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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Appleblossom Sending soothing virtual hugs to you. I’m so sorry you had this experience yesterday. Since we met on these forums I have found you someone who makes a really valued friend. You are smart and someone who sticks by the people you care about and even strangers no matter if the person is experiencing a good or bad “weather” day. I love how you are so inclusive and you’ve shown me so much empathy with my housing struggles too despite having complex PTSD yourself. That person yesterday is missing out big time on getting to know a genuine and talented human and having the privilege of calling you a friend. People can be hurtful but the truth is it says a lot about them and is no reflection on you at all. I’m just really sorry you are feeling upset/agitated/sad which is totally understandable. I’m also glad to learn you are a bit calmer now and feel safe here to talk about what happened yesterday. What can I do to support you today my friend?

Music is amazing and can really soothe us. I’m not a musician like you but even when I play an instrument like a shaker or Tamborine in a group I actually find it lifts my mood. I know people who do music therapy to help them with trauma too. I didn’t realise you were a music teacher. That is such a wonderful job. Do you teach music at a school or have your own business?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Oh dear I just spent ages responding then my internet died and I lost the post to you! Let me try that again!

There have been so many times where I wished there was an internet website with all the MH professionals in Australia who treat complex MH and listed their skills, experience and allowed for current/past clients to review and provide potential clients with insight on whether they would suit. I really wish it would happen as we invest $$$ and our emotional well-being in seeing someone and it’s just not fair that we are expected to do that blindly.

I am glad you are able to express to him what would be helpful in terms of supporting you. Sometimes people don’t know what they can do to help so being able to express that is really good. From what you’ve said it does sound like he would greatly benefit from seeing the psychologist again and reaching out to the GP about how he’s feeling. It would help him a lot and help your relationship too. I’m sorry to hear though that he’s not spending quality time with you. It’s obvious to me you enjoy talking and listening to other people too. I’m sure there’s many topics and areas you could both have a good yarn about. It isn't too much to ask from your partner and if anything is actually important in maintaining a healthy, stimulating and loving relationship. It keeps people connected mentally, emotionally and even physically. I don’t personally think that just sitting in the room together is spending time together. There does need to be interaction between people. Things like sharing the care of fur babies and doing the housework are important too. The fact he doesn’t do it and has depression is as you say more to do with feeling depressed. Putting on weight, watching movies and playing video games can also impact. It sounds like he is trying to minimise to himself just how much how he feels is affecting him and your marriage? Sometimes that can be a way of coping but not a very healthy way and can deepen those depressive feelings? It is sad that you feel like you are living with a flatmate. I’m sorry it feels that way and I can empathise with you. Things can improve if he wants to put in the effort. Marriage is never all happy, smiles, joy etc and getting through challenging times together makes love and marriage stronger. I really hope he realises just how lucky he is to have your love and company.

He’s also extremely lucky to have lived rent free for 3 years in your apartment and now to pay such low rent at your mums place. To have a safe and affordable roof over his head is priceless. You deserve to have him appreciate everything you’ve provided him including unpaid Labor like housework. I don’t think it would be so pleasant for him if he had to move into his parents place where they would expect he fully contributes. I’m not saying you should live in separate houses thwt is completely up to you. I’m just saying I can see your logic.

Do you think something like couples counselling would help at all? He may not be open to it but I’m just asking.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

It's so incredible to witness such powerful peer support here on the forums! Well done to you all @Till23 @AlwaysMyself @Cuddlebear @Appleblossom !

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I've wondered about couples counselling too @Cuddlebear , but I am concerned that if he isn't able to talk private/confidentially about his feelings when I am not around, will he be able to when I am present?

Because if he cant, then it would feel like its just me saying all the things about how his behaviours impact me and feel like its just piling it all on top of him. Which isn't helpful or fair to him. He needs to also be able to speak about what is problematic for him too and how I can help support him better (because he says he doesn't know or doesn't believe he can do anything to change).

I know he would benefit from counselling. There is no doubt in my mind. And it wouldn't necessarily need a highly experienced psych either, even just basic CBT would help him a lot and helping him with self-image.

Today I asked him "would you like me help you with making lunch?" And he got upset, but thankfully told me why - he interpreted that question as me saying he isn't capable of doing it himself. (Note he has no disabilities or reasons for this belief.) At least I was then able to explain that no, I just meant I was happy to help share the load because he doesnt have to make lunch all by himself if he'd prefer company or share the work. It also gave me the opportunity to raise how it makes me feel when he says (literally) to me "I cant trust you to chop it up, because you might cut your finger doing it. I'll do it myself." This initially started as a joke one the very first time I used a mandolin slicer, but has now become something he says seriously (even though I still make dinner 2-4 times a week). So I asked him how he thinks this makes me feel when he literally says I'm not able to use a (kitchen cutting utensil), and he was able to reflect that was a "fair point". It doesnt bother me too much when it says it (because i know its not true), so its a safe thing for me to use for him to reflect upon.

But of course I can only use this gentle strategy sparingly because otherwise it would become a focus on everything he does that is problematic, and that is overwhelming and not helpful. But he took the point that I was genuinely offering to help, not implying that he was incapable of doing it himself. If I didnt have the example of his words to me, i dont think he would not have taken it on board and instead would have just said it was my problem in how I say it that he interpreted it as a negative image of him. Today was a good outcome.

How did today go for you @Cuddlebear, @Till23 and @Appleblossom ?

Im aware ive written a lot. But I equally want to know how you all are and how to also give you support.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thank you both for your caring comments. I am feeling better for having expressed myself here and to my friend by text. I think we may work it out. I really liked her and maybe I was partly at fault and too needy. I think our crossed wires were about emotion and our relationship, not really about the music. That can be the danger losing oneself in music. I might be tempted to hide in it. We still have to do the emotion work.

My SI skyrocketed, but I try and manage my dysregulated feelings, through movement, doing jobs it has settled. As you were describing, I can relate to daily thoughts of suicide and odd moments of intrusion when things are not too bad. So I do relate to a lot you have said @AlwaysMyself

I apologise, I was feeling really stressed and in rereading I am noticing myself being curt, trying to squeeze too much meaning into few words. Maybe I am a bit scattered, but I really appreciated being able to reach out even if I was a bit incoherent.

@AlwaysMyself

@Cuddlebear

it is a very difficult topic of conversation, but I feel the depth, truth and care you put in.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Appleblossom sorry for delayed response - been out at dinner.

I didnt read you as curt or confusing at all 😊.

Im really glad you feel safe to chat with us about how you feel and we can help provide support and understanding for you also.

Im sorry that it triggered you SI thinking today, but im also glad you were able to do some physical things to help alleviate it some.

How are you feeling now?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@tyme i do feel truly lucky to have met @Appleblossom @Cuddlebear @Till23 and Shaz and Sparky (but I wont tag them here as I dont want to risk drawing people into an SI thread that could be triggering!). You all have been so accepting, warm and easy to connect with people. 😊🥰 thank you.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Sorry @AlwaysMyself I haven't really being chatting much, or at all, since I introduced myself on this thread. I am having a weather event here.

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It is difficult because unless it's a social thread I don't really like people random tagging other people which can happen on threads. People who do this probably think they are being inclusive but they don't necessarily know what is going on for the member. I had stopped posting on one of my threads on the main forum because somebody tagged multiple people to the thread and it stopped being a place I could talk about the stuff that was important to me, rather than what everyone was having for dinner. I know that probably sounds a bit harsh but it's how I feel but that might be a problem I have with my thinking.

Hopefully I can interact more on here, unless you find me too negative, which is fine, just let me know

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I've just sent you an email @Till23

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I love hearing from you @Till23 , and im OK with people expressing negative thoughts and feelings, and that includes you. I have loved getting to chat to you abit on other social channels, and read a few of your posts supporting another member with difficult thoughts too. That's why even though you didnt follow up post here, I still included you in my list of supportive and great people im especially thankful for here. 😊

How are you doing tonight?

Flooding and rain looking to ease up at any time soon??

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