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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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@Cuddlebear big hugs to you sweetheart ❤️

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Thinking of you @Cuddlebear . I know it's so hard for you right now.

We are sitting with you.

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@tyme Thank you

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@Cuddlebear Be reassured that I know you care and never think otherwise. 🤗. I've been struggling to keep up also, and have myself been 2-3 weeks behind in posts. Today I'm caught up to only being up ot 10 days behind lol.

I'm so sorry that things have been so hard for you, even worse than they've already been this year. I wish I could somehow offer more support (please let me know if there is a way, and then I can assess whether or not I am able).


@Cuddlebear wrote:

I have no more capacity to keep reaching out to services and crisis phone lines that can’t help me.


I hear you and feel you. I've been in a very similar way the past 1-2 months also, as the wait times for crisis support exacerbate the situation/triggers. I hear you about the effort to do it, and the limited capacity to do it when unwell (plus all your physical barriers to it also). I hear how painful it is.


@Cuddlebear wrote:

I saw neuro doctor who’s found some permanent brain damage and is doing further testing. It’s totally broken me.


I can only imagine how hard this is for you, on top of everything else. Is it something you would like to talk about, or prefer not to?

(I would ask questions, but I don't want to if you would find that unhelpful and/or traumatic or too difficult right now. But know I am 100% open to talking about it and supporting you through/with it.)

In case it is of any encouragement, I have friends with brain damage (and resulting intellectual disability (ID) too in some of them; I think have 2 with ID and 1 without) 😊 and they are just as lovely people whom I love just as much as any other friend. It changes nothing of value about them.

Whatever support you want/need, lay it on us here to see if we can help support you best.


@Cuddlebear wrote:

I want to be engaged here but doing so has been so hard. I don’t want to be here just seeking support I want to give back to people too. I think the changes on the forums have also affected me and recovery club has not put in the daily webinars which I relied on so much. I’m shattered.


I wonder if there is a way we can help make it easier for you to get onto to forum? (If you'd like us to)

Is it OK for me to ask what the current barriers are that you feel towards logging on? (e.g. overwhelm? difficulty focusing? memory? Easier or harder with social topics more than personal-deep-topics?). (but also OK to ignore this question if you don't want brainstorming solutions 😘. Just wondering if I/we can help resolve barriers if you are wanting to be more able to come online & engage).

I know the feeling of wanting to give back and not just receive 🤗. But I also want to reassure you that it's OK to have times where all you can do is to receive; there's nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't change how I see you or know of your heart-intent.

It's a shame the changes to the forum have added to the barriers. Can I ask what specifically in the forum changes have affected you? (OK to not say though 😊)

That's a shame that changes to Recovery Club have also impacted you, with the absence of the daily webinars. I reckon that's pretty useful feedback for SANE to know, as it shows that those webinars were really useful for people (and that's a positive feedback for their past webinars!). I don't know how RC works, but I am wondering - are any of the webinars from the past recorded and available for on-demand playing? Or were they all interactive (like a group session) and thus not suitable for recording? 🤔

I will continue to tag you in my updates, to help you see my updates when you feel able to (and wanting to), but i will remind/reiterate again -- you are never under obligation to read or respond, and there is never any time expectation. Also always 100% fine to just "support-button" the post (if it's working lol) without comment, as I know sometimes that can be "the most capacity" for the time too. 🤗. The last thing I want is for you to feel pressured or overwhelmed by 'not keeping up' or feeling like you are letting me (or anyone else!) down by not responding -- because you're not letting anyone down! It is so important to me that you look after yourself first, whatever that looks like for you.

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A bit of an update from me for those who want to know, but also OK if I have tagged you and you don't want to read that is also 100% fine. 😊 (also OK if I haven't tagged someone, but they'd like to know/comment - please be welcome to. It's just that I don't yet know you'd want to know, or I worry that tagging you here may be too triggering ... or that my ADHD-brain forgot!). I will use trigger-warning boxes with caution - please know it is always OK to not read them, and just read other parts too. Knowing that people will be self-responsible with what they opt to read or not read allows me to know I can post without fear of triggering someone else (which of course I don't want to do).

@Cuddlebear @Flutterbug9 @Chasingsunsets @Blackcloud @Shaz51 @Till23 @MissGremlin @Captain24 @creative_writer

@Jynx @AuntGlow @tyme

Some of this update people will already know from prior posts and/or other threads - so I will keep that part brief.

Lets start with the positives.

  • "yes" to autism & adhd (inattentive & hyperactive) - quite significantly. ADHD symptoms were masked/treated by my medication I came off 2 months ago 😅.
  • Since coming off the medication (now over 1 month with none at all) I have the ability to genuinely laugh again (not just cynical or absurdity laughter for coping) and at times feel some motivation for specific things. However, along with this is the ADHD symptoms that also cause a lot of challenges.
  • This past week I saw some friends who gave me lovely present(s) and card(s). They showed me they truely know me well and care.
  • The peer worker I've had the past 2 months comes to an end next week, but she has spoken with her boss to organise an intake assessment for me into one of their other program for some further support (with a different peer worker, since she doesn't do that program herself).
  • I gave some feedback to an organisation recently that had let me down again; politely explaining to them what had happened and how it impacted me and how it would have been preferable to hear a disappointing answer than no answer at all. The manager got in contact with me to explain what had happened was not intentional, and was an admin problem, and that she had reviewed my situation / their past interactions with me (service failures) and was able to offer some short-medium term supports that were previously not offered (or explicitly stated not as not an option). Having had the conversation with her, I feel she is genuine and thus am willing to give the organisation a 4th chance (i.e. a 3rd "second chance" 😅). I won't go into details though.
  • A work HR person has been very helpful this week, and is organising for a few things that can help me setup the supports I need for the (albeit limited) interactions with work that I will need to have over the coming 3-4 months or more. This HR person and the other one who will be involved are both people I know from previous things in a positive way; they know my nature and genuinely like me as a person/employee - which means I can be more "real" with them, with less fear of coming across wrong.
  • My MH GP has been fantastic since first seeing her and continues to be.
  • My physical-health GP who I have felt dismissed by for years, I finally felt he listened to me more last week - he understood that I have not raised a number of issues (or not expressed the severity of them to him) because of they way people (not just him) have downplayed & "normalised" the symptoms without enquiring about the severity. He said this made sense, and that helped me feel more about to be more honest about the severity of some physical things - such as my chronic pain levels. He has said he is very willing to support me in my DSP application for the physical chronic pain issues (as I need a GP to help with the spinal damage side with evidence from my chiropractor & past bone scan; but also because I won't likely have any diagnosis or "evidence" from the rheumatologist by the time I need to apply for the DSP - but the rheumatologist will be able to help for my NDIS which i am also waiting on my psychology report before I can begin that application path; but my GP can use my existing diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue from 18 years ago plus the evidence of CFS blood tests for many years subsequent, including the investigations he referred me for 5 years ago which returned nothing else to "explain" the symptoms). (CFS/ME & Fibromyalgia are both a "diagnosis by elimination"; and we have already done the elimination but the rheumatologist 5 years ago focused only on my mechanical injuries & degeneration causing pain and did not also review the unexplained chronic muscle/joint pain for which I was explicitly referred.)

The other side of life updates (not required reading, as I said).

Difficult life admin & not having supports so doing it with me (co-regulation)

Part of the challenge of the reduced-emotional-blunting combined with the ADHD reduced-regulation, is then adding on the time-frame pressure to do life-admin to prepare for appointments, applications & other time-sensitive matters... I get easily overwhelmed. And I can't "take it slow" because it needs to be done within the time-requirement. In theory the peer worker can help me work through a piece of paperwork, but a) it may need to be done before my next session, and b) my sessions were 1 hour and that may not be long enough - so I need to "prepare it so then review it with them".

When I get overwhelmed / dysregulated it is now harder to keep myself calm and harder to distract myself. My emotional responses are much stronger and my frustration-tolerance lower. Plus I feel "in a rush" the whole time from the ADHD. Yep, recipe for meltdowns almost every day (sometimes multiple times a day!)

Birthday - TW: SI

Birthdays are a hard reminder for me...

Content/trigger warning
... because it remind me I have lived "another year" without things improving. 24 of them since I first didn't want to.

It reminds me that I am alive because other people want me to be, not because I want to be.

It reminds me something needs to change.

Hearing "happy" birthday reminds me of this; and it's not "happy" -- but I know people are well-intent and don't realise what is "behind the scenes" in my mind. For this reason, birthdays can be very triggering for me in terms of my SI.

Lack of timely crisis supports

The biggest gap for support I have is when I need to de-escalate during acute mental distress when it is triggered by the fact that I don't have adequate supports for life to be bearable. This becomes a vicious cycle because if I reach out for support a) I might have to wait "in a queue" (which makes the trigger worse), and b) the only triaged-queue is the Emergency Department and that environment/service is unable to provide a quiet place to de-escalate (even by myself) or someone to talk to (if I can't self-calm).

The only suggestion the ED MH doctor had to meet the need for instant support was a hospital admission; however I am concerned that being admitted would remove too much of my freedom and access to things I need that support my health at times (e.g. attending medical & allied health appointments; social outings; adhoc volunteering when able; seeing my dogs when I'm not busy/stressed). I am not even sure if I would be allowed to be hospitalised during my research trial - whether this would be seen as a "suitable safest environment" to support me, or whether it would be seen as a sign of "too high risk". Also, whether the hospital accepts people for "respite" type without therapy - since I cannot have therapy outside of the clinical trial (but non-clinical peer support is OK) -- I plan to ask this next week, to "know the options in advance".

I can sit in distress by myself, as I have done all my life, but the risk is my blood pressure gets too high - which my GP agrees is not a good option either. However, we literally have no solution as both the hospital & my MH supports do not know of any service which can provide 24/7 adhoc crisis support without a queue/wait (outside a hospital admission scenario). (DBT programs may offer it, but I don't need a DBT program as I already use the skills, and those programs are time-limited. Autism & ADHD explain why I sometimes can't regulate when in a meltdown despite trying to use these skills and "preparing" is only possible with "planned" challenges; I was much better at regulating when I was emotionally-blunted 😅; and perseverant thinking causes a lot of difficulty with regulating when something is not logical or not fair any my automatic go-to mental pattern is SI). I will be asking the psychiatrist about this next week when I see him (he works in both private & public system, so he objectively should be aware of the range of options to people if money is no barrier).

So I guess that's a summary of my past few weeks 😅 and partially explains why I have been so absent lol.

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Hello @AlwaysMyself sweet, I've read your post in it's entirety. I'm not even going to try to reply to everything as my brain really wouldn't cope with that right now. But I wanted to let you know that I'm always thinking about you and sending you hugs ❤️.

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Hello my dear! Thank you so much for your updates. @AlwaysMyself

I know I have a few tags to follow up on, so I will start with this latest message. 🥰

Firstly, I am so bloody proud of you for getting your diagnoses and gaining a better insight into your wonderful, neurodivergent mind. And I am so happy to hear you have genuinely laughed and felt moments of motivation since changing your medication regime.

How lovely to experience being truly seen and supported by your friends - this warms my heart to know.

Incredible work advocating for yourself in regards to the organisation that let you down, that's a great outcome and shows how being clear and assertive about your needs can absolutely encourage others to meet you in that space.

I am happy to hear that your GP has come around to more understanding too - these are such amazing wins!!

Regarding co-regulation... I wonder if you could ask one of your close friends to body double with you? Is that something you would be comfortable with at all?

Also, I relate to this part so much: When I get overwhelmed / dysregulated it is now harder to keep myself calm and harder to distract myself. My emotional responses are much stronger and my frustration-tolerance lower. Plus I feel "in a rush" the whole time from the ADHD. Yep, recipe for meltdowns almost every day (sometimes multiple times a day!)

I am still working on this, so I will come back to you with some more information when I have figured it out haha maybe @Jynx and @tyme have some suggestions. 🤔 The one thing I have noticed helps the most is letting myself have a moment to express myself fully, tears/tantrums/rants to the universe - all of it! Or, making things very simple/taking the pressure off having to utilise all of me in that moment.

Oh! I forgot to mention, I have been doing some research on dopamine and anhedonia. Do you like neuroscience books? I had to Google a few (okay, many) words, but I found it interesting, so you might like it too!

I understand how vulnerable your birthday must feel... and I think it's important to allow yourself to feel these feelings, to process, and to honour the nuances that dates like your birthday hold.

On the other hand, it could potentially be healing to notice the changes that have occurred lately, which show so much promise that things can change. 🫶

Not having adequate crisis supports would be really, really hard. I can understand why the hospital might not be the best option in these moments and I also understand why waiting in a queue would be triggering too. Let's keep brainstorming and see what else might be helpful. 💛

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@AuntGlow


@AuntGlow wrote:

Regarding co-regulation... I wonder if you could ask one of your close friends to body double with you? Is that something you would be comfortable with at all?

Comfortable, sort of. Except for their unavailability (workload; family/social life; introversion; physical distance).

On my birthday I reached out to 3 people, none we available. Two days prior to that, I reached out to 2 people - neither were available. The day prior to that, I did call 1 person due to the extreme need, but I hated to and burdening them with it meant I could not ask them again in the following days. When I say "they're not available", I am meaning it - they are not available even though some of them wish they could be.

I hope it's OK to share some research articles that highlight my experience and how it is "not uncommon" in my subtype of autism but also presents a lot of clinical and support challenges (because it's what I wish people understood). If any of them are not OK to share, please do edit to remove them (pre-permisison granted to any Mod/PSW). Many are from the same researcher(s) because they are specialising/leading the research in to TW: autism & suicidality.

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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/13623613251370789
"Participants who disaffirmed help-seeking from the NHS (n = 754) were able to select from a prepopulated list of 20 reasons why and to enter their own. The three most commonly endorsed reasons were 'I tried to cope and manage my feelings by myself', 'I did not think they could help me' and 'The waiting list is too long - no point'."
-- I personally experience all 3 of these (actually, there are only 8/20 from their full list which I don't experience as a barrier).
-- Have a read of Figure 3 (JPG) - I experience all of the experiences mentioned (except within our Australian public & private systems) except for Theme #3 (fear/consequence) which only applied during my first 2 years as a pre-teen and no longer applies.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6069847/
-"Results confirm previously reported high rates of suicidality in ASC, and demonstrate that ASC diagnosis, and self-reported autistic traits in the general population are independent risk markers for suicidality. This suggests there are unique factors associated with autism and autistic traits that increase risk of suicidality. Camouflaging and unmet support needs appear to be risk markers for suicidality unique to ASC. Non-suicidal self-injury, employment, and mental health problems appear to be risk markers shared with the general population that are significantly more prevalent in the autistic community."
- "Lifetime NSSI, camouflaging, ADHD, depression, anxiety, unmet support needs, and satisfaction with living arrangements all significantly correlated with suicidality (total SBQ-R scores). However, age of diagnosis was not significantly correlated with any other variables." (I'll note I don't engage with NSSI, but I still experience the strong urges every time, and thus I relate to it.)
- "The current study explored a potentially unique risk marker for suicidality in ASC, identified by our steering group of autistic adults: tendency to camouflage one’s ASC in order to cope in social situations." .... "autistic females tended to report that they camouflaged across more situations, more frequently and more of the time than autistic males." ... "suggests that camouflaging is directly associated with suicidality rather than in combination with delay in ASC diagnosis. Camouflaging also explained significant additional variance in suicidality above depression or anxiety, suggesting that the association with suicidality is, at least in part, independent of mental health. This is the first evidence of camouflaging being a unique independent risk factor for suicidality in ASC."
- "In order to engage in camouflaging, one must have insight into one’s own difficulties, how these may be negatively perceived by others, and have a strong motivation to adapt one’s social behaviour to be accepted. Understanding associations between these factors with camouflaging, and the consequent impact on mental health would be valuable. For example, autistic people who have greater insight into their own difficulties are more likely to be depressed than those with less insight [44], and autistic people are able to accurately predict how family members perceive them, despite being different to their own view [45]. It would be interesting to explore whether perspective taking ability and insight into one’s own difficulties increase likelihood of engaging in camouflaging behaviour with consequent negative impact on mental health and suicidality." My answer is, for me: 100% yes on all counts.
- "It is perhaps more accurate to acknowledge a “double empathy problem”, where autistic people are misinterpreted by non-autistic people and vice versa [45, 47, 48], which contribute to feelings of isolation among autistic people [49]. Increasing acceptance of autistic people in society could therefore lead to a reduced need for camouflaging and increased feelings of belonging—a protective factor for suicidality [17, 23]." And yet I know that my NT family and the NT medical supports system (i.e. public system without specialist programs since they don't exist) disagree and believe/promote that autistics traits need to be changed to 'adapt' to an NT style -- i.e. to "camouflage more" -- the exact risk factor identified in research as contributing to lifetime/chronic suicidality.
- "a clear recommendation for policy and practice to reduce suicide risk in autistic adults, a high-risk group for dying by suicide [15], is to urgently identify and address unmet support needs in this group. Meeting this shortfall in support could, at least in part, help reduce high rates of suicidality and death by suicide in the autistic community." This sums up my last 3 years of trying to access supports and being told there are none available in addition to what I already access (i.e. counselling).

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/13623613251370789 (article) &
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(17)30162-1/fulltext
(related correspondence about the article's findings)
Not all suicidal thinking is due to depression - I've been trying to explain this for years to my doctors/supports.
"For example, substantially more adults with Asperger's syndrome experienced suicidal ideation (66%) than were depressed (32%), indicating a different route to suicidality than in the general population. Women with autism without comorbid learning disability were most at risk of dying by suicide."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10088461/
- "Known protective factors against suicide death, like education, age, and marriage, are not protective in autistic samples (Kõlves et al. 2021). Furthermore, this mental illness burden may be exacerbated by exceptional cognitive ability: in other work, we found that children with a exceptional IQ (≥ 120) and autism have greater feelings of inadequacy and internalizing problems compared to autistic individuals with average IQ (Michaelson et al. 2021)."
- "Twice-exceptional children, i.e., autistic children and at least one IQ subscale score ≥ the 90th percentile, showed the highest rate of suicidal thoughts, at 12.9%, compared to only 2.4% in IQ matched controls."
- "There was a significant positive interaction between ASD and IQ, suggesting the relationship between IQ and suicidal thoughts is dependent on whether a child has autism or not."
- "In sum, across multiple samples we find higher cognitive ability in autism to be associated with increased suicidal thoughts (CBCL item 91), increased rates of clinically-relevant depression (CBCL DSM depressive scale), and less self-harm behavior (CBCL item 18)."

And lastly, a really good literature-review from 2018-2024 publications on the topics:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40474-024-00308-9

Edit: tagging @Jynx as suggested may be of interest to you (the articles in the accordion) - no pressure.

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I don’t know what to say but just know that I have read it and thank you for tagging me. I appreciate it

@AlwaysMyself

Just know that I’m thinking of you

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@Flutterbug9 I think you may be interested in this, as you were asking the other week around things with my mum.

(Anyone else reading is of course welcome too; and no one is required/expected to read or reply - including you my dear @Flutterbug9 (I know it is a weekend day today also, and I hope you are enjoying time with your cats - perhaps even on the alfresco area!).)

Less than a week ago my mum said she wanted to keep communication with me (I have mostly withdrawn the past 2 weeks the issues I had with her a month ago and the 2 weeks after) and that I should know that if I want to talk about things or ask for help I can (but don't have to) - that she wants to help within her capacity. I used it as an opportunity to explain to her why I haven't been asking for help the past weeks (her reaction to my brief-explanation of my fatigue needing a 10min rest before I did the next task - which was the initial thing a month ago) -- she said she didn't remember that, so I recited the conversation to her verbatim after which she did accept she had said those things "because she was tired" (which I already knew and had said was the reason I can no longer ask her for help or even tell her how I am because that is how she reacts when she is tired/stressed). However she assured me that if she was tired/unable she would say so, and that I should still feel able to ask. (I did suggest an idea of a "tasks I need help with" list that if she feels up to helping and wants to she can pick from without me needing to ask her for help. She was open to this idea. But of course it does not apply to emotional stress situations or crisis -- which she has a pattern of getting angry at me and/or dismissing/invalidating legit problems without a solution. Keep in mind, she has worked as a psychologist-counsellor for more than the past 20 years. - she does have the skills to talk about things when she wants to.)

So this morning I decided to "test it out" because I was feeling very stressed, and talking it out helps.

  • I asked if I could come chat to her - she said yes.
  • I told her that I find things very stressful lately because I am trying my best and trying to find solutions but cannot find any - and that there doesn't seem to be any solutions.

The outcome?

  • She did not discuss things with me (with questions / curiosity) - just said "well, it sounds like you don't have any solutions then" (no empathy at all; not even a "I'm sorry to hear that, I can understand why that is stressful and hard.").
  • She did not listen to me properly. She misunderstood by making incorrect assumptions and not listening to my whole sentence/phrase (jumping to conclusions after the first-half). (e.g. "I manage my forgetfulness by setting alarms and snoozing them if needed until I have finished the task. The problem comes in when someone dismisses an alarm, not snoozes it, like XXX does. Or when it is something that I cannot set an alarm for in advance, or I forget to do it between when I think of it and when I immediately get up to do it." She got irritated & angry at me. So I explained to her how many alarms I already have set every day to help me manage - because I felt she wasn't understanding that I already am using alarms. So she started to ignore me (went silent without answer). So I told her that I didn't feel like she wanted to talk about it and was dismissing it, but that I was finding it very stressful. She then told me it was because I just needed to not dismiss my alarms (an easy solution), and that I didn't need to explain to her how many alarms I have every day already. Turned out her interpretation was "I dismiss my alarms and that's why I forget to do things" which is not at all what I said (as above). So we clarified that the reason I felt the need to over-explain was because I wasn't being understood.

Reset of emotion time, right? No.

  • She then finished what she was doing and left the room to do something else without saying anything (eg empathy) or ending the conversation (eg saying "I need to go out to do xxx now - can we continue this later?" or saying "I don't want to discuss this.") -- nothing, just walked out calmly.

So how do I feel after this? Worse.

  • I tried to give her a second chance. I tried to do it on a non-threatening topic (stress with ADHD symptoms; not SI or her behaviours) - and she was still unable to be empathetic or show care or even listen to understand.
  • It has reinforced that I cannot ask her for any support (even for minor stress), except for a list of things "I need to do" that she can spontaneously select from if she wishes to.
  • It reinforces the idea that my level of support need right now far exceeds what people around me can (able and/or willing, depending on the people) are able to help me with. (Cue: Unmet support needs; burdensome if trying to meet support needs)
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