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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@tyme I have responded

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @Till23 . I'll have a look

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AlwaysMyself

The mods edited out a thing I put in my previous post, because the way I wrote it initially sounded as though I was currently thinking of suicide, whereas I was saying that in past month I have had a very close call. I am currently safe and have a full week of things coming up to keep me ok.

I just wanted to let you know you are also talking to someone who has chronic suicidal ideation since my 20s, although I have disliked myself since I was subject to CSA as a child. So although I pretty much always wish I wasn't here etc, I currently have no actual plans or serious thoughts

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I did wonder if the edited comment was something to do with current intent. I appreciate your openness and honesty @Till23 *hugs*. I would love to help support you too as much as I can and you'd be open to accepting care. 🙂

I've had SI desire since I was 11. I had CSA too (but not frequent or severe, but it still impacted me) and hated my body as a young person because I saw it as making me vulnerable (being a female = target for predators). Thankfully I had a great, safe, male friend (faux-dad?) in my later teens that really helped me learn that not *all* males are like that, and I could learn to trust again. 🙂 I think back to how I was as a 14 year old and realise how far i've come with that. But I do wonder if it has affected my view of the world which I see as "realistic" and not something I like or value.

Here for you too @Till23 .

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AlwaysMyself thanks

I don't think you can rank CSA, such as whether it is "frequent or severe" the fact that it happened is the key thing.

It can change your whole world view and often lead to changed, and most frequently, negative perceptions of yourself.

I am glad that you found a supportive person when you were younger as this is important for mental health.

Content/trigger warning
Unfortunately for me, although the abuse occurred decades ago, I did not have any supports for decades and tried to get through life on my own.
I still hate my body. When I had to be semi naked everyday for radiotherapy for cancer, a couple of years ago, it caused a spiralling downwards of MH because people were seeing my semi-naked body and I could no longer cover up the scars (I was also tortured). I had not been naked, or even semi-naked in front of anyone since the abuse. I have had suicide ideation for decades as well, but have only made a few attempts.

So I think I have some idea about how it feels to have a kind of grumbling suicideal ideation throughout a person's life.

Unfortunately, I cannot help you with any resources regarding organisations that directly help with this situation.

There is an organisation called Roses in the Ocean that utilises lived experience people in their offerings. I am going to try out more about them. I'll certainly let you know if I find out anything useful

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thank you @AlwaysMyself I probably overthink and can be too careful at times. I come from a background of multiple CSA, to multiple people who died young, so I can be triggered by many things, and actually am not overly comforted by current mainstream management of suicidality, mine or in the general community. I see it as a current life purpose to be alert and on the watch in this field, while also struggling to get a life worth living. Problem is we are all individuals, and no one size fits all, so it best we aren’t overly prescriptive. As I feel I hold the candles for my 4 prematurely dead people, as well as myself, I am very aware of the different horses for different courses approach. CSA impacted 4 of us, including me. It was also institutional. Due to excessive institutionalisation in my immediate family, in different ways, I am very very sensitive about it all. One dead brother got rich, but still died at 50. He wasn’t abused sexually, but damaged by abandonment and the mixed offerings of his foster family, and the initial abandonment was due to dad’s CSA. So, yes 2 generations. His money did not keep him alive, so now I am very analytical about a range of developmental trauma.

I do believe SANE does its best within the limits of the general forum, and also getting back to people by email, to balance the anonymity issues with the reality that the members are REAL PEOPLE and not just numbers in some statistics. So thanks @tyme @holdinghope5

I have met Roses in the ocean peeps online a few years ago. @Till23 Tagging and all things mental health can be complicated. I have individually tagged you a few times, with no response, thought we had gotten on very well a few months ago. I tried to offer subtle and direct support, by supporting posts, then was surprised when you said nobody had tagged you. I have never said I didn’t want to be tagged, but try and be sensitive to others preferences, if I can remember. It can be a challenge to be on top of it all, and we aren’t paid to be, so that is why I advocate a gentle tolerance and inclusivity. I am far too old and weary for too much worry on the forum. I saw your weather struggles and do hope you are safe and your housing not too damaged.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear @AlwaysMyself I am grateful I could process with my new psychologist some of the trauma triggers that happened last Saturday night. It will be tricky moving forward with that musical “colleague “, but I have to keep safe, and productively and purposefully engaged for the wellbeing of my son. Hmmm. He has suffered enough due to all the suicidality and is beautifully dutiful and stoic, with the inter generational trauma imposed upon him. So, I do know my duties and do my best, but I am human.

hope you both had a reasonable day. I don’t get too over the top positive, but try to keep things real. I do appreciate that you responded. It has never been something I could take for granted. 🌹🥑🐈🦋🍏

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Till23 @Appleblossom you've both been through a lot. That's huge. Im sorry you have also both had horrible experiences that no one should ever have to. I think we'd all agree we would love if there was a magic solution that made all the pain and recurrant negative thoughts go away. Money indeed does not take the pain away; its only as useful as it can allow us to access help/needs we otherwise may not be able to receive.

I agree there is no one-size-fits all. To be honest, I dont even think I know what the suicide prevention management strategies of Fed/local governments are. I know my local areas MH strategy is early intervention, which is a good idea - but doesnt address the needs of those already down the path (but hopefully will reduce the number of people who become chronic). Actually, I do know one service my region has which is a good concept I think - they have a non-clinical "safe space" people can just rock up to if theyre in distress (in the evenings), and there will be peer worker staff. I haven't been there because its a 30+min drive, and that's not a good idea when im distressed lol. But I heard there were plans to open a second one which might be close enough to be an option if I wanted/needed somewhere to sit and be safe in the future. I've had times before where I have had to call a family member to ask them to come home from work; it would be a good alternative to that I think. Its still only short-term focused, but its better than nothing.

I had a good first day in my new team/role. 🙂 lots of reading to get an idea of a project I'll be developing is, based on a similar one theyre just wrapping up. It will be same process but different data topic. I will enjoy learning about the topic during it i'm sure. The new team is on a different work site, and this one has free carparking?!?! (Can you tell I live in a city? 🤣) and because I tend to start work early (and finish early) I shouldn't have too much difficulty getting a park either.

There is my "good news encouragement" for the day! 😊 however I no longer have a window, so I have no idea what the weather was 😅

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Sorry @Appleblossom if I have not responded to some of your tags, I won't necessarily respond if I am tagged at the end of a post with a lot of other people. I usually respond if I am addressed at beginning of a post. I can't say I always do because I just can't remember.

I have been very unwell and in hospital recently and was not on the forums for days. I did not know I was going to hospital so couldn't mention beforehand that I'd be away. Sometimes it is hard to respond to a tag, if you are not in a good headspace and you don't want your possibly negative tone to affect other people. I probably missed a few tags during recent times.

I have been trying to keep a low profile on forums as well, so am reticent to respond to tags of a general nature. I don't expect people to be across other people's tagging preference if that's what you mean. I might have misunderstood what you were saying there.

Sorry if I have offended you, that definitely wasn't my intention.

Thank you for your comments re the weather situation where I live, that will turn out ok with just a few minor problems.

I think I will be on the forums even less.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I'm glad your first day in your new job was a positive experience @AlwaysMyself I have mostly worked in places without windows so I know that feeling of not knowing what the weather is doing.

I hope you continue to enjoy your job.

I also did not have free parking for much of my working life, so that's definitely a bonus.

Safe spaces do seem to be a growing initiative. There is one kind of near where I live, but it doesn't operate every day and is not open 24hrs. I have heard of them in other places as well.

I will likely be around less, so don't be concerned if I do not respond for a while

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