the diagnosis is often underused.9,10 A major reason for this is the per-
ception that the recurrent crises, emotional volatility, and self-injurious behavior that
characterize patients with BPD are willful and manipulative episodes rather than
11,12
genetic factors13,14 — rates in the same range as those reported for hypertension.15 All the major components of the disorder (e.g., interpersonal hypersensitivity, affec- tive dysregulation, and impulsivity) have likewise been shown to track in families.14 Studies involving the use of magnetic resonance imaging or positron-emission to- mography in patients with BPD have shown a hyperresponsive amygdala and im- paired inhibition from the prefrontal cortex during tasks involving exposure to facial expressions, reactions to emotionally charged words, and interpersonal coopera- tion.16-18 There is evidence that neurohormones, such as oxytocin and opioids, medi- ate the exaggerated fears of rejection and abandonment that are characteristic of BPD.19 Environmental influences also appear to be important in the pathogenesis of the disorder; insecure attachment, childhood neglect or trauma, and family marital or psychiatric problems are recognized risk markers.2
n engl j med 364;21 nejm.org may 26, 2011
From the Psychosocial and Personality Research Program, McLean Hospital, Belmont, MA. Address reprint requests to Dr. Gunderson at the Psychosocial and Personality Research Program, McLean Hospital, 115 Mill St., Belmont, MA 02478, or at jgunderson@mclean.harvard.edu.
N Engl J Med 2011;364:2037-42.
Copyright © 2011 Massachusetts Medical Society.
An audio version of this article
is available at NEJM.org
signs of an illness.
BPD is significantly heritable, with 42 to 68% of the variance associated with
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The New England Journal of Medicine
Downloaded from nejm.org at WESTERN AUSTRALIA DEPT OF HEALTH on June 21, 2011. For personal use only. No other uses without permission. Copyright © 2011 Massachusetts Medical Society. All rights reserved.
The new england journal of medicine
Strategies and Evidence
Diagnosis
The most distinctive characteristics of patients with BPD are their hypersensitivity to rejection and their fearful preoccupation with expected abandonment (Table 1).30 Patients with the dis- order feel that their lives are not worth living unless they feel connected to someone they be- lieve really “cares,” yet their perception of “car- ing” generally involves unrealistic levels of avail- ability and validation. Within such relationships, an initial idealization can dramatically shift to devaluation when rejection is perceived. In addi- tion to this external “splitting,” patients with BPD typically have internal splitting (i.e., vacillation between considering oneself a good person who has been mistreated, in which case anger pre- dominates, and a bad person whose life has no value, in which case self-destructive or even sui- cidal behavior may occur). This splitting is also evident in black-and-white or all-or-nothing di- chotomous thinking.
BPD is usually diagnosed in young adulthood, but signs of it often become evident in adoles- cence.31 Early markers include body-image prob- lems, severe shame, the search for exclusive re- lationships, extreme sensitivity to rejection, and behavioral problems, including deliberate self- harm.32 Although these phenomena may occur in adolescents without BPD, their presence is predictive of long-term social disability and an increase in the risk of adult BPD by a factor of nine.31
The diagnosis of BPD is most easily estab- lished by asking patients whether they believe that the criteria for the disorder characterize them. Clinical experience suggests that by par- ticipating in the diagnosis, patients with BPD may be more likely to accept it. Although clinicians who think of a BPD diagnosis as pejorative (chronic and untreatable) may be reluctant to disclose it,8,12 patients and their families often find it helpful to be informed of the diagnosis. Such disclosure frames treatment plans, estab- lishes reasonable expectations, and may improve compliance.33 Clinical experience suggests that patients and their families are often relieved to learn that there are other people with similar symptoms and that there are effective treatments.

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

My poor husband was threatened last night by a neighbour for him doing nothing wrong…the person kicked in our back gate.

WE live in public housing and a person who just got out of jail was using drugs and threatening my husband.

My neighbour and friend lives above us is VERY ILL and the Federal Government will not put her on disability and oh………the poor woman gets support from all the wrong places……for extra food and well, she’s just been diagnosed so…lets hope that something can happen now.

Yes, we support her as much as we can but there is only so much we can do.

I'm taking her back to hispital next week but the last action is intolerable.

We havent been able to do anything for a few weeks, remember I was concerned about her daughter's children? Well, that also went belly up and fortunately, she, my friend, treated her the best way she could, with my husband's help.......her daughter was using. There is definate hidden and undiagnosed issues there.....but it feels so so sad........

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

It begins to make me feel that these issues will never be addressed because of where they are;

people sufferering so so much

But yesterday, it came into our home. I just feel like crying.

This morning, I went upstairs and spoke to someone who knows the person who knocked our back gate in. I said,

I completely recognise that ....I cannot imagine the racism and terrible things that have happened in his life but we have only shown acceptance and we do not deserve for our back gate to be kicked in. We did not report him but tell him he has to ......... off until he is ready to say sorry and move on

These place are making me feel they are an Enclave for people suffering times of mental ill health

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

Sorry if I am intruding Anne,

It sounds like you and hubby need to take some time out from seeing these people, it is tough and by the sounds of it you are a wonderful support to them, but violence should never be tolerated.

You and hubby's MH should be number one, you sound very shake up please don't put yourself in harms way, it is up to the lady to reach out for help, I know you have been really good to her buying groceries from memory. But if it is affecting you or hubby it might be time to cool things off a bit.

Thinking of you my friend please be gentle with yourself and hubby.

Jacques

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Re: Support needed, support given ~ no religon or politics please...

@Jacques I so needed to hear what you wrote......

My poor poor neighbour just got home and saw the gate. There has been so many problems here in the past few weeks. The good thing for us is

They have nothing to do with us.

We have shut the door on most of them.......yesterday, we had our back gate open and back door open.

A neighbour who live a few units down......has been harrassing a poor elderly lady who I usually go to to clean her home but she is far too overwhelmed to deal with it. I spoke to someone yesterday about how shes going.

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