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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Good morning. How are you? I know you are at work but I thought I’d reply and you’ll have some messages to go over when you have the time / need a distraction.

What an awesome idea to train your fur baby to a level you can do visits in nursing homes etc and provide people with the love and joy of having pats and cuddles. How does the training work? Will you have some assistance with it?


The scrap book idea is marvellous too. Setting up a group for it is great giving people an opportunity to do craft while socialising. You are right in saying it would be good for NDIS participants too because since NDIS came along so many free activities have gone and now doing craft even with your own craft stuff is expensive.

I’ve not tried paint by numbers but it sounds good to me. What type of things do you like to paint?

I remember the murder mystery dinners. They were fun and lots of laughs while having a meal. I was terrible at them lol but it was enjoyable.

What kind of board games do you like to play? Setting up games nights with friends is a great idea.

I really want you to be content. To find joy in the things you are doing and to live a life where you can enjoy the people and activities in your life. You are someone who gives and cares for other people. It’s obvious what a genuinely kind human you are. You’re also so smart and I love hearing about the interesting things you know about. I truly want you to be happy.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @Cuddlebear 😊🥰. I'd like to find life enjoyable/positive (or at least content) too. I reckon I'm a decent person too 😅. I know as an Aussie it's traditionally the done thing to not acknowledge your strengths or 'goodness in yourself, but i think that's a problem in part of our culture that you can't evenly say "these are my strengths, but yeah I have these weaknesses too". I know its safe here to, because people who are interested in MH wellbeing are often advocates for more well rounded expression of selves which supports self-image, confidence, self-worth, etc.

Dont get me wrong - i have flaws too lol. I talk too much (but i try to be aware of this and refrain from speaking as much in group conversations). I can be a bit rigid, esp with repeated adhoc changes of plans from people at last minute. I'm not very good with physical maintenance due to chronic fatigue (but I'm excellent with admin and planning).

I wonder what traits you would list among your best/strengths? 😊

I'd describe, from my interactions/reading, you are very kind, caring, compassionate and considerate of people. And consistently 'show up' for people.

Despite how you may feel sometimes (we all have those times too!!), you have shown a lot of resilience in life and independence in challenging situations.

I haven't looked into the pathways for Delta/therapy dogs for a number of years, so I would need to do that again. However I have trained my own dogs in the past (and both my dogs are decently trained currently, but I dont trust their offlead recall. However my girl dog licks faces and would need to be trained out of that!!). I raised a guide dog pup in the past, which was i think the best introduction to dog ownership and training 😊 and recommend it for anyone considering getting an active/large dog for the first time (esp if they're unsure about multi-year commitments and/or the cost of food and vet bills).

I have a variety of paint by numbers - generally whichever ones I can get at a cheap price 😆. But im not a big fan of the really bright and unrealistic colour ones. I do prefer animals often over scenery, but have done some scenery ones. Price is my main determinant though lol. A few years ago I got some free online from people who had started them and then decided they didnt like it - thats was a score. One of them was even a cute pig picture. I think the last one I finished was a peacock?

I am often happy to play/try any type of boardgame, although I have never played tabletop-minitures (warhammer, x-wing, etc). Often boardgames described as "euro games" (european) - but I am just as open to the classics like monopoly, scattergories, squatter or card games. The problem is trying to find people to play a game with, and for some the length of time that might be required. Some super-long games i can enjoy, but some info get tired of. Likewise I like Strategy games, but sometimes ones that re too complex I dont enjoy because I dont play them often enough to get to know them enough to be able to strategise.

Do ypu play boardgames or card games at all? (Or in the past?) (I imagine you may also have the issue of people to play with? Although I should note many of them are now available on computers and/or phones - but not sure what their screen accessibility is like..)

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Good morning beautiful. How are you? Last day of work for you before you get a few days off yay.

I do agree that in our culture saying good things about ourselves isn’t supported in a positive way as it should be. It doesn’t mean we have a “big head” it’s simple stuff like we’re are worthy of love and can and should love ourselves. Like you the MH space recognises this as healthy. We’re encouraged to feel worthy, to celebrate our abilities and to be kind to ourselves. That promotes good mental health and self worth.

We all have flaws thats for sure. But having a good self esteem isnt about feeling better than other people and we can recognise our flaws but also recognise the good things about us and to speak lovingly and positively about our selves in the same way we see the value in other people.

I guess some of my best strengths are that I try to be a good friend and mother to my daughter. I am someone who sticks by people no matter whether it’s a good or bad day for them. I’m trying to also see my own worthiness for same.

Thank you for seeing those traits in me. I do try hard to be a compassionate person and show up for people. It makes me feel good that you can see that 🙂

It’s awesome you’ve raised a guide dog pup. It’s a beautiful gift you give to a total stranger. It also does help in learning how to train your own fur babies and as you said gives an insight into dog ownership and training. I think you’ll do really well in trading your fur baby. You have patience and you are good at looking at how things in a way that you can teach fur baby how not to lick faces as an example. You’re very resourceful and you also will have others you can ask for advice/help in what’s worked for them.

I’m not surprised you like doing animals for paint by numbers. I get some colour in sheets that are free on the internet. Mainly stuff that’s not too intricate but I too lean towards animals and animals and nature combined!

I like board games too like the ones you mentioned. Like you my biggest issue is finding people to play with.

What have you got planned for your days off? Not too long to go either for your overseas trip!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

hey @AlwaysMyself! how's your week going so far?

the burger explanation you gave made heaps of sense! a few years ago, i definitely felt that way when i was struggling with my depression a lot more. i thought socialising with my friends would help me feel better, but i ended up feel nothing... and then i felt guilty for feeling nothing which made it worse.

sounds like setting up that expectation beforehand (like doing Y will make me happy) is also setting us up for disappointment and frustration each time its not met. nowadays, i try go into activities/events/hang out with no expectations at all - i try to tell myself, i'm just going to try be present in the moment and connect, observe, taking things lightly, take in my surroundings, etc. i have noticed that the days i have 'no expectations' i tend to enjoy more - but there are also days with no expectations that went blah too. do you reckon taking down that expectation would be helpful for you?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@rav3n @AlwaysMyself

Thinking of you both.

 

 

 

 

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

How did I not know/remember you had a daughter @Cuddlebear ?? That is lovely. 🥰

Are you to close in terms of relationship connection? Do they live far away?

I have a few medical appts and a few social meets as usual before I go. But otherwise am planning to rest, wash clothes, housework to not be dirty while im away (dishes, bins, etc) and packing lol. And see if anything i realise i need that i dont have for some reason (or cant find, more likely!)

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thats a good thought @rav3n . I don't usually go into things with much "expectation" i dont think (or at least, I dont consciously realise i do and dont feel disappointed after) -- in terms of normal/routine things. I try to keep an open mind knowing it can go either way. But perhaps in the background mind I am "hoping it will be ok, not bad". If I expected it to be bad I prob wouldn't do the option things lol.

I do hope my trip is good though. But I know I might not feel much.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Yes I have an adult daughter. They do live far from me due to the work they do and their University study. I’m delighted for her and so proud of the woman she’s become. I’m just sad she’s not nearby as seeing her makes my heart and soul sing! I love her so much.

oooh it was last day for you before your holiday! How exciting! You probably have already done this but write down a list of things to pack. That’s what I do so I don’t forget essentials and can find what I need before heading off!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thank you for the pics @Cuddlebear 😊. I had to go off-line after posting my reply to Rav3n and seeing them, as someone was waiting for me, hence the delay in my reply!

I'm so glad to hear that your daughter is a person you can be proud of. 😊🥰. I hope she can come visit you during uni holidays sometime (but also know this can be hard to get time off work and afford it too).

Once I'm back from holidays overseas I also plan to go visit my sister -- she lives in Melbourne -- the following weekend (but working in between the two!). I wish I could fly down there, rather than spend a whole day on the train/bus each way, but it soo expensive to fly. But I'll have 1 day to myself and 1 day with her and her husband then travel home on the Sunday. 2 days travelling for 2 days of visiting 😅.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself How are you today lovely? Did you get a good sleep?

I didn’t realise you had a sister in Melbourne. It’s awesome you’re going to visit her and her husband even if it is a short trip.

Yes it’s hard not living close to my daughter. She needs to work to pay her bills rent etc and can be difficult to see her. We have zoom and texts so that is something good.

What are you plans today? No need to apologise re reply.

Im home again today. Still feeling awful and finding this taper hard. Wish it wasn’t like this.

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