FORUMS

Connect with people who understand what you are going through, seek advice and surround yourself with support. We're free, anonymous, and professionally moderated 24/7.

  • 47,612Members
  • 1,358,869Posts
  • 1,400,000Visitors
Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

1603 replies

1,431 - 1,440 of 1,603

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Cuddlebear

Feel Im in never ending spiral. I’m struggling due to physical health issues which is impacting on my mode and MH. Stress levels increase which has negative impact on my physical health issues.

one thing feeds the other and pulls the other one further into darkness.

bad night last night resulted in bad morning. Somewhere this morning I lost a couple of hours. Had 5 jobs I wanted to do out of the house this morning. Thought I had plenty of time when I left my place. Just managed to get activity this afternoon with only 2 jobs done.

I’ve been enjoying finding and sharing the different things related to Autism, ADHD and AuDHD. Has also been good distraction for me.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AlwaysMyself my friend, just thought I can come on here and say hi & give you a little update on how I’m going in general 😌

so I’ve completed 1 unit for the certificate IV of MH peer work so far & have just started my second unit into the certificate just this week. One of the assessment involves a role play so it’s either I’m gonna do it with another student during class or I might have to do it with a friend (my support worker) if the former doesn’t work out.

I’m gonna be getting my results for Task 1 (intro & method sections) of my lab report this Thursday and to be honest I don’t think it’s gonna be a good score lol. I’ve just started Task 2 of the lab report (results, discussion and abstract sections) which is due on mid May. The assessments I currently have for the second unit from the TAFE are also due on May but in different mondays in different weeks. So pretty busy for me, but busy is good anyways.

My support workers are the only people I consider as my ‘friends’/companions technically…

@Cuddlebear

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Wow @AlwaysMyself April has snuck up so quick!! I'm super excited for you to undertake this next part of the journey, I hope it goes well! Yes please share as much silliness as you like 😋
I think so long as you aren't stating the names of the medication itself, you're more than welcome to share any reflections, lessons, insights, or interesting parts of the experience as you feel is going to benefit you/the community 😉

Oh it makes me very glad to hear how you've been able to express your needs more assertively and without shame! I have found that too - being able to explain my sensory or social needs within the context of neurodiversity reduces the sense of 'I'm just being difficult' or that feeling that I am impeding on others 'for no reason'. It's all about finding balance between differing/shifting needs! Happy for you 😊

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Blackcloud @Flutterbug9 @Cuddlebear @MissGremlin @Chasingsunsets

I'm sorry you've all got different stressors/challenges going on at the moment 😢. I hear you all. I hope things do improve over time - whether it be (depending on which your own circumstances) due to upcoming medical, increased supports, or external stressors (like assessments). You are all lovely people who are doing your best, and should be proud of your efforts even if its hard (especially proud when its hard?) and may not feel "enough" at times.

I'm glad you all take the time you need to be offline or online, whatever is best for you at any moment.

@Flutterbug9 5 weeks - i hope it passes fast (in a good way) and the infusion provides relief again.

Does your pain often flair up worse with the onset of winter / colder temperatures?

@MissGremlin i really hope you hear back soon. Ive had many services fail to contact in return over the years, and i find it so hard to know if i should contact them or not. Turns out most of the time it would have been better to because they had forgotten or somehow missed my email, and without me following up it would not have been realised. Its so hard to know how long to wait before contacting though; i've been learning and trying to remember to ask places for "expected timeframe" so i know when it is OK for me to follow-up.

@Blackcloud let me know how you go in Task 1. 🙂 all you *need* is a pass mark, right? Even if you'd *like* a higher grade?

If for some reason you didnt pass, do you just resit?

I actually have a partial-resit of an assessment on Friday afternoon this week. Just one part of a practical assessment that i didnt cover properly. Thankfully i only have to demonstrate the one missing skill - not the whole 20 different skills again! Sharing this as encouragement for you that its totally OK to not be perfect or even to have to redo an assessment 😊.

@Chasingsunsets i totally hear you on how much easier it would be to send an email/sms or a phone call or cafe! I feel it too, and with others here too. Although i'll be honest - email wouldnt be effective for me lately either lol i have too many! But yeah, SMS/messages/calls i've been able to keep up with (even if a day delayed at times).

Its nice having some social contact in the residential i'm currently at, but it can also be exhausting and noisy. And thats on top of the program sessions and my appointments too. Hence I'm rarely online. But I've come on breifly to read everyone's updates here and give a short update. But my brain isnt great at memory right now, so please do forgive me if i forget to respond about something - and not take it as a personal or deliberate thing.

@Cuddlebear i wish i knew what to say. My heart breaks for you hun. I wish i could sit there with you in your panic attacks. I wish i could help calm you and then lead your mind away to something non-distressing. I am curious what you think of @Jynx suggestion about focusing on a calming/pleasant memory. I wonder if Guided Imagery of your own comfortable calming memory could help at all?

For me, i used to like imagining a wood cabin in a snowy forest. That was a calming and warm mental image for me. With a wood log fireplace.

I saw the pdoc again today, and by chance they got the delivery of the meds whilst i was there. Who knows whats inside! Schroedringers drugs? 😆

I learned a little more about how the room will be laid out, discussed the sensory (light, music and physical pain) aspects, items i plan to bring (cushion, blanket, food, drink, my own headphones). I will be mostly laying down (unless i choose to sit more upright). Incidentally heard a few more funny stories 🤭 not all of which were meant to be funny (some were meant to just be "this can happen... please be aware. And if it does, this is what we do...").

I am looking forward to the dosing experience next week. But there is still just so much "i have no idea what to expect" partly because we wont know which medication i will have, but also partly because people all react individually to them so that cant be too predicted either. I'm not worried about it at all, just that i like to be planned and prepared. I am as prepared as i can be, and i'm not worried. I trust both the therapists fully and feel comfortable with them (even when my quirks are raised by either myself or them, which they accept/celebrate but i still feel a bit "odd" for - even if not negative).

It was nice to hear the pdoc acknowledge that he is really encouraged and assured by my existing contemplative style and experience, because apparently that makes things easier and more likely to go smoothly regardless of which medication i get.

I also felt really grateful that he took on board my feedback about the body-scan exercise we did today, and how doing it makes me acutely aware of the physical pain throughout my body. As opposed to just breathing exercises which still allow me to focus on breathing which isnt a pain senstation. He agreed that the body scan isnt the right things for me for grounding, and instead will do breathing and external mindfulness. When doing some of the external-mindfulness grounding practice today it was amusing because as soon as he said to notice the lack of noise in the room a trolley rolled past very loudly and then a loud coffee-steamer screached 😅. Timing was perfect as it had previously been quiet when he said it, until he said it. Small jokes/humour build rapport too.

I feel very lucky to have been paired with this pdoc and secondary therapist. And they also seem to really like working as a team too, which i think is really important too because i see them interact and it makes me feel comfortable. Actually a few other health professionals i 've met now have worked with or know the pdoc and all have instantly spoken well of him when i've mentioned his name. He doesnt seem to have any ego/status "issues" and is really casual/informal (but professional & boundaried). Very authentic, which is important to me - I think that's why i warmed up to them both quite quickly in the first meet.

In other news, i submitted my DSP application and my phone call with centrelink is tomorrow morning. I have no idea what that involves as it doesnt tell me - just says i have to book one. Given the length of my evidence file, i know it wont have been reviewed at all and they couldnt possibly even do so properly in the phone call timeframe. So i can only assume its more of a "lets check everything has been submitted, and then discuss the next steps/process".

My final piece of paper evidence for it (which is optional for DSP but essential for NDIS) is still to come, but that is my ASD+ADHD assessment report, which i have an appointment for on Friday. And i have also booked my NDIS LAC appointment for a few weeks time to kick off the application process with them (hoping my report will be ready by then or else by the second appointment, which they said is fine if not by the first one). My 3 GPs are all very confident i will get DSP. And my new GP and LAC both sound quite confident i should get NDIS accepted too (but unknown of course what amount of funding - we havent discussed that at all) because of the autism and severe MH impacts. And then my physical disabilities may be accepted also as additional secondaries. I will learn a lot more when i meet with the LAC.

Im glad the last week has been a lot less busy in terms of appointments and DSP/NDIS preparations. I wasnt coping well with it all, on top of the other frustrstions and stress of other adhoc life admin demands. Im still not great in my mind thoughts, but i'm not having high-distress meltdowns every few days anymore.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself i still haven't heard back and really unsure whether to ring them again cos I'm getting tired of chasing it up and the false hope it's giving. On a positive (maybe) the mental health team put in for a support worker package for me which has been accepted and I'll be meeting with them on Tuesday. Really unsure what they can do for me but we will see how it goes.

I've read through your update but I'm too overwhelmed by other things going on to reply to each section at the moment. But the team that are working with you sound amazing and I'm glad that you have them. I'm really hoping all goes well for you with the upcoming treatment starting and also that you get the DSP and NDIS easily.

Thinking of you always sweet and sending you lots of love and hugs ❤️.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself

https://www.lifecare.com.au/blog/does-cold-weather-make-arthiritis-worse/#:~:text=Cold%20temperatures%20can%20make%20muscles,although%20the%20evidence%20is%20mixed.

atm I’ve inflamed right shoulder quite badly. No more self care things for me for awhile


need to outcome of most recent lung capacity test and for any cough to continue “clean and clear” before getting excited about infusion.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself oh my stars it's so close!! I'm so glad that you feel so well supported going into this treatment, and able to cater the environment to ensure comfort and safety 💜

Congrats on submitting your DSP application! I hope that it's all gone through okay. I hope this period of intensity is coming to a close so you can focus on the next steps 😊

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 ah, sorry to hear about the shoulder pain, and also the lungs & couggh 😢. I really hope it clears up very soon for you and you get the "all clear" for the infusion.

My arthritis flairs up in the cold weather, which is why I was curious whether or not yours does too.

@MissGremlin yay for a support worker! 🥰😍🤩 fingers crossed for you!

@Jynx @Blackcloud @Cuddlebear @Flutterbug9 @MissGremlin @Chasingsunsets

Minor update from today re: DSP and NDIS. Until i have my DSP reviewed/approved i cant get jobseeker (i would need to apply under hardship provisions and i cant do that until they reject it formally and then it would take as long for that review as my DSP would take :face_with_rolling_eyes:). Fingers crossed my DSP is reviewed prior to my work leave payments ending.

NDIS update. I got my report from psychologist today for diagnosis and Support Level and recommendations. Came in at Lvl 3 for autism, so they say they will be very surprised if i dont get NDIS since Lvl 2 is accepted and im well above that. That was encouraging to hear. But of course still a process now to apply for NDIS through the LAC then have NDIA review it and provide a support plan/funding and *then* find/book suitable supports.

Shall we start a guessing game on how long this process takes? 😅 I have LAC meeting in 3 weeks to kick off the process.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself 🤞🤞🤞💜

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I hope it all goes well for you my friend @AlwaysMyself

also, I got a 66.1% for the assignment so that’s good for me ☺️

1,431 - 1,440 of 1,603