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Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Good morning Forum Land,

So... @CheerBear @Zoe7 and I have decided to embark on an adventure of working through the DBT skills training manual together but not. That is, we all bought the manual at the same time, but we will probably work through it each in our own muddled puddled confuddled way. Consequently, who knows how this thread will end up looking. That's ok, that's why it's an adventure.

We would super love other Forumites to join us on this adventure if they want to. You definitely don't need to own the manual to join us, though if you want to, this is the book we are working from: DBT Skills Training Manual (second edition) by Marsha Linehan published in 2015. The manual has LOTS of worksheets in it, but happily, you can download those for free from this website: https://www.guilford.com/companion-site/DBT-Skills-Training-Manual-Second-Edition/9781462516995

It is important to be aware that this manual is not a self-help book. This is the manual designed to train therapists in how to deliver DBT to clients. Therefore, it can make for challenging reading at times. Personally, I find it hugely validating reading the way in which Linehan addresses the all-too-common negative and stigmatising attitudes that many mental health professionals have towards clients with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). However, others may find it distressing realising just how pervasive these attitudes can be across the mental health profession.

DBT was originally developed specifically to treat people with BPD. However, there is now a strong evidence base showing that is effective across a wide range of mental health issues. This is due to the core focus of DBT being on emotion regulation. DBT has also been shown to be effective in helping non-clinical populations manage their emotions. It may be of particular interest to some people in Forum Land, that DBT skills training has been shown to be effective in helping the carers of those with mental health issues cope with the challenges associated with that caring role.

As I said, I'm really not sure how this adventure is going to pan out...but we will never know if we don't try, will we! The manual begins with an introductory chapter outlining the theoretical basis for DBT. It has lots of nice little subheadings which breaks it up into easily manageable chunks. Thus I'm thinking @CheerBear and @Zoe7, that we could tackle the introduction based on these subheadings. Ideally I would love to do a little bit each day, but given the muddle that is my world, that is unlikely to happen. I expect it is far more likely that some weeks I will have a lot to say, and at other times, weeks may go by where I have nothing to say. I am guessing it will be the same for you...and that is a bazillion percent ok.

I superly duperly hope that some other Forumites decide to join us. But if not, that's ok too. I'm just as happy playing by myself.

And on that note, let the adventure begin...

Finding your way in the DBT adventure.

The following is a bit of a guide to navigating your way around what I anticipate will end up being quite a lengthy thread. The link will take you to the relevant page. Here in Forum Land, there are ten posts per page so you may need to scroll down a little way to find the actual post. The relevant headings are in large blue font to help you find them easily.

What is DBT? (This bit is on this first page so just scroll down).

Understanding Emotion Dysregulation

Are People With BPD Manipulative?

Accepting Our Emotions

The Consequences of Emotion Dysregulation

An Overview of DBT

Orientation, Goals and Guidelines

Pros and cons of learning and using DBT skills

Pros and cons of using DBT skills versus self-harming

Introduction to mindfulness

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Observe

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Describe and Participate

Mindfulness "How" Skills: Part One - Nonjudgmentally

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see if I can continue tomorrow @Phoenix_Rising , I will let you know

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I did ok today @Phoenix_Rising

but now I am cooking 2 Dinners a once tonight -- one for us and one for my mum

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I find I need to be intentional and concentrate on my work, particularly if something is on my mind @Phoenix_Rising. Would not say I do it mindfully, more so with determination.

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CBT and DBT are quite different approaches though. CBT mainly focuses on changing your perceptions and thoughts, DBT Is completely opposite and focuses largely on acceptance. Acceptance of thoughts, feelings...etc but I agree that it helps to have a vast array of skills and kmowledge.

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In my opinion CBT is helpful in any situation. As long as you are able to open your mind to It, it helps so much. Which is why it's used to help with all sorts of problems like substance abuse issues and even psychosis.

Practising DBT skills and mindfulness skills can be aimed at being used to feel okay with things in life that are comfortable or unfair, being able to accept those things for what they are, without getting really upset,.

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Hi @Winterz and welcome to the forums ..... 👋

While I haven’t studied CBT or DBT, I have had to come to terms with the issues we are carrying in our family at the moment, and try not to let them upset me as much as possible. We have been co-existing with them for a long time now, with no end in sight.

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THANKS FOR THE WELCOMING 🙂

I am sorry to hear that things are not going well for you at the moment. It is hard to stay positive sometimes isn't it?
I have tried and studied both CBT and DBT. I think overall, I prefer CBT therapy, that's just my personal experience though, it just works better for me. It's been especially helpful for me with realising that my perceptions play a massive part in how I feel and that I have the power to change that . Having said that though, DBT skills have helped massively too, especially with learning to deal with and control intense emotions. I still don't have it MASTERED though haha.. but at least I am much better than I once was...I guess you just have to find what works best for you. You might respond better to one therapy style more than the another...but yeah the whole acceptance part and mindfulness , so many experts swear by it but I find it takes a lot longer to adapt to mindfulness. That's just me though. Mindfulness requires lots of patience and practice in my opinion BUT I still practise it all when I can.

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Hello all. Firstly, fantastic thread - I've been away for a while so I have tonight just read about 8 pages of this thread so far and ordered the DBT book - you've all inspired me! I don't live with BPD (but rather schizoaffective) but have been on a journey of self-acceptance but I also have a strong awareness of a need for change. One aspect that has resonated with me is something that @Phoenix_Rising said about getting to the source/cause of our problems/issues. I really think my muddle is because I haven't fully explored what has led to it all. Or maybe I'm wrong. Regardless, it is difficult to find a psych able to work through that stuff. It's all a jumble of mixed memories, trauma, drug use, bodily pain and altogether it makes me who I am. Was it Cheer Bear who mentioned about physical bodily memory ie organs storing memory of trauma. I so believe that can be true. But alas, I'm getting off track - my point is that I would like to join this journey and I'll slowly make my way through the historical posts and through the book once it arrives on my doorstep! Thanks for sharing and all the informative posts 🙂

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Anybody is welcome here @Former-Member 😊

It’s an exciting thread.

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Think my Mum taught me mindfulness @Winterz ...... and she probably taught herself. She had a mother with an undiagnosed mi ..... and you just have to find ways to make things work as best you can, from both sides of the fence ......

I am so glad this is a tool that is being better studied, and actively taught ..... all to the better .....
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