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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Almost forget to mention

@AlwaysMyself some of the dates on my MH timeline are approx.

some I managed to get dates from online family tree

Some are dates that feel like are engrainedinto my memories/ imprinted into my mind.

took me multitude of times on my laptop making changes to approx dates, adding occasions that I had forgotten about. Try not to get worried about and bogged down into getting things as close to exact as possible.

suggest leave what you’ve done for a few days then read over it at that stage. Might find things become bit clearer or remember, even little, bits that didn’t the first time.

personsl experience with MH and medical timelines, don’t beat oneself up about getting it all on paper and/or having it in order etc. high risk of spiralling if try focussing and concentrating too intensely

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Go easy on yourself @Flutterbug9 . Take your time with sharing only what you are comfortable with. It sounds like you have experienced so much in your like. I hope you find this a therapeutic experience for you, and something that will help with healing as opposed to hinderingn recovery.

I'm reading along, and often, in my head, I'm speechless.

Thank you for trusting the community and sharing.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

All good @tyme

I don’t share if I’m not comfortable eg details relating to my employment and department names.

there are things from my past in “my story” I chose not to include.

writting about my life experience contains no emotions at all. It’s like I’m telling a ‘fantasy’ story.

talking about my past with the right therapist is when the emotions tend to come into play.

thanks for your concern. Much appreciated

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself , I've just sent you a quick email.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@tyme edits made. No probs. Let me know if anything i missed - or totally OK for someone else to reword it better instead to still give general meaning. 😊

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Shaz51 Hello lovely how are you? I’m really not good. I’m full of dread and panic. Trying to do something anything to help.

@AlwaysMyself How are you? How has your week gone?

@Flutterbug9 Hello friend. How are you? I’ve been unwell trying to lift myself. What’s your week been like?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

ohh hugs @Cuddlebear , and sitting with you my friend

have you had anything to eat or drink this morning 😍

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @AlwaysMyself !

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear I'm doing OK. Friends just left from coffee out, but I'm hanging back to keep painting to chill. Dogs are at my ex's so i dont have to be home for them 😊.

Are you feeling any better this evening than earlier in the day?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Some very general similarities in our work backgrounds too @Flutterbug9 , as well as some differences of course too. 😊

Had an interesting/good conversation with my mum this morning about my dad. Convo began because he sent a message to a chat with my sister and I which was quite insensitive -- i know he doesn't intend them that way, but despite being told he doesn't change how he says things to us. In reflection with my mum, i think he has been "reverting" back to not caring if he offends/upsets us because he no longer "needs" us socially like he did when he was between marriage to my mum and his current wife. Over the last few years he has becomr very complacant about it and not caring about it.

"Over thinking and over reacting", even though i only explained to him *why* we may not respond well to the comment he made (without saying what he said was wrong or blaming him or anything - just *why* it may evoke feelings in *us* due to our life circumstances).

*shakes head in resignation* he used to be able to take this feedback on (even if he didnt personally agree or "see" it) and try to adapt accordingly for when talking to us. He no longer seems to care to do that, now he just wants to deflect it as not his concern i guess. Shame.

But i'm ok - i talked to mum about it to debrief. It makes sense that he only adapted when he had no other "loved ones" to talk to so he didnt want to alienate himself from us.

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