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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself completely understand sweet.

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Good evening, lovely @AlwaysMyself,

So good to hear about this potential newer support!! 🤩 Please keep us updated.

I am so sorry to hear that things are feeling heavy... I wonder what might be making things feel so big in the body?

You have mentioned pain and fatigue, which are such valid reasons for feeling exhausted and heavy... aside from painting and TV, what do you think your body is telling you it needs most tonight? 🫶

Here for you too @MissGremlin @Shaz51 @Flutterbug9 @Cuddlebear 🥰

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I hope you're okay, lovely. I will be back on Thursday and will make sure to check-in then. If you can, I encourage you to explore your close connections that feel safe and grounding. I trust they will want to be there for you right now. @AlwaysMyself 💛

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

No known trigger today @AuntGlow . Only thing i can think of possibly would be the discussion with the service this morning. But i was feeling OK when they left. Only thing would be because it brings the thoughts already in my mind into verbalisation. Or maybe somehow going through the process feels like effort - even though it really isnt much and isnt tiring (they come to me).

Maybe part of me being half-prepared to be disappointed again if it doesn't pan out? But it sounds like they are happy for me to be provided support (i.e. eligible), just a matrer of which worker has capacity.

I guess part of me has a feeling of "will the person "get me"?" Because im not a typical presentation, and im not an early-intervention like most if their work is aimed it. I'm at the other end of the process. I'm tired of people not understanding, professionals taking a while to understand that i dont need the traditional cbt/ba/etc approaches, that im not a high or volatile emotion person or acting on feelings to cycle depression or have negative self-image...

I wish there was a way to not have to explain it again and again to people. It doesnt feel traumatic - but its tiring. And i wonder if it accidently reinforces it in my brain when i voice it.

I went offline because my mum came upstairs to watch tv. She could tell then from my affect that i wasnt having a good evening with my thoughts. But what can anyone do, right? Just distract me with tv.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I can't really ask myself what it needs in these moods because the answer is... well... acceptance, permission and assistance to act.

I know i will never get that. But its all my mind or heart wants at those times.

Accepting that isnt happening... what does it need? Well.... nothing helps - so in a perfect world a tranquiliser dart to pass the time unconsciously until my brain resets after sleep would be ideal lol. Unconscious would be better than feeling.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I just wanted to touch on this message before I leave! @AlwaysMyself

"Only thing would be because it brings the thoughts already in my mind into verbalisation." - this is a perfectly valid reason to be feeling activated, because you're bringing big feelings or thoughts into the forefront. And even though maybe your conscious mind might not think it's as big as it is, it doesn't mean your body doesn't feel it. Preparing for or fearing disappointment when you have experienced challenges in the past is also such a human reaction to what you are going through. 💛

And yes, this makes so much sense. If it's any consolation, the more you have shared, the more I feel I 'get' you. I understand that this would be tiring, but I have so much hope and faith that there will be someone out there who will resonate with you and be able to support you in the ways that you need.

I know it's easier for me to say from the outside looking in, but I just wanted to share that with you.

This must be such a heavy feeling to experience. I know that these moments must feel utterly all-encompassing. Can we try for a reset? To get some rest and check-in tomorrow? I won't be back for a couple of days, but please tag me and let me know how you're feeling?

Please stay safe and know we are here for you, okay? Big hugs. 🥰

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself sorry to hear you are struggling. It seems this has increased a bit lately. Do you think it is a bit of a reaction to ceasing work?
I read that you might get some support is that through a local MH service?

Sorry I haven’t been keeping up with people on the forums so I’m not really sure.

I think we have some similarities with our MH struggles so I just wanted you to know you are not alone in some of the things you seem to be feeling.
It’s great that you have some activities to help pass the time. It seems you don’t think that engaging in these activities modifies your mood or motivation if so, I can definitely understand.

I don’t know if it’s a help to know that other people have similar feelings. It doesn’t “fix” the problem but maybe you can find some connection or even some comfort in not being alone in how you feel.

I was reading a New Scientist article about how exercise might be as good as medication for depression. I already do exercise a few times a week, maybe I need to really increase that for it to have a benefit.

Do you do any physical activities?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello sweet @AlwaysMyself, just thought I'd check in to see how you are doing today ❤️.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely how are you? How is the taper going?

I think you are right it’s all virtue signalling. I’m really sorry though about what happened with your work. That is awful and a traumatic thing to experience. The Manager should not have done what they did. I’m glad that HR did support you because the whole point is to be able to say I’m not ok. I find a lot of virtue signalling in mental health whether it’s work or personal lives.

I can enjoy some games online but in truth I’m not really a gamer sort of person. I can check out Word with Friends see what it’s like. I find online games a bit tricky but I’ll give it a go.

Im pretty sure if we had randomly met at some social event or happened to work on sane team that we would end up being good friends. I could teach you some good Greek cooking and you could teach me your favourite recipes! Then we’d have to take fur babies for walks because we’d be eating and chatting and need to walk for exercise lol! But I understand SANE rules so hopefully Moderators understand it’s just day dreaming sort of thing.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thinking of you @AlwaysMyself 😍

Hello @Cuddlebear , @MissGremlin , @Till23

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello beautiful @Shaz51 ❤️

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