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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello lovely! @AlwaysMyself

I am heading off in a moment, but I wanted to check-in before I go.

It sounds like you have had a very big day! It's wonderful insight to know that feelings come first - this is why I often talk about soothing the body. When the body feels safe, the thoughts slow down with it.

You're right here too: But i guess MH/MI doesnt have to make sense does it. Sometimes it just is.

Our body/mind experiences so many different sensations and thoughts throughout the day and a number of things can make certain ones stick. I can imagine that trying to understand it could also be perpetuating the experience to a degree... so, I wonder what would happen if you allowed it to be there without assigning a narrative? 💛

Perhaps hearing that your mum cares is the very thing your nervous system needs to feel safe right now? You're allowed to follow that need (it doesn't make you needy). Big hugs. 🥰

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @AuntGlow . I'm heading to bed, next stage of winding down to hopefully get to sleep by 11pm would be good. Hope ypu have a good evening post-work - whether it be straight to bed, or having some winddown before. Or i wont judge maybe you go out partying after work till 4am lol. 😊

Yes, i try to just acknowledge the thoughts and feelings and not buy into them, once i have checked to make sure there is nothing underlying them that i can do anything about or pay note as a trigger to work on later. I suppose posting was my way of doing this, since trying to do it just inside my head wasnt effective first.

Sometimes the thoughts are first. But tonight i think it was the weary feelings. Perhaps even when i now reflect it could have been my grandma's situation that caused the initial shift to a negative mood via irritation.

I kept doing my painting along with the tv, and it has kept the mood and thoughts at bay.

Will see how i go now i am laying in bed.

Grateful that playing games on phone makes my eyes and brain sleepy (rather than the opposite stimulation), so that can keep my brain distracted in a less stimulating way, plus lessen my back pain now im laying down.

Take care and sleep well.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Morning @AlwaysMyself ☀️ come to say hello and see what you are up to today? I hope you can keep cool, looks like you have some warm weather 😊

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Oh this heat is torture. Currently 44 here today and still rising. In parts of Victoria it could hit 50. Absolutely tragic summer.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Oh, yes, today is the super-hot day for VIC! Thinking of you @Cuddlebear @Chasingsunsets @Flutterbug9 . I was in my car earlier and looked at the temperature and it was 35, and I thought to myself "oh, only 35? That's good! It was predicted to get to 41." then I realised, no, today is only Tuesday - tomorrow (Wednesday) is our hot 41 day! 😅

You can blow the hot air up to us overnight lol.

Hope the air-cons are working well for you all. Maybe a nice iced drink or frozen treat even.

I am hoping it won't be too hot in the morning, so that my dog walker can still come as usual before the day gets hot. If he decides its too hot for him (eg if he is running late!), hopefully he will remember to message me to tell me he is not coming.

Tomorrow I hope it is cooler for you - then you can tease me for having to suffer a hot day instead!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 lol! Sums it up perfectly! Thwt support button still not working for me.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Air con and 2 ceiling fans been on since mid morning. 5:30pm 25 inside, outside has decreased to 38. Atm 30 predicted for Friday and Saturday.

dinner for me then bed, feels like nothing better to do

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hope bedtime helps @Flutterbug9 , but also remember that we care here and there are also a few places to call to chat to people if that helps (I hear ListenWell is good - but not yet tried them; being peer-led I have higher hopes for them. Interested to know if others here have tried them and what their experience has been).

I will be in group from 6-7:30pm. But can be back to chat if you want/need after?

And the group is of course open to anyone to call in, so that is also an option if you wanted support (doesn't even need real name or video or voice or location, etc so you can even go and no one knows who you are. There are people's username I've seen a number of time, but never spoken/typed - just helps them to listen and that's OK too.) I think I've shared before one to you the links to these groups around Aus in case it helps.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning


@AlwaysMyself wrote:

@Jynx I have heard the term before in passing (or perhaps just because the two words together make sense?), but not a clear idea of it so I have googled it.

Google's AI summary (for other readers too)

Learned helplessness is a psychological state where a person, after repeated exposure to uncontrollable negative situations, stops trying to change their circumstances, believing their actions are futile, even when opportunities for escape or improvement exist.

I definitely feel the lack of motivation to continue trying things (or re-trying), for example when thinking about whether I am willing to trial different medications in the future. And in the past for a long time I didn't get a new pdoc/psych because i had no belief that they would be able to impact anything more than maintain support (i.e. not improve), and I wasn't prepared to spend so much money on that.

However I feel that its more a case of perhaps "learned hopelessness" - although not sure that that is such a term lol. And the reason I make this distinction is that I know I still can if I am willing -- thus not "helpless". In many things in life I have continued to do things even if i don't believe or have hope that it helps.

I understand the "in another world I would have loved the chance to sit and have this discussion with you at length". But its better to know you here than not know you at all.

The only peer-support place I can talk about it is the weekly online group. But of course it's not somewhere that I can speak every week because being a group it is just as important to remember to give space for others to talk and share -- and depending on how many people there are. This week it would have been good to share, but I chose not to because I had shared a little the prior week when we had less people, and this week we had a number of new or only-attend-when-in-crisis people who I wanted to give priority to. But it was good that I could still be there via online and listen to them whilst crying. I just didn't feel any better or worse afterwards lol.


@AlwaysMyself 'learned hopelessness' ought to be a term coined, if it hasn't been already!! I think in particular, modern life and the way the current systems we are entrenched in have tied our basic needs to our ability to make money, means that even if we are 'able', doesn't mean we are going to be 'willing' - for instance, being unwilling to sacrifice one's personal values in order to engage in behaviours (such as taking advantage of others in order to make money) that might make things 'better' or 'easier'.

I guess sometimes it's about ensuring that sense of 'hopelessness' doesn't then spread into being unwilling to engage in other activities that could be beneficial (not at all saying that this is something I've observed in you, more just a general statement). I think about the 'gallows humour' of some of my generational peers (I'm a millennial) where folks joke that their 'retirement plan' is just to await the fall of civilisation.

Really glad that you have that safe space with your peer support group. And hearing that you choose when to share with such a community-mindset is really warming to read. You're a good egg 😋 I hope you are able to share more in the next one! 💜

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself How was the meeting?

Yes I’d recommend giving recovery group a go. It’s a chatty space thwt suits us chatters lol. It’s also a safe and supportive space and we even have a giggle sometimes. 🙂

It’s so hot still! The flat I’m in the air con is so old you can barely notice it at all. Tomorrow is cooler but then heats up again.

I do hope the dog walker does come on time. It’s especially important on hot days. Wilbur was indoors all day except for toileting. The heat kicked in very early.

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