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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself I’m not one of the peer support workers but happy to lend an ear this evening if you wanted 🙏💜, just about to respond to your other posts above

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself aww hun!

It's hard when we can't pinpoint the trigger or the reason for the onset of feelings, and I know for myself I have sometimes increased my own distress by trying to figure it out (when what I really needed was to not dwell in it).

Happy to keep you company, help you unpack or figure out next steps, or even provide some distracty chats. Here for you hun 💜

(づ ᴗ _ᴗ)づ♡

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Oohh hehe @AlwaysMyself your dog that’s a bit funny I am sure she thought it was delicious 😂 I am glad she left some untouched for you guys lol!! I wonder what muffins you/ your mum are cooking?😋

I love the plaster mould designs you chosen I wonder which one you and @Cuddlebear will choose to start with.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @Chasingsunsets @Jynx that would be nice i think. Its been a few nights now feeling this in the evening. But often doesnt start this early in the afternoon.

But if someone else is having a bad evening and not good at coping alone, please do triage them ahead - i am so used to coping alone that i know i can and tomorrow morning might feel less down. I felt "less down" this morning when i woke than i did last night. But "it's baaaaccckkkk".

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Chasingsunsets they are some sort of... oh dear ive forgotten... a fairly mild butter cake i think? With some almond praline on top. But the praline wasnt yet on top when she stole some.

So apparently it wasnt patty pans - it was the 6-tray muffin pan she licked. And thankfully the second lick was from the *same* muffin hole, so its only missing 1 cupcake. Well, she only ate half the filling. So i think mum is donating the cooked cupcake to the other 2 dogs (not to her lol).

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Chasingsunsets I hope you are well. I see you commenting on a number of threads.

Yes, you can just type tillogram in the "Search Discussions" box and it should come up.

I'm not sure if this link will work

https://saneforums.org/t5/Our-stories/Tillogram/td-p/1683913

but here it is.

I look at direct tags but not usually the group ones. I know people are trying to be supportive and inclusive but I just don't seem to have time, or sometimes the energy to respond or sometimes really look at them. I think it's nice that people do it and I'm sure others appreciate it, but currently it's not for me.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Oh nice @AlwaysMyself I love the vanilla butter cream ones!! That’s so lucky she didn’t get into them all lol! Do you like muffins ?? It’s funny cos yesterday I was at the shops walking down the cake isle when I thought hmm maybe I should make some muffins but then thought against is as just been too busy 😜.

I hear you with the feelings coming back. I wondering what you’d find helpful from me tonight 💜

Definitely happy to tap out and potentially tap back in after @Jynx 💜

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Chasingsunsets I like muffins (and cake, and most baked sweets) but i try to avoid them because of the carbohydrates. I am insulin-resistent (body doesnt carry sugars out of my blood well), and am obese (but improving with a lot of dietary effort). So they are reserved for very occasional treats. I did have a slice of cake on the weekend though at the birthday for my neice and nephew.

I used to do a bit of baking, but i havent for a very long time because of fatigue. It might be something i do again next year perhaps. I can always donate the cakes to willing eaters like family, friends or the hospital/police/fire-station, etc. (My cousin tells me treats are always gleefully welcomed at the ED, where she used to work)

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself ugh, sucks to have it hit early. We gotchu 😊💜

I have to avoid making/purchasing buttercream frosting cos I will eat it with a spoon 🤣

@Chasingsunsets 😋

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

😅 @Jynx

@AlwaysMyself Baking sound like another activity to add! I am sure if you don’t want what you have baked gifting it would always be so welcomed!! A bakery use to gift us what they didn’t sell it was soo nice and delicious too hehe!!

What stuff do you like normally to bake if you do? 😊

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