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Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

Hey guys,

Been a while. I am doing really well in many ways and I am struggling in many others of those who read other posts of mine 'highly functional/highly distressed". I am currently studying a masters in narrative practice and community work and working part time for a mental health organisation that will remain nameless. I have been trying to find work for another org and am not having much luck, why because the organisation I work for specialises in mental health and goes out of their way to destroy the mental health of their workers and offers no support.

This is genuinely the worst org I have ever worked for. Management is so overbearing and there are so many abuses of power on a daily basis that I have dissociated to a point where I feel almost no body sensations at all. I have written before about the split between 'professional and personal self' and now personal self has been locked away as I am living with so much distress my mind has shut off all emotions and almost all physical sensations.

I am held responsible for my mental health in the sense that I am not doing enough to look after myself, however I argue that this level of dissociation is an extreme form of self care. There were so many alarms ringing in the body that the mind has shut it off. I garden, walk, listen to music, write a blog, play with animals and do spend massive amounts of energy to take care of myself. What really bugs me is that management is so toxic and the organisation I work for worships managerialism and bureaucracy They offer the least amount of EAP sessions compared to any org I have worked for and offer no support for their staff as it is not their prerogative.

I have been desperately looking for work as I was ready to quit my job in the first month of starting, I have now been working for them for 6 months and as work in mental health is so hard to come by I have applied for another position in the same org (my contract was only ever temporary). If I can't find work in a relevant field I will have to drop out of the masters as I will be unable to meet the requirements for practical work.

I have never worked for and org like this before whose practices are so far removed from their mission statement. I have never in my life worked for an area manager as toxic as the one I am currently working for and I feel 'dirty' working for them as they blame the individuals for the organisations shortcomings. I have been gagged for being honest about the limitations of my role (as in I am finishing soon). Literally gagged for telling the people I work with (my phrase for clients) from the day I started that my contract is temporary. it is better practice to not tell people that you won't be supporting them long term because that may upset them (apparently??).

I feel like everything I believe in as a 'consumer' or should I say 'customer' in the current NDIS model of care (I say both words are horrible substitutions for the word people) and as a professional is being told to shut up and be quiet, because we don't support open, honest person centred practice here, we just like to say we do to ensure we get funding.

I have no social life, long term single, I live in community housing that can be nightmarish at times due to violence, theft and bad behaviour of neighbours. I have almost no family life and wonder why I bother to work towards change.

I don't know about others working in mental health, what do you guys think about the 'supporting nature' of the orgs you work for?

I have never been in this position before, I have never worked for a place that is so toxic to work in. My colleagues are great it is management up that is the problem and they wield their authority relentlessly.

A person I worked with took their life on Christmas eve, the last message I got from them was to wish me a merry Christmas. My organisation did almost nothing to support myself and another worker during this time. I had to fill out a 'staff impact form' and knowing that you can't speak honestly at this place, I told them what I knew they wanted to hear. When I asked about follow up from the form, I was told that it is not managements prerogative to provide any feedback or follow trough. I mean seriously! I even got questioned over my ability to maintain my own mental health last week and have it in writing that I am to make more of an effort to look after myself to ensure that I am 'on top of my game'. Of course they didn't ask about the impact that work is having,nor did they allow anytime for discussion, they just put it on me to look after myself better. This is how we treat mental health in general in this country, we blame the individual and ignore the context of their lives.

I really needed to get this off my chest as it is metaphorically killing me. They are a big org and well 'branded' so I have to choose my words carefully.

Below is something that started in a support group I used to attend, this one document has lead to a project that is aimed at challenging organisations (like the one i work for) perceptions of what mental health is. It is now heading towards a peer created DSM-IVme (literally Diagnostic statistical manual for me!) and an ar exhibition is in the works.

Yet my org has blocked any attempt for me to pass any of these sorts of activities around through the various teams because ti doesn't have my orgs branding on it. Um that is the point guys, it is not about the system, the orgs or the experts, it is about the people who live with mental ill-health talking about it in their way, in their time, using their words!

I am not unwell..

I am someone who sometimes is viewed as being “too” emotional and sometimes not emotional
enough.

I am someone who sometimes sees things from a skewed “dysfunctional” perspective that doesn't
necessarily reveal a “true” picture and also someone who sometimes sees things clearly despite
what he is being told.

I am someone who sometimes thinks too much and sometimes not enough.

I am someone who sometimes says too much, who sometimes says things I regret, who sometimes
really means what I say even if it is not being heard and sometimes I barely speak at all.

I am someone who is sometimes sorry and sometimes someone who is not.

I am someone who is visible sometimes and hidden at other times.

I am someone who sometimes feels too much and sometimes feels nothing at all.

I am someone who sometimes laughs and someone who sometimes can barely raise a smile

I am someone who sometimes cries even though sometimes I don’t understand why.

I am someone who has underdeveloped skills in some areas and someone who is highly skilled in
others.

I am someone who sometimes feels frail and weak and someone who sometimes feels strong and
powerful.

I am someone who has survived, who lives, who changes, who grows and sometimes I am someone
who believes he is nothing at all.

All of these things amount to one thing…

I am Doc_Gonzo and I am someone who is complex and that complexity makes me human and
my humanity is not an illness to be cured.

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

@Doc_Gonzo. It's near impossible to look after your mental health when you are working in such a toxic environment. I'm sorry you are experiencing this.
Chat with your gp or a social worker at centrelink about your health. There may be something they can do.
Don't give up on putting your health first.

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

Hi @Doc_Gonzo

It was good to see your familiar profile. It has been ages since you posted here. I am glad you have had study and work ... and that you are one of the good guys.

My main purpose in joining this forum as been to prevent suicide and raise awareness. I am sorry to hear about the passing of your client. That has to effect you .. and people in general. It is right and proper that it does, but please dont take it personally. Dont let them scapegoat you. I believe you put in best effort.

I am upset that your workplace is so toxic and hipocritical. Pressing lips together as I type. I know its not just the churches. It is something about power, the bad side of human nature in groups and big organisations, over indulgence, and complacency of those in positions of power.

I still have some unresolved issues with a lady in authority in a well named MH workplace .. from a choir a year ago ..who might have to face up to the fact I am still around .. in the next few weeks .. we will see what happens .. but it was obvious to me that she was in it for the money .. re standard of clothes real estate and frequency of travel lifestyle ... hmm ...

but I do aim to be taken seriously ... when pushed aside .. I may not fight at the time .. but I dust myself down and get up again .. with yet another story .. to fire me up.

I am sorry you had such a hard time at work. You would feel pressured all around seeing people struggling and in lower socieconomic situatiions .. from community housing envirnoment .. to your clients ("people I work with" LOVE THAT you apply that phrase so meaningfully.)

I am glad that you remembered to come and at least tell your story here so we .. and the part of the world that is interested can read it.

I am figuring you have been one of the "front guard" in the BATTLE against MENTAL ILLNESS. Please keep looking after yourself and posting when relevant. The only way to change things is to bring such situations to the light of day.

Shame on the unnamed organisation.

I gather that you are very experienced in self managing and self care .. and that it is not your lack .. in this situation ..

On a slight tangent .. last weekend on my big concert gig .. chatted to a few people (including doctors) about workplace issues .. that were far from ideal .. including .. musical and community health workplaces.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

That you have managed to get the study and work in the first place .. is testament to your diligence.

Apple

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

hello @Appleblossom @Doc_Gonzo

I was happy to read that your already knew Doc, Appleblossom.

That would be of more comfort being heard by a familiar friend.

I am glad that you found him again, your words spoke of many things, I did pick up on that

yes Doc, we are listening, hearing about your hard efforts, you cannot do it all alone though

yes keep on but when you are in better health

please visit your doctor and take care of you

I know only too well, because I have been told the same

we believe in you take care

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

I can't sleep, I hae bullying, harrasment and discrimination running through my mind. They are sitting in the room and claring at me asking me what am I going to do about them. My org's policies prohibit all of the above and the mental health act, the disability act (among a number of other pieces of legislation) prohibit the sort of tactics that are being applied.

Having the audacity of guilt tripping me for asking for an hour off each fortnight to see a therapist who is an essential part of my self care toolkit. By pointing out how unfair it is to other staff for me to be treated differently to them. Their own ploicies state that they openly accomodate any reasonable adjustments to working conditions for poeple with disabilities and take so much pride in this beleif that it is included in pretty much everything. The problem is the potential backlash on those whose feet are on the ground, these workers I respect a lot and there are many of them.

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

@Doc_Gonzo. Those policies are like Degrees hanging on the wall. They are just for bragging rights. Nothing more.

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

@Doc_Gonzo I am online too late as usual .. but saw you post again.

I just read a policy on disclosure and choice on IMCV website .. also some job ads. You are probably elsewhere .. ... find a way to get through this.

https://imvc.com.au

You probably already know that stuff .. but if we are told it is alright to disclose but it is not really .. then that message needs to get turned around .. or there should be accountability.

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

@Doc_Gonzo I have absolutely no words of wisdom, but your dilemma is highlighting to me, my own dilemma. I have not yet shared this anywhere on the forums but...I have an honours degree in psychology. I had never really thought about going into practice, but seeing how many useless psychologists there are out there, I really think I could do better. Not because I'm some fluffy intuitive people person (I'm definitely not that!!!), but because I actually value evidence-based practice and I would work with clients to understand their presenting issues and then develop a case formulation and treatment plan based on the research. However, my own muddle is extremely big and right now I can't see how I could ever get through an internship or masters program, or work well in an organization without my own stuff coming up. I believe I could work well with clients, but I can very much see myself running into the same issues that you are facing in your organization. It is so frustrating! It almost seems like consumers are implicitly shut out of the profession, which might go some way to explaining why what most psychologists provide is a mismatch for what clients actually need. I have already had two workplace incidents which occurred in very low stress blue-collar roles. I know that I would need a lot of support to get through an internship and I can see that that support probably doesn't exist because as you describe, a lot of organisations tend to espouse one set of values and yet actually work according to an entirely different set. What you said about not being able to disclose to clients that you wouldn't be able to work with them long-term is apalling. Nope, I know I definitely couldn't handle that sort of working environment.

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

@Doc_Gonzo. All the best with todays interview. I hope the organization is a good fit with you and that they 'walk the talk'.

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@Doc_Gonzo, I agree with @Phoenix_Rising, its 'appalling' what you've had to put up with let alone be productive within. So many ethical breeches. And why is it so hard to support staff (review practise & staff moral) rather than take zero accountability and brush you off - 'manage ya own mental health...' HOW RUDE! And in the 'caring' services. I know it well. I needed support coming back into nursing after a breakdown (months in hospital) but was abruptly told "sink or swim here" & "just do what ya paid for" Well, I dropped out, took up studies in different field but my limited fundsv& IT processions & moral support - I couldn't manage there either. so just to a bit of paid casual when it comes up and volunteer work. Mix of community service and shop assistance. A far cry from being an RN midwife.

Doc_Gonzo, do you have ANY support? If you were my son i'd suggest you defer and take a 6month break sittingbon the beach or at a health farm. You know ya burning out, and coming from someone whose lost it all - its not worth it, you are! But glad ya trying for a workplace shift. I hope they're better but seems to me its across the board. Have to build you external or personal friend support system and inner resources. I highly recommend mindfulness meditations (noticing without judgement), tai chi. swimming and Self-Compassion. All the best today. xox

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Re: Working in the field, living with the very things my organisation supposedly supports AND I AM OVER IT!

@Phoenix_RisingSome org's look after their workers well. I worked for a differnt org previous to my current role and found them to be very supportive of my mental health (depending on the team you worked for). My supervisor may not have understood a lot of what was going on at the time, but he did make the effort to ensure I was able to voice what was going on often and provide options where possible.

I have worked for numerous places that I have felt have been very supportive in their own way so it is worth exploring what is out there and getting a feel for a place. If you are concerned for how it may impact you or how you may go within a specific environment, then perhaps volunteering there for a while may give you the insight you need to form a position of that particular org.

I am going for a job interview today for an org that I know by reputation and I am hoping that they are not going to turn out to be another 'myth'.

They are such a conservative organistion and are full of themselves.

I have already made it clear that I am leaving my current place of org, (to my team leader, because management doesn't feel it is good practice "to share information until we are absolutely sure what is going to happen, so best practice is to keep it yourself and let people deal with it when it happens" no problems two can play at that game :).

I keep encouraging myself to focus on the bigger picture , A) I am getting a steady paycheck ( I hate this as I am more than this, however it is important) b) STUDY! c) I am moving on and hopefully soon I will be out of this

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