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@Former-Member ..... it feels like the mods are "popping in" less often ..... as in joining conversations on threads.

Are the forums much busier now at your end than they were ?

Are the longer-term mods less available ?

I think the convo on Riding a Wave thread is about a sense that the dynamics have changed, without being able to understand why that might be.

My first thought is whether it's circumstantial ..... transition changes ..... everyone is just busy behind the scenes and unconscious of the surface affect (or lack of usual affect) ?

Is it okay to tag you and other mods into threads for a chat with us ? Of course we don't know your shifts to be able to know who is on at any one time .....

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Hi @Former-Member,

Thank you for taking the time to write such a long post. I understand that you are going to write a second post regarding the HC. I just want to make sure that the following points are addressed:

  • Were any people with lived experience consulted in the planning stage of how the change in hours should be navigated?
  • Was this change considered within a trauma-informed framework?

I personally have no issue at all with the fact that the evenings are now being shared amongst more than two moderators. From my perspective, the issue is that the new moderators are not engaging with the Forum community. As you point out, the evening moderators are now working from the HC with a team around them, rather than working remotely. Thus, you seem to be saying the situation has improved. However, I'd rather have an engaged moderator working from a physical office seperate to the HC, than have a disengaged moderator working from within the HC. Their physical location is of no relevance to me at all - that is the wonder of cyberspace. To me it is much more important how they engage IN Forum Land, rather than where in Australia they happen to be sitting in front of a computer.

You say that it is ok to tag moderators. Do you mean it is ok to tag them by name or to use the @ moderator function? A major part of what happened on Thursday night was that I was told it was unreasonable for me to expect a moderator to appear when I ask for a moderator to appear. Thus there seems to be some confusion here.

NikNik is not due back for another two weeks. It will then be only a month until Christmas, which we all know is an incredibly difficult time for many Forumites. Can we expect any temporary measures to be put in place to ensure that Forum Land is a safe space over the next few weeks?

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I don't know if it's possible but my suggestion is that at the top of the page it could say which moderator/s are on shift at the time. @Former-Member. That way we would know who to tag if we felt it important to involve them, either for ourselves or for others. What do you think @Phoenix_Rising @Faith-and-Hope @Sans911 @Shaz51 @Mazarita @Appleblossom @outlander @Former-Member @CheerBear and the many more people I could name?

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That suggestion has been flagged previously with NikNik @eth.

There is a thread where a discussion was held. For you information you can read it here

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@Zoe7 @eth @Sans911 @Shaz51 I am wondering if it might be wise to bring the conversation that is happening here back to this thread so it all kind of stays in one place.

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okay @Phoenix_Rising - fun fact (or not so fun as the case may be) - this time last week you and I were having a playful conversation of riding a wave - trying REALLY hard to avoid the muddle we got ourselves into the previous week - and BOOM guess what happened - an even bigger storm approached and completely blindsided everyone - no warning siren, no sudden drop in temperature, no time to run for shelter. Hoiw do we get ourselves into these muddles little turtle - how

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@eth

Even if the point has been previously raised.

The fact that you have brought it up and asked the question indicates that not everyone finds the system easy to navigate.

Great that @Zoe7 responded to you advising where to look..

my point is that there are many on these forums who stay in the background...the shadows..who prefer not to speak up, they have their own valid, private reasons. I respect this...

what I am trying to say is as I believe @Phoenix_Rising was on a similar path...

we cannot and must not assume that those of us who have spoken have the same opinions as all on these forums. This needs to be looked at from a fair, honest aspect taking into account the needs of all. A very fragile situation.

@Former-Member

I also would like to thank you for taking the time to respond.

A response clearly indicating that you have listened...sensitively written

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@Former-Member the point you raised "my point is that there are many on these forums who stay in the background...the shadows..who prefer not to speak up, they have their own valid, private reasons" - I believe that this should be the case for members and moderators. That is why I raised the point earlier around moderators feeling comfortable about disclosing personal information - and that includes their background/experience in the mental health field (or any other). In this respect having a thread/page/list (whatever it may be) that highlights qualifications etc. not every moderator may feel comfortable with - and I also don't feel it is needed. I choose to believe that if SANE has hired these moderators then they must have exceptional characteristics/skills/experience to do their job here.

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That is ok @Zoe7

this is an open discussion where we are not all going to agree.

no need to justify your reasoning to me..

I am very good at agreeing to disagree....does not affect how I view the person..

It is a good thing that there are differing views..

all can be collated and then a plan can be discussed by the staff at Sane

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Totally agree with everything you just wrote @Former-Member and thankyou for being so upfront and open to discussion

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Okay, this is part two. A bit of info about the Help Centre for those members who don't know much about us. SANE has had a 1800 line to provide information, support and referrals for 30 years now. It's evolved into a small team of mental health professionals - meaning someone who has a minimum qualification of an undergraduate degree in psychology, social work or counselling with most working towards higher qualifications. We work across the phone, email and web chat to support people living with a mental illness and their carers.

Forum members are very welcome to access those services to help manage their mental health concerns and a number of you do. It's useful to be aware that we don't use those channels to manage forum issues - like any problems with technology, notifications etc. We assist with those via email at team@saneforums.org.

Until early September we were only open from 9am to 5pm AEST/AEDT Which was highly problematic for help-seekers on the west coast and anyone with a job. We're really delighted to have been able to open longer hours. Pheonix Rising is right that SANE strongly values the consumer advocate role and uses it in a variety of ways, principally in the development of new programs and materials. Apart from being informed by the lived experience that exists across our organisation, there was no additional consultation in the extension of hours because it was simply that. The same service model available for longer hours and to more people.

The leadership team within the Help Centre are all trained in trauma informed practice and it's a framework that has growing impact across the organisation. The new incoming Help Centre Counsellors also had a session on it in their initial training. It's an awareness and practice that deepens over time and it's an ongoing part of our internal conversations.

Back the forums, it's best to use @Former-Member to alert someone that help is needed now. When you tag specific moderators you won't know when a response can be expected. The conversation about notifiying you about the mods on at any given time is not one I can address. That needs to wait for NikNik to return.

The key dilemma for us with regards to last Thursday night, which we've explained via phone and email to Pheonix Rising, is that the moderator needed to liaise with the Content team in order to have the facebook post removed. This involved a face to face chat with the head of the department to explain the issue and then a phone call to the social media manager to act on the decision. This took time away from the forums to resolve and resulted in some of you feeling unsupported.

We take your safety very seriously and so this outcome is one we deeply regret. The reality for us at times is that we need to choose between two courses of action and it felt at the time that it was essential to get the facebook post removed in order to limit further damage. If anything similar arises again, the team know that they can reach out to management for some assistance.

As I'm not part of the current forum management team - just the most senior person around to acknowledge your concerns right now - I can't make any promises about longer-term changes at this point. But you have been heard, and will continue to be listened to, and conversation will continue once the management team are back. In the meantime, we'll keep our focus on the @Former-Member inbox and respond as quickly as we can.

I've off for the day but I'll be in tomorrow. I hope you all have a good night 🙂

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