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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Cuddlebear , saw the email notification come through whilst im on hold on a call so im quickly popping on to read and reply to you 😊.

Sorry you are still feeling anxious and worthless and unloved. That is a horrible feeling to be sitting alone with.

Would it be at all helpful for you to chat about why you feel unloved and worthless?

I am wondering if there is some way to help you with these thoughts, which in turn may then help with the ongoing depression?

I certainly find you worthwhile and loveableand I hear that your daughter does too) so from my perspective I have a hunch that these beliefs may be from trauma and/or depression-brain. 🥰

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @Till23 😊. Good to know you are home again now - would love to hear how it went and will try to pop over to your thread sometime (tomorrow?) to see if you have already written something, so you dont have to repeat yourself again lol.

That sounds very relevant, i will go and have a look. I can listen to YT whilst doing other things so that makes it easier to fit in 😊. Thank you for mentioning.

Hoping to get the info re: trial referral details and what tests i need to do within the next 1-2 weeks. Fingers crossed. That will be the start of the formal eligibility process.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello my friend.

Because I have just my daughter and since I got sick all my friends just ignore me. Except 1 who is very good. I’ve been abandoned pretty much despite being a trustworthy friend.

I can’t help but feel worthless and unloved. I do have complex ptsd and grew up with family violence and child sex abuse. But the thing is why does no one want to be my friend F2F. I pay People to do things with me via NDIS. I can’t help being disabled but I’m not a bad person. I just want to be able to have people who think I’m someone valuable who want to spend time with me.

I’m so alone and it hurts a lot. The trauma and depression do make me feel this way but also life circumstances.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear Know this might sound weird.

I got part of this from someone on a different thread (might of been Dreamy or Captain24, I can’t be certain though)

these are only thoughts and ideas.

please don’t feel under any type of pressure to do any of them

- taking time each day to solely focus on a pet, I’ll choose Wilbur for this example

- taking time to feel Wilbur’scoat, his ears, his paws etc.

- taking time to brush Wilbur

- taking time to, out aloud, to say and tell Wilbur all the love that’s in your heart for him

- taking time to focus on Wilbur and what he would say to you if he could talk.
- letting him “talk” to you about his feelings for you

i remember you saying your parrot says “I love you”.

- taking time to let yourself absorb the words plus the feelings they covey

- let those words travel through you and let yourself “feel” them

I know is not the same as having human company and F2F friends. I know what that’s like. I know the pain it causes and how much it hurts.

our pets each love us in their own way and have their own ways of showing how much they love us.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear

fyi if you ask a question and I don’t answer it’s because I prefer not to.

was nice of you asking how I am. I’ve got few things that are sitting heavy on my mind atm that I need to work through myself. Don’t want to talk about them either.

wasn’t ignoring you and your question. Sorry if I gave that impression.

please give Wilbur and the cats some pats for me

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @Cuddlebear


@Cuddlebear wrote:

since I got sick all my friends just ignore me. Except 1 who is very good. I’ve been abandoned pretty much despite being a trustworthy friend.

... But the thing is why does no one want to be my friend F2F.


I wonder if perhaps it is more a reflection on your friends, rather than on you?

Has it only been since you got sick? (How long ago was that? More than the past year?)

I noticed a lot of my friends grew distant (did not contact or visit) when they went through changes in life stages -- whether it was starting university, moving further away, getting a boyfriend (or married), having a child ... I have had some friends who never reached out to me when I stopped going to an activity that we used to do together - they stopped inviting me to other events also, for example. However in these cases, I have come to find that it has been a mixture of them having a more busy life (partners, children, etc) or me being "out of sight, out of mind" (university, moving away, ceasing an activity). But I don't think it was anything personal about me - other than of course their family are a higher priority.

Having said that though, I do know there are also "friends" who may disengage from a friendship sadly because they don't know how to sit with someone in their pain, and it is uncomfortable for them (again, not about the individual who is in pain, but rather their own inability to handle that themselves). I recall talking to someone once who talked about going to the funeral of a close friend's young child; but they mentioned nothing about compassion for that friend - their comment was that they told their husband that they will never do that again because they cannot / do not want to bear to see people in that much grief/pain again. And they were serious - that is someone else close to them had lost a child, they would not attend the funeral. Nothing to do with anything the friend did or did not do -- just that they could not handle/face the sight of pain/grief emotionally.


@Cuddlebear wrote:

I can’t help being disabled but I’m not a bad person. I just want to be able to have people who think I’m someone valuable who want to spend time with me.


😍 "I'm not a bad person". 100% correct. You are not a bad person. You are a good person. A loveable person. A person worthwhile getting to know.

It can be so difficult to meet people - and I expect even more so when you have limited mobility to get out independently. And most people we see day-to-day aren't also looking for more friends / have spare time, which makes it even harder again. I've felt this myself with wanting to find more friends whom I feel connected to, who like to have meaningful discussions. I do believe people are out there, it just a challenge to find them!

What did spending time with your friends look like, before they began to withdraw? (E.g. Coffee and a chat? Doing an activity together?)

I wonder if there is any activities you can do to meet new people?

For example, one of my friends that I do connect a bit more deeply with I met through my volunteer mentoring - because after the 1:1 mentoring with a student, we have a debriefing session with all the mentors so we get to know each other a little. (I will add, I do reckon you have the skills to do the same youth mentoring I do if you had the interest to. 😊). And I guess because it was a group of mentors we all have some similar interest -- talking to people about life! So I guess that also increased the odds of meeting someone I can share a connection with.

I know attending group activities is especially hard for you. I wonder if there are online group activities that make it both physically easier and socially/anxiety "safer" for you? 🤔 It's not the same as face-to-face, but if they were Melbourne-region based groups, then people who get to know you could then also become face-to-face friends (unlike here where we are restricted from that option).

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely how are you? How are you feeling with the taper? I hope it is going well.

My friends did withdraw after I got sick. We would talk daily online and also do things at each others houses and go out together too. I was always there for them and didn’t rely on them for disability support. When I got sick they just withdrew. Not even keeping in touch online which I’ve tried to do. I feel betrayed and used in a way and rejected. I thought my close friends wouldn't be like that. But here I am alone. My friends lives havnt changed they are people always posting about are you ok days and mental health yet can’t just send me messages to have normal chats. Or use zoom to have like a zoom lunch together or something.

ui understand thet people can find it very hard to see a loved friend struggling. But honestly I don’t go in about it I try to have normal social time. I just feel I’m of no use to them anymore. Thwts where the worthlessness comes in which I’ve had since being abused as a child.

It is really hard to meet people with limited mobility deafness and sight loss. I’ve tried and even looked for online groups but I can’t find anything I can do. Even workers from mental health services can’t find accessible rhings for me. So many social things are for able bodied people.

I have tried so many ways. I live in the outer suburbs where it’s cheaper so that also limits stuff I can engage in. Places like Vision Australia and Guide Dogs don’t do social gatherings. Deaf blind organisation does do some but they are far away from me. Local Council only does activities for over 65.

You’ve made excellent suggestions and I really want to thank you.

Id love to see SANE do social stuff online like they do with the Recovery Group that would help.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 Hello lovely. I hope today is a better day for you.

It’s totally ok not to answer any questions.

I can tell you are going through a lot and if you don’t want to discuss that is totally ok and not at all a problem.

Just know that I am here for you.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 Thank you. Yes I do this with Wilbur. He’s a very loving boy and gentle. My parrot and cats are very good too.

It helps animals are magnificent. I’d just love some humans around too.

Thank you for taking the time to make such beautiful suggestions.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Reading about your "friends" who post about MH and R U OK day, etc, but withdrew and stopped contact with you when you got unwell and most needed support brings to mind the phrase "virtue signalling" @Cuddlebear . It sounds like they say they care about MH but don't then change their own behaviour to align with those values they speak of.

Reminds me a bit of last year at work - my workplace promotes R U OK Day and has posters up all year about asking how people are and that is OK to say you're not OK. A coworker asked me one day how things were going and I said "I'm still here at least". A few days later my senior manager told me that the person told them I was "being negative" in the workplace and their shared concern that "it might affect others negatively". Yeah, i shut down and emotionally disconnected from them both after that! I also mentioned it to HR (who I had already been talking with about different workplace & MH issues) and they at least affirmed for me that what I said when asked how things were was OK to say, and that being told not to say Im not going well is not OK.

And yeah, that senior manager always goes on about wanting to create a "safe space" and psych safety to speak up and support each other.

Do you enjoy word games online like Word With Friends? @Shaz51 tells me you can play woth strangers, so you don't even need to know people first. 😊

We can keep spending time and chatting together online here of course! 😊 but i do know its not the same as f2f. But its not a matter of you not being "enough" for face-to-face friendships -- i still reckon if i met you in a coffee group or craft group or MH support group i'd still gravitate towards you and be a close friend face to face 😊. I'd actually love to be able to do some things like tactile craft or watching a movie or co-cooking with you if i could. Even going short dog walks together as long as it was a flat area lol (i cant do hills); i walk slow too! And the dogs like to sniff.

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