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Hatred of Positivity and other things.

Hatred of Positivity and other things.

I need to vent, just to get the bad feelings out of my system. It'll likely be a train of thought.

I can't recall the last time something went decisively 'right' in my life. I agree that it's probably subjective as to what I mean by right, and that the meaning changes over time, probably even to myself. What matters right now is how I perceive it, though, and how that makes me feel. I feel as if my life has been bad since I finished school: A variety of family problems leading up to that moment came to a head immediately after and lead to me suffering from chronic depression from then (2012) until now. I've done all sorts of things since then, like attempt three seperate university/tafe courses, attempt to lose weight through means such as gym exercise, regular walking, etc, practice drawing and art in my spare time.

Everything has been a failure, or otherwise produced no results. There's always some drama that happens that ruins my mood, drains all my energy and makes me stop what I'm doing, leaving me with another year in my life wasted. I get self-destructive thoughts like I'm sure most fellow sufferers here do, but I'm not the sort to harm myself. I am however, painfully aware of the time I spend doing nothing, screaming and crying in bed or wasting time away on simple, cheaply-rewarding pleasures.

My only fulfillment comes from making other people smile and be happy through the variety of online friendships I make while sitting here, doing nothing. My purpose is not to make people smile, however; it's not something I go out of my way to do, but rather a part of who I am. I can't readily discuss or reveal my inner pain to the people I love, or else they will likely no longer smile and be happy. It can be difficult to detect emotion in an online context, but I can tell in the way that people's written responses thin out, or just stop outright, when they want me to stop talking about my problems. I experience the same fatigue when people vent at me too, so I do not blame them.

Asking for a shoulder to cry on, or for advice with the variety of problems facing me is usually a double-edged sword as well: I do not know whether it is a by-product of my many years of being miserable, but I absolutely despise positive and motivational talk. It invariably comes across as naive parroting as opposed to experienced advice that is empathic. It doesn't help that most of such oft-repeated, upbeat advisorial phrases are usually accusatory or chiding to some extent; perhaps a better way to describe it would be that they're speaking from up high.

I probably sound like a wizened, grumpy Scrooge-esque figure, but I am perfectly capable of being positive and upbeat. It is part of how I manage to lighten people up and make friends. So why do these attempts at improving my outlook on my life infuriate me so? Am I just averse to change? Am I jealous of other people's success in comparison to the way I wallow in my sadness and problems? I have most definitely developed an almost masochistic side of myself thanks to my depression: There is a measure of maniacal, psychopathic satisfaction I feel when convincing others that I am hopeless and impossible to save, doomed to be miserable. It hurts me too, though, perhaps more than it pleases...

After everything I've said (if anyone's still listening, that is...) this is probably going to sound stupidly ironic, but does anyone have any advice? I only ask because I wonder if anyone else feels the same way I do; that no matter how hard they try, they never seem to succeed. I want to hear your stories and experiences, see if you have any insight for me, or vice versa!

Crippling depression aside, I hope you're all having a nice day!
-Orphy

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@Orphanim

I hear you. I am convinced I am jinxed. For me, things appear to go well but then something bad happens to mess it up. It is very frustrating. For example, a few years ago I got my dream job (after months of interviews, tests etc.) only to then feel really depressed and realise I hated working there and my colleagues were not nice.

So I am given the illusion of something being good, but then it goes bad. It is really frustrating.

Like you, I don't like all the positivity talk and I think it is actually detrimental and harmful to people suffering from depression. Would you say to cancer sufferers ' cheer up, change your views and your thinking and your cancer will go away'. ? No.

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@Orphanim
Yes I understand a bit of what you are going through. It's the depression talking - the negative self talk, to bring us down.
I'm currently stuck in a depressive cycle. I know I have to put in some effort (walking, cleaning, mixing with people) to get over this cycle. But the problem for me is lack of motivation. And when that lack of motivation comes, so does the guilt and negative self talk.
My psychologist today gave me homework. Tonight think of 3 things that I WILL DO tomorrow. Eg: walk around the block or have a shower. Do the dishes. Talk to a friend (even on the phone) etc.
My psychologist believes by starting to do these things, it will slowly push my negativity and depression to the background - as I'll be achieving small wins.
Maybe that is something you can do. So instead of planning to loose weight, break that goal down into more achievable smaller pieces.
Eg: I can't imagine walking for 30 minutes, so my aim instead is to simply walk around the block. I can always extend my time and distance later.
Hoping that helps you.

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@girl99

I can sympathise with that a lot. I've never worked a job in my life beyond volunteer work, but part of the reason I'm so apprehensive about trying is the thought of spending so much time finding the dream job and then hating it.

Having to go to an employment agency once a week or so is a massive pain. I have no interest in working, much less any energy to search for jobs, and job-search places are always so painfully positive; plastering success anecdotes all over the walls and constantly prodding you to find that dull, 9-5 job.

@utopia

I've heard that advice before from my ex-boyfriend. Me and him were together during the harder years of my depression, where at times I'd be immobolised in bed, screaming in anguish. He tried so hard to make me think better, but I just wasn't having any of it. I guess I wanted to be pathetic so I could be pampered.

That being said, it's sound advice. I just lack even the slightest motivation. It's like muscle memory for me to start feeling exhausted when I think about doing things. I guess I should feel lucky that it's in my routine to go out every morning on a little walk, even if it's to have coffee and banana bread for breakfast.
Then I come back with candy and laze away the rest of the day:

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Hi @Orphanim.

I loved reading your title "Hatred of positivity and other things" - I can absolutely relate... I have been there. I can remember back at high-school, especially, being a real cynic and making fun of the kids who were up-beat and positive and who had it all going on. Maybe I was actually jealous of them? I'm not sure. It's funny, but I had totally forgotten about that aspect of my personality until I read your title- so thank you!

It's good to have a chance to think about this stuff again.

That fact that you have attempted 3 separate uni/tafe courses and have tried to lose weight shows that you do have some motivation and that you are persistent.

I have learned throughout my life that persistence is everything. Don't feel that you have wasted time because these things haven't worked out for you.... it's very common for things not to work out, but that doesn't mean that you didn't learn anything or that you can't enjoy yourself.

Yes, dramas always happen. This is so true. Even people who seem to lead easy lives and appear to have everything they want, experience dramas and set-backs. But it's how you deal with the set-backs that counts. And I don't mean that you have to adopt a false, or forced positive attitude. You have to acknowledge when something is not right, so as you can try to fix it. If you try to fix something but realise that you can't.... then you have to accept that and just move forward anyway.

A lot of stuff really is beyond our control. Concentrate on the things that you are able to do.

I think counselling would be great for you and would help you to set some realistic goals. Once you start achieving small goals, then you will realise that progress is possible. Counselling will also give you a chance to talk about yourself without feeling like you are burdening a friend with all your troubles. The counsellor is impartial and non-judgemental, so you can feel free to indulge yourself and really get into the nitty-gritty of what you feel and why you feel it.

Counselling helped me immensely. I still had problems that I had to deal with, but I felt so much less confused about them and I felt that I could more easily understand myself, after counselling.

Please feel free to wrte about anything and everything, @Orphanim.

It's nice to meet you.

S.

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@Orphanim

I can understand about not wanting to work. I miss working and using my brain but I don't miss my work colleagues. It's strange because in the workforce you are stuck working 8 hour days with people that you probably wouldn't choose to spend any time with if you weren't at work. And you have to see these people more than you see your friends or family.

The Governent should just get rid of DSP payments and dole payments and just have one flat payment for people who don't want to work. It would save money on administering all these 'work' schemes and pretending there are jobs for people. It's the fake motivation of 'you can do it' and 'the perfect job is out there' that grinds people down as it's just not true.

There are always going to be people in our community who don't want to work (or can't work for health or one reason or another), so just give everyone a flat payment to live off, plus there aren't enough jobs to go around anyway.

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@Sahara

Ahh, school. What a painful crucible. I was never exactly jealous or hateful of the more upbeat classmates, but I was deeply resentful of how everyone seemed to look down on me for being quiet and keeping to myself.

I suppose I am persistent. That was a positive I had yet to consider, and hearing your thoughts on it brought a smile to my face. It's definitely something I haven't lost, no matter how doom & gloom I get, I want to try something else again. I'm just never particularly enthusiastic and confident about it. 😛

I heartily concur with counselling: I spent so many years totally miserable, but within a month of seeing a psychologist I saw tons of improvement in my mood. The only reason I no longer see that psychologist now is because I've moved elsewhere and I ran out of free sessions with her. :c I'm going to be seeing a local psychiatrist soon, so hopefully that might fill the void to some extent.

Thank you for the kind words, Sahara! It's lovely to meet you too! c:

@girl99

Yeah. I crave the sense of purpose and fulfillment of hard work accomplished, but I hate being around the average person. It'd be like school all over again. 😧 Maybe I should consider being an entrepreneur when I have enough energy to shower more than once a week. 😕

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@Orphanim,

I hope you get a lot out of seeing your new psychiatrist. I saw one years ago and she was very good.... I felt she sort of 'had my back' so to speak, but that is a very long story!

I suffered from major depression and severe anxiety, including panic attacks. I'm doing so much better now, but I do still have some anxiety. I've noticed lately that my tolerance for anxiety is increasing. It's like I think "Oh, yeah, I'm anxious, but what's new? I'm so used to being anxious that it hardly matters anymore."

@Orphanim- have you heard of metacognitive therapy? It's something I've been reading about that sounds very interesting. Studies show that it can be very helpful. It's a way of changing our thinking.... a bit like CBT (conitive behavioural therapy) but even more useful, in some cases.

Please don't worry about not feeling enthusiastic and confident. Almost no-one feels like this. People who succeed are people who get up every morning and do stuff regardless of how they feel. If you wait until you feel confident and motivated before you begin something... you may be waiting a very long time! Just begin, anyway. Begin something and see what happens. You never know if you are going to like something until you give it a go.

I know of people who wait around until the "perfect opportunity" lands in their lap. They will be waiting forever! There are no so-called 'perfect' opportunities out there, and opportunities certainly don't get presented to you on a silver platter, either. You just have to go out and find opportunities and try them out.... that is how I have lived anyway. (Some opportunities are dead ends- but you still learn stuff along the way.)

And don't worry to much about what other people say.... everyone loves to share their opinion on things they know absolutely nothing about... just let let them rabbit on, and then go out and do whatever you like. Chances are , they won't even notice, anyway, because people are far more interested in themselves than they are in other people!

What is it that you would like to do? Is it your art?

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Also @Orphanim, candy is not your friend!!

It makes your blood sugar levels go haywire and can make you tired and irritable. Please try something else- eating grapes or blueberries or even better still- look up some healthy recipes online for little organic, suger-free 'energy treats' or something like that. Once you aren't constantly tired you may get the energy to do more things.

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@Sahara

Candy is most definitely not my friend. I'll see about moving on to something better for my body. My first appointment with the psych was nice, and I feel good about seeing her in the future. Thank you so much for your advice. c: I'm a little sleepy today, or else I'd write more...

EDIT: Oh, and my art is my passion and the thing I want to pursue most, amongst other creative things. It's also the thing I have so much trouble doing... :c

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I see 3 positives in your last post @Orphanim

I am no good at art. but there are lot on the forum who share it on different threads.

I am learning to like to look at things. Had lots eye probs as a kid.

Some positivity mongers drive me mad too.

Cheers

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