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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear are your support workers continuing throughout the holiday period? Or having some time off?

Either way the forum will still be here! But i know the physical f2f contact and help is soo important too (more important, even).

I wish i knew a good/safe way for you to meet like-minded people in your area that would spend time with you f2f either within walk of your place or to transport you too (if you felt comfortable with that!). I recall groups can be difficult with your hearing and vision, evem with a support person.

... very random idea, and slim chance of interest i know, but throwing it out there "just in case" - would you have any interest in learning Deaf-Blind sign language? Its a small community of people who do it, but because of that they are often quite friendly and of course very understanding of the communication and transport challenges! I know a number of Deaf in Sydney who learnt Deaf-Blind to help communicate 😊. I think the VIC Deaf organisation would be able to put you in touch with someone if you were interested to pearn even informally via coffee (thats how i learned most of my Auslan).

My despair last week was regarding the cost of adequate health supports, i hear you! I had weekly psych support when i was younger (when i could afford it), and again for the past few months. So $$$ though. 😓. Makes me value free support through here and the online group i attend even more!

I was thinking earlier in the week... when i do my next 3d plaster painting... would you like to "do it with me" by jointly deciding what colours to do parts?

Not sure if you'd like that sense of connection and involvement or not?

I got the idea because of 2 members here who do lego sets "together" by each buying a set and doing them at the same time.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Wow @AlwaysMyself you seem to have a really well thought out plan here..

Your plan seems to have a mix of things in it;

Some study, some exercise, some art and craft (including trying some new things), some social connection via games, plus specific psychological things - individual and group.

I'm kind of not surprised your mum is a psychologist, because I thought it would be fairly rare for a parent to go to a safe haven with their child (I don't know, I just imagine that it wouldn't be common). Your mum sounds very supportive

I am glad you have all those things happening.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey there @AlwaysMyself you sound like you have some really great ideas for 2026, I am sensing some hope at this stage with a good plan? Your mum able to help you out financially and some really awesome stuff listed to do while you are on leave 😊

How are you feeling about your current plans?

@Cuddlebear

@Till23 !! How are you? Let me know which platform I can catch you on, would love a chat when you are keen ☀️

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely how are you today?

The cleaners are having some time off. My support worker is not working as much as actually just cancelled shifts for this week. 😞 It’s going to be hard on my own with not much human contact. I’m hoping there will be some people on forums to help give me some company.

Im familiar with the deaf/blind organisation but they are a 3 hour return trip from me. They are based in the city. The distance is the problem 😞 They don’t seem to offer any support like people living closer who can help teach me. I receive their newsletter plus activities stuff etc all stuff is in city though.

I know how worried you were last week regarding finances. I’m really really thrilled you can take the time off you need with help from your mum plus sick leave. You deserve it. The cost of medical care is through the roof. Many people can’t access critical care and hospitals are bursting at the seams. It’s awful.


Id love to help choose colours for the 3D plaster painting. That’s such a great idea and something we can do together! It would really help feeling connected and doing something with a friend. 🙂

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Cuddlebear I am sorry to hear that your supports are no where near ideal or even adequate and there are breaks coming up. On top of being on the tapering journey.

I hope that Wilbur will be some comfort for you during this time.

I think you've said you use assistive technology to access forums etc. Are there any online activities run by deaf and blind organisations, that you might be able to access.

I hope there will be people on the forums over the coming weeks.

I probably won't be on that much at all. I am not on very much these days anyhow and I will be trying to get my father's place ready to sell. He lived on property and there is a lot of work to do on it to get it ready for sale. Internet access is not good there at all.

You seem to have made a great connection with @AlwaysMyself so hopefully you can participate in chats and plaster figurine strategy.

It has finally started raining a tiny bit here, but virtually all of my plants have been burnt, I will probably lose quite a few, which is sad. I hope we get a good soaking rain over next few days

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Chasingsunsets I am not on the forums so much these days, but I do have a thread called Tillogram. You may have posted on there before I think.

I usually answer direct tags on other threads. I am pretty much not responding to group tags, only looking at them sometimes.

I notice you being very supportive on forums across numerous threads, which is lovely to see and I am sure appreciated by the people on those threads.

I hope you are going well

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Chasingsunsets How am I feeling about my plans for next year? Mixed.

A big sense of relief that I only have next week of work (3 days) and then no more - that is a big feeling of relief from the fatigue and burnout feeling. Each work morning this week I was able to tell myself "only x-days left" to help get me up and out the door to work despite feeling exhausted. So relief is a definite positive.

I honestly do not know if any of the things I have in mind for next year will produce positive "balance" to life. I feel that I am expected to be optimistic and say that I expect it will, but I really don't feel very hopeful about it. However I am willing to try it because by not working I will be reducing some "negative balance", which I am hoping will help reset back to the "neutral" state that I can be amenable to continue to live as. The thing is... the last time I felt "neutral" enough to be content to continue to live... that was 15 years ago - when I took a year off work. When I began working again though, it just got worse again (but gradually). And since then my physical pains and fatigue have increased a lot too which makes it harder to be at that "neutral enough" level.

It's my last option to try these things, so I have to. There is nothing else I can try except not working and the clinical trial (or ECT, but the side effects would be unmanageable with regard to fatigue and memory loss, and if it affected my cognitive ability that's my entire ability to work gone which defeats the whole purpose of treatment).

I will try my best to keep you as good company as I can online @Cuddlebear . As you know, the 17th is my last work day. I'll still be fatigued for a while and have my usual appointments, but I should be less-fatigued in the few days before christmas (and fatigued on christmas, boxing day and the 27th when I go to sydney), but hoping to be less fatigued after that and thus online more (unless I am busy doing things in sydney during the day).

@Cuddlebear Ack, 3 hours return trip is far for anyone, let alone not being able to drive yourself there. Need someone to move to be local to you, even if the org itself isn't. It was a bit like that in sydney - once you got to know some people it didn't matter where the organisation was, you could privately meet with people close to your home. But to get to know people initially was hard if the events weren't somewhere easy to get to 😕. When I wasn't working I was able to travel 1 hour each way every fortnight for a social event, but once I started working again I couldn't 😢 - I couldn't even do the one 30min each way.

If there was an event they hosted which you were really interested in (enough to make the 3 hour round trip as a one-off), would you have someone who could you as transport and support? (although depending on the mix of people, if they're all using deaf-blind communication it could be hard without yet learning it...)

I learnt a little about deaf-blind when I did my earlier studies in Auslan. We learnt the DB alphabet (which is a modified version of the Auslan one for tactile), and we also learned a little about "hand over hand" signing, and had a practice with it in class -- wow it was so hard even when knowing what the signs mean, but trying to visualise what the sign was from just Hand-over-hand touch was so hard! I will learn a bit more about it at the end of next year hopefully, as I saw it in the curriculum for the Diploma. I was lucky in sydney because our teacher knew a deaf-blind lady who was happy to come into the class and teach us about it from her own experience.

@Cuddlebear I finished painting my SanRio one - just need to coat it with the protective gloss layer. Then we can start on another one together! 🤗

I posted a pic of one of my dogs with a santa hat on the Elf on the Shelf thread. Here's a copy of it for you too.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Evening @AlwaysMyself 🫶, I about to head off for a walk soon and hope to pop on later to respond. Before I go though I just wanted to say I love that our dogs have matching tan eye brows hehe 😂🥰

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself! How’s your evening been?
I had planned to reply to ya tonight but my brain isn’t working very well at the moment and might head to sleep however before I did that I wanted to pop by and say hi and check in 🫶

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

No pressure @Chasingsunsets , you can take as long as needed. Hope work went well for you last night?

I went to bed a bit before your post. But was hard to sleep as i had a lot of thoughts of harm and wishing to be dead. Some of the thoughts which aren't suitable to post in the community realm. But i also don't want to call a support line because i don't believe it would help with those particular thoughts (based on previous experience).

I did reflect though on why i don't feel i "should" reach out to in-person contacts when i have repetitive intrusive thoughts (but with no/low risk of acting). I don't recall ever being told *not to* contact people to talk about it or keep me company, but i think there are 2 things which might play into it.

1. The media/cultural-perception of people being "attention seeking" (which was very much a hot topic when i was a teenager, around the time of the rise of "Emo")

2. The focus in treatments on self-soothing and self-processing. I think i interpret this as implicitly meaning that i should cope with it myself alone and not seek support or comfort from others during those times. And because i did learn distress-tolerance to be able to sit in distress and not act, then i guess that appears to be considered "coping" by some. I used to get angry about my psychiatrist not seeming to understand/care that having these thoughts was upsetting/difficult even though i knew i was able to not act on them. But because i didnt act on them, they were more or less dismissed from treatment because they were chronic.

I realise i dont really know when its considered "ok" to ask someone to keep company during those thoughts & feelings, other than when it gets to "i need help to be safe".

When there is a specific trigger (like finances lol) then i think i feel its more OK to reach out because talking it through can help - there is something they can do more than just be company. But when there is nothing that can be done to change the underlying feeling...?

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