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Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Good morning Forum Land,

So... @CheerBear @Zoe7 and I have decided to embark on an adventure of working through the DBT skills training manual together but not. That is, we all bought the manual at the same time, but we will probably work through it each in our own muddled puddled confuddled way. Consequently, who knows how this thread will end up looking. That's ok, that's why it's an adventure.

We would super love other Forumites to join us on this adventure if they want to. You definitely don't need to own the manual to join us, though if you want to, this is the book we are working from: DBT Skills Training Manual (second edition) by Marsha Linehan published in 2015. The manual has LOTS of worksheets in it, but happily, you can download those for free from this website: https://www.guilford.com/companion-site/DBT-Skills-Training-Manual-Second-Edition/9781462516995

It is important to be aware that this manual is not a self-help book. This is the manual designed to train therapists in how to deliver DBT to clients. Therefore, it can make for challenging reading at times. Personally, I find it hugely validating reading the way in which Linehan addresses the all-too-common negative and stigmatising attitudes that many mental health professionals have towards clients with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). However, others may find it distressing realising just how pervasive these attitudes can be across the mental health profession.

DBT was originally developed specifically to treat people with BPD. However, there is now a strong evidence base showing that is effective across a wide range of mental health issues. This is due to the core focus of DBT being on emotion regulation. DBT has also been shown to be effective in helping non-clinical populations manage their emotions. It may be of particular interest to some people in Forum Land, that DBT skills training has been shown to be effective in helping the carers of those with mental health issues cope with the challenges associated with that caring role.

As I said, I'm really not sure how this adventure is going to pan out...but we will never know if we don't try, will we! The manual begins with an introductory chapter outlining the theoretical basis for DBT. It has lots of nice little subheadings which breaks it up into easily manageable chunks. Thus I'm thinking @CheerBear and @Zoe7, that we could tackle the introduction based on these subheadings. Ideally I would love to do a little bit each day, but given the muddle that is my world, that is unlikely to happen. I expect it is far more likely that some weeks I will have a lot to say, and at other times, weeks may go by where I have nothing to say. I am guessing it will be the same for you...and that is a bazillion percent ok.

I superly duperly hope that some other Forumites decide to join us. But if not, that's ok too. I'm just as happy playing by myself.

And on that note, let the adventure begin...

Finding your way in the DBT adventure.

The following is a bit of a guide to navigating your way around what I anticipate will end up being quite a lengthy thread. The link will take you to the relevant page. Here in Forum Land, there are ten posts per page so you may need to scroll down a little way to find the actual post. The relevant headings are in large blue font to help you find them easily.

What is DBT? (This bit is on this first page so just scroll down).

Understanding Emotion Dysregulation

Are People With BPD Manipulative?

Accepting Our Emotions

The Consequences of Emotion Dysregulation

An Overview of DBT

Orientation, Goals and Guidelines

Pros and cons of learning and using DBT skills

Pros and cons of using DBT skills versus self-harming

Introduction to mindfulness

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Observe

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Describe and Participate

Mindfulness "How" Skills: Part One - Nonjudgmentally

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I adore the young ones @Appleblossom, @Teej
My kids are 18, 20, 22, 25, 27.
I loved it when they were all teenagers.
We only have two at home now.
Just gave S3 a lesson in white sauce making for cauliflower cheese.

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Hi all,

I am super enjoying reading everyone's thoughts here. I am a bit too sleepy to respond now, but I will sometime in the next day or two.

@Catcakes I just wanted to let you know that your response was fine. I totally hear you about platitudes - they annoy the hell out of me too! I'm sorry that my comment felt like a platitude to you, I definitely know how yuck that can feel.

I will return to this thread when I am more awake.

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I have been giving thought as to when to make
stand vs accept and have listened to some talks about this.

The decision as to whether or not to make a stand also causes me internal conflict @Phoenix_Rising as I would naturally want to make a stand as a result of feeling hurt and resentment rather than wanting to do what is right for the greater good. I need to examine my motivation.

I feel it is important to learn what is worth fighting for, indeed having things to fight for keeps us going. Things that are of value and worthy of conflict for me include health, relationships and hope over despair; these do not come naturally to me.

I have mentioned internal battles but there are also external battles and dealing with these is somewhat different. Conflict resolution can come at personal expense and we need to ask ourselves if we are prepared to pay this price.

By following some ground rules successful negotiations can occur with good outcomes for all concerned, this often involves humility, respect, listening and persistence, focussing on the problem and not the person.

When choosing to raise an issue, we have no control over the response of the other party or their willingness to resolve the differences we have.

Taking a stand takes courage and persistence, but in doing so we can often achieve results that go beyond ourselves and benefit others.

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I responded before but not sure it worked, so will try again.
Maybe I shouldn't have used the term 'almost opposite as a way of expressing my point. It seems I over emphasised myself and created a big reaction lol. My point still iis though that gardless of origins , CBT and DBT teach different ways of thinking or dealing with a situation.
When you study Social Science , specialising in Counselling , you are taught various different methodologies in order to decide what to specialise in. CBT is a very popular form of Counselling and as I am sure you know, it focuses on changing perceptions, reality testing etc. Where as DBT, OFTEN FAVOURED BY BPD specialists, focuses more on accepting the situation as the reality, for example. These can be very different ways of dealing with a situation.

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Absolutely yes. DBT changed my life in many ways. I don't have enough good things to say about it.
Practising the skills is an ongoing process of course.

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That is a very empowering point about DBT.

Accepting the situation as the reality surrounding a person, rather than CBT changing thinking which implies that the thinking is wrong.

and knowing which skills to practise when.

If it had been around to help my brother ...

It helps me at the moment to have a person who is walking with me. Not too much pressure to gain new skills, but just be me.

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I never did answer your question last night @Appleblossom
But no I’m not still doing DBT.
The psychologist I was with has moved her practise a fair way away and so I completed one full round of modules. I would have liked to do the course again but it wasn’t offered.
The psychologist I am seeing now is very skilled in DBT but because over the past year I have lurched and stumbled from one crisis to another, the sessions are more debriefing/supportive type therapy.

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@Catcakes I am unsure why you feel the need to put that in inverted commas by the way. If you disbelieve me or disagree with me there are nicer ways to go about it.
Perhaps you will find the areas that focuses on interpersonal skills most beneficial? Lol

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Sorry it didn't help him.

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Sorry I didn't address some people I was personally responding to. Getting used to this forum.
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