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The me no one knows - SI warning

The me no one knows - SI warning

I’ve made this space to have somewhere safe to talk and share things.

to chat with every one who has shown concern about and for me.

I have spent almost all my life masking, from as far back as primary school (possibly younger).

almost no one knows the real me. Not sure if I even know the real me.

my past is filled with lots of darkness. People I’ve tried to speak with during my life either don’t believe me or don’t want to know

@AlwaysMyself @Bunniekins @Captain24 @Cuddlebear @rav3n @Jynx

hiding behind the mask pretending nothing is wrong. Putting on brave face whilst inside I’m a shattered pieces. Feeling lost and completely alone. No one wants anything to do with me. Relatives only contact when they want something. Going to bed every night hoping to never wake again

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I've nestled into a cafe where I have about 10min or so before meeting someone. Got my iced coffee - remembered half-strength, but it still tastes as strong as a full strength (wondering if they accidentally forgot to read "half strength" or if I'm just more sensitive to the taste today? I have my sweetener though so the bitterness can be resolved, but I am trying to have less caffeine since the weekend plus my medication decreases, due to not wanting to get jitters from caffeine).

Okie dokie, see how much I can write in 10 minutes or so lol!

I really like that you are open & accepting of your stepchildren and their partners, and don't judge based on people's diversity of any form. 🤗😍

I really loved this comment, it made me smile & laugh a little: "3 absolute pains in the neck and at same time, when used to see and hear from them, I loved each one same as anyone else who is important me."

Why did it make me laugh? Because it is so true! The internal strong love that can co-exist even when someone does things that frustrate your and be "absolute pains in the neck" lol.

<-- I got to here, then just spent the last 15 minutes adding more whilst waiting for me GP and forgot that my login token will have expired and now have lost all the extra !! OMG such a dill. I had meant to "copy" the text so I could just refresh & post it all without issue. Oops!

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@Flutterbug9 The portion I lost, I will try to retype quickly - but I will reduce it to be more brief lol cos GP may call me at any time now.

Trolls. I have heard there are some from others too. i feel grateful/lucky I have not been a target. I feel very badly for those who have experienced it. And I also can empathise with how hard it is for the SANE team to have effective prevention that doesn't negatively impact other forum users. Of course the harm is done when the person reads it, and isn't undone just because it is reported & removed. 😰. I assume they discuss with the posting member of why & how it is inappropriate and if its not a once-off accident that is unlike to recurr, then that they would impose some posting moderation-before-live review process?? until they can see that the person is able to post appropriately and can give another chance and remove this. I imagine doing a permanent moderation-approval (like photos) for posts would be too onerous on the mods resourcing which we can see is already stretched well beyond ideal capacity for response times.

Definitely one of those things to weigh up between the benefits and risks/disbenefits of the forum, and feeds into those suggestions about users being able to block specific users who have caused harm to a person. I hope the SANE team can come up with some practical ideas to help improve the moderation system and safety with this respect, and it certainly is a real risk for harm (not just ideal improvement for social enhancement) and has been reported & supported by a number of members in that thread. I hope they keep up updated on it. 😊

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@Flutterbug9 Never need to apologise to me about re-mentioning something 😊 - we all know our memories aren't perfect and so it's good to ensure that important things in the context are not forgotten. I know my memory has been increasingly prone to forgetting important things over the past 2-3 years 😓; I used to be so good at it.

GP just took in another person. So should have at least another 5-10 mins. Waiting room is getting pretty empty now, so I reckon I might be next.

I assume the multiple miscarriages would have impacted your parents significantly - the grief and loss. Do you think they valued you more because of the other losses though? Finally having a successful pregnancy/birth?

This of course never excuses poor behaviours or neglect - just wondering if there were clear behaviours of how it impacted them. On the other hand, my best friend had a miscarriage (I am trying to remember if it was before or after her firstborn), and now has 2 sons who she loves (even though they drive her nuts sometimes!) and to my knowledge/observance her grief in the miscarriage has not impacted her ability to show love and care in raising her children. I think the miscarriage was prior to her first-born. My cousin is also a similar story, he & his wife had multiple painful miscarriages before their firstborn (and now have 2 healthy children - who I will meet for the first time in a few months). I know they felt elation at their childrens' birth, but I also remember them acknowledging the pain that hearing it can bring to those who have been unable to bear children and/or had miscarriages. They remember this every year at mothers/fathers day too, in support for others and also in memory of their lost bubs. I really like how they handle this duality of joy for the children they have and the grief and loss in the memory of those they lost. Reading their experiences helped me understand the imapct of miscarriage on people more (I have no children, and no desire to have children. But prefer to be able to offer adhoc support & "auntieship" to freinds/family/volunteer).

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@AlwaysMyself Both my parents lost one of their own parents when they were young.

my mum was approx 19yo when he dad died, my dad was in his late 20’s.
thinking back over comments said to me by my mum when I was in my 30’s and discussions about moving out, I think my mum might have had fear of abandonment issues.

from things I remember hearing, I was 1) completely unexpected. 2) cherished by grandparents, aunt, uncle. Early years, loved by my parents. ) Point 1, it was 4 months before I was born before my mum knew she was pregnant.). On side point, I was born naturally 3 weeks after due date and few days old before my mum first saw me

my mum was eldest in her family and 1st married, I was 11th grandchild born

one of my cousins has no children and is a much loved auntie. Nice those things

hoping you don’t have to wait long and all goes well with GP. Normal or specialised GP?

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@Flutterbug9

Back from GP appointment 😊 - just my normal GP, but was getting both the referral paperwork & pathology request papers for the research trial as well as a new certificate for work. ...reminds me I need to send that to work now! Interestingly he didn't mention my trip to the ED (but did have the discharge summary) -- classic example of why I am going to see a MH-specific GP in a few weeks (yay it got moved up a month closer) -- so I asked him to measure my blood pressure, since it was dangerously high on Saturday morning and still high in the afternoon (but not dangerous). Actually, just realised he didn't even ask about how the medication reduction is going -- I don't think he remembered / read that we discussed that last time that I was going to start that in the first week of January! But I guess I didn't think to bring it up for an update since it's so far been ok. Booked again to see him in 6 weeks (another indication that he has forgotten I am titrating off medications? 😂 and due to be completely off them by that time lol; but not a problem because I will see the MH GP in 2 weeks and she is probably better placed with that anyway!). Part of my referral was a thorough history, so we used one from a psychiatrist report a bit less than 1.5 years ago. Which is good because now I also have a copy of it lol, and I can also pass it to the new MH GP on the first appointment. However reading it I notice a number of incorrect things in the report 😒, most which are of little to no significance, but some of which are regarding the historical depression and doesn't give a correct picture of my type of depression. I will post a bit about this in my thread later, as I am curious whether others have had similar experiences with doctors not actually recording/reporting the correct factual information. And after mentioning this to my mum briefly, I also learned that in fact I first saw a psychiatrist when I was younger than I realised lol 😅 I thought I was 16, but her memory is I was 14. When we went over the timeline of how I ended up being referred to the pdoc I realised I would have been 14-15 at most lol.

That is quite amazing that your mother didn't know she was pregnant until 4 months prior to birth - but absolutely not unheard of. I know someone who didn't look pregnant until that stage, and so if an absence of cycles was not uncommon then yeah, absolutely understandable how that can happen.

I am glad your grandparents, uncle and aunt cherished you (but I am definitely noting the absence of some key people that are not mentioned there - *hugs*, but being indirect in a hope to be less pointedly painful). I am curious what are the best memories you have of them? Doing activities together, or ways they showed they loved you? (a most memorable gift even?)

I grew living away from my grandparents on both sides, as well as all the aunts & uncles & cousins. Initially they were all within 8 hours drive, until I was 4 and we moved further west - which then meant they were all a flight or a multi-day-drive away. I don't have many memories of seeing them as a child, except for a few things. A positive intellectual-memory is that my mum's father would make us soda spiders (ice cream in softdrink), later in my life once I was a young teen I remember visiting him once and he had a jar of chocolates he would offer us. It's interesting that my 3 memories of him were positive; I guess he was better as a grandfather than as a husband or father (or he mellowed with older age). I guess we also didn't see him often, and I think when he was with my grandmother she probably was the main interaction and he just made ice cream sodas 😅. That grandmother is the one that is remaining, and lives nearby me.

Being a long way from my paternal grandfather was of course a good thing, with later knowing. My cousins had much more exposure to him because they were living closer and saw them more often.

Whilst I am glad your mother recognised (finally!) the need for you to have your own bedroom, I am so that is was very late in the piece and that even then your father didn't seem to understand it. I am curious if you ever got the opportunity to discuss this with either of them, and why they did not consider it "needed" to have a separate bedroom until you were approaching puberty? I am guessing it was uncommon back then too for this to happen! I know sharing a room with a sibling is common (I did this until... around 7 or 8 I think? Although we were fortunate to have enough rooms that my sister was able to move into another room next to our shared bedroom. I have no idea what initiated that - if it was just because my parents felt it was time for us to have private space, or whether there was conflict or too much chatting when we were meant to be sleeping... I have no idea.)

"Street angel, home devil". I am interpreting this to mean that you were seen by your parents as behaving well in public but not at home? Is that correct or misunderstanding from me?

It is interesting because "raised to speak up for myself" is to me a healthy thing, but not something I would associate with either what others may typical say is "angel" or "devil" behaviour by a child. Some people of course being of the "seen and not heard" beliefs would say a child shouldn't "speak up for themselves" 😢 - but it was at home you were seen as a "devil", as I assume it was at home that you were taught to speak up ("raised")?

I am glad thought that you have this skill, because it is really important in life to be able to appropriately assert oneself and one's needs. 😊. And a lot of people who have not had secure childhoods with care and love have not felt safe to do this, and thus not learned (or have actively learned not to). I can imagine that grandfather would not have been easy to speak up for yourself to - how did it feel as a child when you tried to? I am guessing it is in this context that he was then saying you were "disrespectful" for disagreeing with him?

How did your parents respond to his attempts to control your behaviours & interests? (I note that your father was initially a good person, until the stroke). Did they support you? Were they fearing of standing up to him to defend you?

Fear of abandonment is very understandable - the lack of attention from your parents, the conditional-care/tolerance from your paternal grandfather, the passing of both your uncle at that time. I can also absolutely understand why hearing people you care and connect with talking of SI would trigger this fear also, and connection back to this young age with your uncle.

It sounds like things kept adding on in terms of the trauma and stress and challenges for you and your mother - the further passings of family members, the changes in your father post-stroke and resulting DV. I cannot imagine how destabilising and uncertain and scary that would have been. Your aunt, uncle, and grandmother gone, and your father no longer safe for you, plus the increasing control on your behaviours by your mother.

I am curious whether you were a "compliant" child at this time, with those behaviours, or whether you were strong-willed and pushed back against it? (No judgement attached to this at all -- both are very understandable behaviours, and responses to keep yourself safe and your needs met. I am just curious.)

Your fathers attitude when you began first form year reminds me a bit of very 'traditional country' expectations -- perhaps similar to some that your paternal grandfather may have held also?

Although having said this, I do perceive that there are 2 types of 'country views' on girls -- they either are "feminine" and do the housework and wear dresses, etc. Or they are treated more like the boys and have to do the farm work outside of school times. When i think about it, even though my aunty was clearly a tomboy growing up on the farm (from stories of her and the siblings), i do also recall hearing that she was expected to help her mum with housework whilst it was the boys who helped their father with the farm work. But I guess she was allowed to also play however she liked outside of these duties - or if she wasn't "allowed" she still did!

I don't ever recall talking to my parents about puberty; although I am sure my mother would have if I had asked. However by the time i was going through school, the school had "physical health education" classes in late primary school and high school (from the age where some children start to begin to see puberty changes; I was not an "early" developer so I guess I understood it before I reached that stage myself).

I feel like your experience of the taboo on puberty-talk is sadly similar to how it has also been for women with menopause. I know menopause is now become more talked about openly and not taboo, but from what I have heard from my older friends who are or have gone through it, until very recently it was socially not spoken of, and even medical professionals did not take it seriously often or treat it well. Yet both are such impactful physical and hormonal changes that can really change so much for a persons life and needs to be supported.

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(I'm going to leave the rest to respond to tomorrow. I am starting to feel fatigue from stress with work medical leave submission and the discrepancies in the pdoc report), but I want to also be able to check-in with a few of the others before I log off, and also want a short bit of downtime to calm and centre before the support group tonight).

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Without fully understanding the fatigue aspect, I get it.

i posted 2 big posts. Going to take time for anyone to work through etc @AlwaysMyself

i was almost finished a reply when got kicked out. Hoping it is auto saved. Will be there for you to read when you are next able to.

PLEASE, please, please don’t put lot of focus on just my posts each day

1) you need to take care of you and rest

2) you support so many people on the forums, no one can do everything every day

3) I’m happy, if works for you, to do catch up (especially with this 2 posts) once each few days ie couple times a week, both trying to keep posts short

4) good for both of us to chat about general things also. Letting me be one of your supports

have a think and let me know.

trust is there or I couldn’t have shared. Good for me to deal with the anxiety brain discomforts. Not going to get any easier if don’t have options to help me take next steps. 🤗💜

im going to get myself to trivia tomorrow afternoon no matter the internal discomfort.
Have one job I want to do tomorrow morning at home.

feel free to send me message if want/need to talk about the med cert concerns, or anything else

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That’s great to hear you only have short wait now until seeing specialist GP. My GP standard things she does, blood pressure check as soon as I sit down, regularly 3mthly blood test, 12 mth ecg (more often if concerns) plus regular 3mth appointment (which fits perfect with my meds). I became very aware of difference in different GPs where I used to attend prior to moving eg chronic neutropenic for many yrs and no referrals done. Referral by new GP to specialist after 4 consecutive blood tests.

thats one big difference in timeline and MH. Based on current knowledge I should have been referred to a specialist when I was 10yo. Knowledge wasn’t there at that stage of impact of events on children. I saw similar with cousin who is about 3 yrs younger me, apprentice butcher who was SH.

good memories

- early primary school, sleeping in large tent (blankets used to divide tent into separate areas) and watching penguin parade at night.

- mid to late primary school, my dad teaching how to snooker, trying to teach me how to play darts

- being bought bed doll in my favourite colour

- uuummmm ??

one set of cousins, 2 boys shared bedroom with their sister until the boys complained about their sister trying to peek when the boys getting changed. Boys were grade 5 and grade 6 and starting to develop. Little miss was about 5yo.

I was late developing and had no knowledge about what to expect. Remember the video and talk in firm 1 at high school about puberty, physical changes etc and trying to take it in. My dad furious when he found out both boys and girls were present

Looking back now it was a very strange situation and household that now a days could possibly be deemed borderline reportable. Parents getting full changed in room with 10yo girl present. No shower, bath only. Remember putting one cat in the bath to see if cat could swim (only curious, no harm intended), I would have been early primary. Fact my father was in the bath at the time never entered my young mind. I’m having quiet laugh to myself, remember one wet cat screaming and running outside, my dad yelling about having put the cat in the bath and, in general, getting told off by my mum. After that my dad remembered to make sure bathroom door was fully closed. Did I see anything I shouldn’t have, who knows.

you don’t need to say anything unless you choose to. If guessing, your paternal grandfather was not a ‘safe’ person to be around.

Based on what I was told, right up to preschool (I never got opportunity to go to kindergarten), away from home everyone thought I was very well behavioured. At home I was everything from well behaved to go out of my way to cause disagreements between parents. Daddy’s girl who, apparently from about 2 or 3, started to play on that. Think neighbours realised what was going on, my dad never did.

with my paternal grandfather, both my parents plus my uncle stood up for and supported me. From young age I knew I wanted to be a vet. I’d spent time outside, also enjoyed watching TV shows about animals and reading books. Unpleasant atmosphere when my paternal grandfather would start, didn’t change him. I never had good relationship with him.

in primary school I became compliant and better behaved. Mid primary, still stood up for myself when felt something wasn’t right. Apart from that, my nature was totally opposite to prior to starting school. Average teenage rebellion started early high school. At first with my dad I used to confront him. Learnt fairly quickly staying quiet, not answering back, crying in silence, not crying in front of anyone were ways to try to reduce my dad continue to escalate.

I’ve never been able to work out that side of my mum. Taught me basic information which never changed. Remember decades later he talking with one of my married male cousins. Comment of “everything continued just not what I was used to. Couldn’t believe it when Dr told me I was approx 5mths pregnant. We were just enjoying ourselves by then”.

females in my family appear to predisposed to me ovarian cysts. One condition that has shown up in my immediate cousins plus cousins with whom only shared ancestor was born just over 200 yrs ago. My mum was great at taking care of me on general level after each key hole surgery. She never seemed comfortable talking about the condition. My mum had already passed away before different surgeon did d&c followed by full hysterectomy about 12mths later.

(thought I missed something) cancer scare. Just after commencement of surgery in local hospital the surgeons had concerns, based on physical appearance of organs, that I had ovarian cancer and removed nothing. Week in hospital, week home, week in women’s hospital in another town. Surgery successfully complete and items sent for biopsy. Surgery early December with results taking lot longer than now. 100% all clear couple mths later. 10weeks on sick leave, gradual return to work. Back full time at work after 3 mths in total

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Hi @Jynx

few days ago on this thread I opened up and shared lots of things from my past.

have tagged you into one specific post

link Here also if quicker/easier to find.

made appointment today with hairdresser, appointment will be in couple weeks. Following thoughts and things shared in that post, planning on talking to hairdresser about complete different hair style as first step

thinking maybe something like this

really like the style. Had something similar years ago

interested to hear any thoughts etc you have on info shared

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@Flutterbug9 ooo love that style!! Very androgynous 😍

I don't know whether our trauma shapes our sexuality and gender, perhaps because it is rare (if not impossible) to find people whose sexuality/gender don't fit the 'norm' who haven't faced some sort of discrimination, bullying, or ostracisation - even if not overt, we are saturated with messages from media and our surrounding culture about what we're 'meant' to be or how we're 'meant' to behave. So when we deviate from that we are either punished, or made to feel like we're wrong or broken.

Curious about your experience with walking away from buying men's pj's - mainly about whether you remember any particular feelings coming up, or a blockage perhaps?

Good on your granddad! I agree - I judge people based primarily on how they treat others. No matter how 'weird' people are, if they are kind, I have time for them 😉

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