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Tooky History: Clipart but potentially triggering

Tooky History: Clipart but potentially triggering

This is a little project I did earlier this week, inspired by @Faith-and-Hope on one of the art threads, also @Appleblossom and Sherry, and some others on the Carers side.

The story "reads" left to right line by line as you would a book.

Some will "get it" some probably won't but nonetheless, it depicts my "black hole" story and everything in it is chosen or placed deliberately. It's supposed to be a side by side trilogy but in this format it's the three sequential pages so the pics in the collage can be seen.

It's a little scary posting it because it means something to me but well here it is anyhow.

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Re: Tooky History: Clipart but potentially triggering

Hi @Pheenstar

I have just popped you a quick email - but just in case you haven't received it:

I wanted to touch base about your recent post asking Tooky for their time to discuss some matters regarding your partner.

I wanted to flag that the Forums are anonymous, so exchanging personal details is not allowed. You can read more about it in our Community Guidelines (https://saneforums.org/t5/About-the-forum-including/Forum-Guides/m-p/105960#M1037)

If you are looking for feedback, advice or support about a matter with your partner, the Forums are a great place to receive the peer support that you’re looking for. I advise starting a new thread so others can view and respond to your discussion.

There is also a Carers Forum, which you might find helpful.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Re: Tooky History: Clipart but potentially triggering

@NikNik

hmmmmm

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Re: Tooky History: Clipart but potentially triggering

Bella and who it may concern,

Let's just say Fox News is to some parody, and to others it is real.

Their slogan is "Fair and Balanced". Which if you are in the former category, makes the slogan well ... laughable.

Probably to the presenters they are being fair and balanced, because likely they just don't know better.

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@soul@NikNik

Insight, Neurosis, and Character Disturbance

Dr G K Simon

Excerpt:

"Traditionally-minded therapists have a very difficult time understanding the whole concept of the disturbed character’s awareness. In my classical training, I was taught never to ask a client “why” they did something because it would likely “throw them on the defensive” and they would be “afraid” to disclose. Besides, they were supposed to be in the dark about the real underlying reasons for their behavior, anyway.

So, even though I was very interested in their motives, in my early work I did not ask them directly. A fair amount of the time, when I did broach motivation issues, they would reply with something like: “To tell you the truth, doctor, I really don’t know,” or “That’s what I’m in therapy to find out.” This would reinforce in me what I’d always been taught: that our primary therapy task would be to build a trusting relationship and then carefully uncover the unconscious underpinnings of their disturbing conduct. Eventually they would come to “see” the problems with their behavior and work through their “issues.”

What a surprise it was to learn that such an approach was a total waste of time and that the disturbed and disordered characters I was working with were, in fact, keenly aware of their problematic thinking and behavior, despite the fact that they might use the manipulation and impression-management tactics of “playing dumb,” “feigning innocence,” or “feigning ignorance” to cast things otherwise. And eventually I came to believe (as have several colleagues and researchers working in this area) that most of the time, when a disturbed character says “I don’t know” they really mean:

  • “I’ve never really think about it that much.”
  • “I don’t want to think about it.”
  • “I don’t want to talk about it now.”
  • “I know very well why I did it, but I certainly don’t want you to know because that would put you in a position of equal advantage with me — having my number, so to speak — and I won’t be able to manipulate you as easily or manage your impression of my character.”
  • “I don’t want to disclose because I want you to buy into the notion that I’m basically a person of good character who made an unwitting mistake, oblivious about the harm I caused others — i.e., my intentions were benign and I am willing to increase my awareness with your guidance.”

So, “I don’t know” can mean any of the above and a whole host of other things. But in the case of the disturbed character, it never, ever truly means “I don’t know.” And when I politely but firmly stopped accepting “I don’t know” for an answer , I was astonished at how easily I began to get more straightforward answers that actually made sense. Most importantly, the games of impression management character-impaired clients tried to engage me in diminished dramatically. I also became fairly dramatically aware of how expert disturbed and disordered characters generally are on the subject of neurosis as well as the mindsets of many mental health professionals. They know how neurotics think, the attitudes they hold, and the naiveties that make them vulnerable to manipulation. They’re also familiar enough with the tenets of traditional psychology to know how to manipulate and impression-manage even a seasoned professional."

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Sorry @Former-Member I only had my partner and kids best interests in my thoughts, was not trying to ruffle any one feathers.. I have promised and I am a man of my word that I will leave this issue alone if my partner gets the required help that I think is needed, and didn't want to blow my one chance with some one I didn't know or doesn't know the problem as they are getting bum information from the source, I only read two posts of yours and will read the rest of your material tonight, I will let you know if I'm a fan...haha I have also got mail for asking for help on one of my posts and was redirected back to the get her to see a doctor and then go through the process. . I got nothing against the process as she has never gotten any help, but I'm thinking a process and how complicated it is to get her to even see someone, and she is like (barely nothing wrong) compared to what I see on here just doesn't make sense. I want the best help for my situation and can't discuss it on a forum, so im nearly scared of getting directory help or a process of help that can be as flexible as it needs to do the required job.. gunna look into the process

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a fan? @Pheenstar I'm confused. But I assure you I am not looking for fans, I'm just someone with a certain set of life experiences nothing more than that. Maybe you have the wrong impression of who I am. Best thing you can do is research into what you think might help her and find someone who will assist in that process.

There are many varied therapies and not all are offered by every psych, so it is important to know which therapy you think might suit your situation and find a practitioner who offers that one because you will find most of the time each psych specialises in certain types.

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@Former-Member - thanks for the info by Dr GK Simons. I found it most interesting and have read up on more of what he has to say.

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Yeah @soul Dr Simon has some very good articles but there are also some aspects to him that make me go hmmmm. He is not my favourite, not by a long way. But his early works and why he decided to specialise the way he did is very important to gaining insight into the other side of the coin, so to speak.

Like him, I don't think Freudian psychoanalysis works with these types, it is now being proved over and over again that it just makes them worse because they feed off itt.

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I'm an INTP on the MBTI personality profiles. It's an in your head, analysing, thinking and creative way to be but it also is a very disconnecting existence because it is hard for others to relate to me and hard for me to relate to others. Only a small proportion of women are INTP (which is probably lucky because we aren't very popular to those who feel intimidated by us.) Funny though, we aren't at all intimidating on the inside we just like to find answers and solve things.

Anyhow, I love Carl Jung, who just happens to also be an INTP and the 16 profiles on the MBTI are based on his works. So... this is a brief insight into the intricate cognitive processes inside my head.

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