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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Sounds like just one of those days when the sleep catches up on you!

To be honest though, the cafe trip sounded lovely - is this a regular thing? @AlwaysMyself

What other things do you like to do in your free time? Hobbies? Past times?

I also wanted to reach out and say that I really appreciated your posts last night. I've gained so much insight and learning from you. Such powerful experiences that you've shared, as well in incredible insights that are so helpful for others.

Thank you so much.

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Ah, right. Sorry about that misunderstanding on my part @Flutterbug9 . Often people have extra long waitlists because of gov-funded programs or bulkbilling providers, etc. I think thats where i must have made the wrong assumption (making an ass of me again 😉) in my brain's logic jumps. I am glad that this is one less barrier to access for you 😊. But still sorry that the waitlists are soo long even despite this.

I know that my new MH GP was initially to be a 3 month wait (but a new patient cancelled so i got in earlier). And the general-health GP clinic she has recommended for chronic health management has a waitlist (unknown time - i have emailed them to ask to be added). And this is despite their fees having an out of pocket cost of about $200 per appointment (because they don't do less than 20min appt because of their focus on chronic or MH). This is to say that yeah i do understand that private billed services also have long waitlists too. Although to some extent i don't know how much it applies to other areas, because I know it is sepcifically a really acute issue where I am and always a BIG item for local and fedral elections.

So many things about myself i don't care what others think either. 😊. Although i am also careful to not deliberately put myself in a setup for ostrisisation. Good example yesterday - taking about food preferences with 2 cafe-friends. I said i describe myself as a "fussy/picky eater" because there are a lot of things commonly eaten in Aus that I dont like, but there are sometimes other less common things i will eat. One person asked "like what?" Well, I wasnt about to list off the type of foreign animals that I'm OK to eat. So I decided to use "lentils" as an example instead. 😆. But adding that often i can't eat the premade meals because they add chili or or other spice flavours i dont like. Safe example lol !!!

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You're welcome @tyme . Probably gives a bit of a pic as to my nature and why i will consider MH peer work as a future work path (or at least training for social support to friends or here) if i'm able to return to working, rather than return to work that is less meaningful to me and doesn't suit an adhoc pattern of limited work hours due to health fluctuation/needs.

Its something that doesn't drag me down. Dont feel a burden. Instead, its nice to connect with others in a mutually beneficial way. (And even when making allowance for those who may not be polite in replies 🤭, i can say that here because i know any of you reading this are NOT in that category at all my friends!! Its only happened rarely to me here, and i know its from a place of their hurt, and thats where they are at. Its ok. But being safe and non-reactive i hope that is a helping experience for them.)

I have been going to coffees with people who have routine outings more since being off work - because I have the energy to do so, and it gets me out of the house and social contact. My mum and her friend meet once a week; i dont go all the time but if im not too tired (before!) I do. My other coffee group meet daily in the afternoons - there is the rare day that no one is available and they skip it. But otherwise they meet every day. I just go when it fits into my schedule and i dont feel too tired or too irritable. I've been trying to go a few times a week since stopping work. Previously i'd try to go once a week, but often would be only once a fortnight due to fatigue.

I dont get much out of going to coffee with either of these. But i get out of the house and social contact - which is what people say to do for depression. Very rarely would i say that i have "liked" or felt "better" for going. But sometimes we do have a laugh about something. Most times i just notice how different i feel and frustrated by peoples lack of insight (or interest in having insight).

What else do i do in my free time....

I do my paint by numbers lately (and take these to the cafe also, as i find this makes me feel less irritable from the social disconnect).

I have some 3d plaster figures to paint that i bought in Jan. I also want to try casting a mould of some first to reproduce. But that is very time-consuming and messy, so i havent found motivation to do so yet. Hence doing paint by number instead.

Once upon a time i did papercrafts with friends (high school years). But i havent had anyone to do this with in 15 yrs and dont feel interested to do it alone - even though i have things i want to complete and the materials for it too.

I stopped sports due to physical pain. Swimming i dislike the feel and effort of, but is not painful. I dont like it but i do plan to get back into it for health. Not actually "swimming" -- just walking in the hydro/play pool.

Sometimes i watch tv/movies on streaming. Usually either whilst painting (background) or with my mum in an evening. I've never been mich into tv or movies; i have to find mystery-plot ones to hold my attention which is why i watch a lot of european ones with my mum. Because i cant watch them when i paint (dubbing voice acting irritates me! It sounds so ... wrong and flat).

I sometimes read books. But not much lately. The 8 years of part-time uni study squashed that habit. Its been 4 years since i finished, and maybe ive read less than a dozen books?? But i have a BIG bookcase of ones "to read". Also mostly myster-plot to hold my interest.

Anhedonia is a big issue for me. I "do" these things, and they can be "neutral" while i do them (not negative). But i dont feel better for doing them. 🤷‍♀️. They arent important to me (unlike supporting people which is).

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I can totally relate @AlwaysMyself . I get so so so much out of peer support. I'm quialifed to so other things, but I've chosen peer support because I tend to feel like I've achieved a lot more.

I don't think I endured the journey I've endured for nothing. I always promised to 'Give Back'.

Have you looked at Peer Work Certificates in your state? @Oaktree just finished so she may be able to give you some more insight. I believe @MJG017 is studying peer work as well (correct me if I'm wrong)!

There are quite a few scholarships out there.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself @tyme

Yes myself and @MJG017 just finished the Peer Work certificate but he got an award for it. There was no award available in my state. I got a lot out of studying but the role plays made me quite anxious. I am thinking of doing more study this year.

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Yes, i have looked into the certificate. I would want to do it online self-paced for the theory (non-prac) to fit both my health and a better learning environment* for me.

Murphy's law I'm in one of the only regions where the government does not subsidise the cost of the Peer Worker course (only the MH non-peer one!) -- unless you are doing it as a traineeship with an organisation (volunteer or paid) who ensure you "use it". Apparently they deem it as too many people studying it compared to how many jobs or that people dont go on to use it for other reasons. But thats ok. I can pay for the course with one of the cheaper online providers out of pocket if i want to.

I've decided not to start it yet, and to wait and see later in the year. Currently am working through assessments for a language diploma, if/when their system works 😅😬 to allow me. But i can only do the set modules per term - can't access the course ahead of schedules sadly. I already know the language, i just need to do the theory content - hence it is not stressful for me to add this onto my mental load. Its just frustrating when their admin setup is so hopeless.

Well done @MJG017 and @Oaktree both for completing it. 😊. I never realised the practical working side of peer support made you anxious @Oaktree -- you cover well on here i guess! 🤗. Does the prac you did here and continue role supporting people here help you build confidence?

Any specific areas of further study that your thinking of @Oaktree ?

*i am a very quick learner; perhaps take 25% of the time expected? So i get "bored" in classes and leads to rumination & depression. High school was very difficult for me for this reason. Online self-paced works much better. Did my uni degree that way, albeit over 8 years due to my chronic fatigue, depression and working part time.

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@AlwaysMyself Wanted to quickly drop by and let you know I am thinking of you should hopefully be able to get on here properly on Wednesday, last night tonight yay feel like they have gone on forever 😜😴

Hope you are doing ok!

@Cuddlebear @Flutterbug9, thinking of you guys as-well, really apologise I haven’t been around to respond to posts and to connect, hope you both have been ok, I haven’t forgotten about finding the tadpole pics for you @Cuddlebear 🐸. Take care and talk soon 💜

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@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely how are you? How are things going? I’m finding it hard to catch up on forums.

You are such a caring person to think of having a fund for people like me unable to access the MH supports needed.

I don’t know much about Trusts and such but they sound complicated and expensive to set up.

I wish there were a fund like it. Thwt would make a big difference to people. Even better if our taxes paid for adequate supports.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Chasingsunsets Hello lovely how are you? So good to hear from you. I’m still having a tough time. Very challenging.

No worries whenever you can send through tadpoles all good. No pressure.

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@Cuddlebear @Chasingsunsets @Flutterbug9

I'm about to head out to coffee - will take the dogs with me since today is not one of their dog-walker days, and I haven't taken them for ages. One of the staff actually asked me last week how they are doing 😋. I'm a bit less tired than the past 2 days, so figure it is good for me to get out if I can because I am unlikely to tomorrow, and haven't been out of the house at all since Friday (furthest I went was the bins lol) -- but this was due to choice and tiredness.

I have been.. OK. no dramas, yay. but also nothing to "write home about". I put away a pile of things yesterday, making it easier to access the doorway it was blocking lol - yay. And I put on a load of sheets to wash today which will be finished in 10 minutes, so i can hang before I leave home (must remember!). On the weekend I forgot to hang out my washing from the morning until the evening 😅 - again lol. All good though. So this is "good". I have also been making myself salad & mince wraps for lunch and/or dinner the past few days -- that is much more effort than I can usually give. Ok, I am eating the mince cold so that I don't have to microwave it, but I really don't care; it does the job of being protein!

Doing these things are "a win" for me. Perhaps I have been able to do them because I have not gone out anywhere for 3.5 days now! 🤔

I've been listening/reading to the book the GP mentioned. I really like it and relate to it a lot (about autism) - although of course I still don't really know if my autistic-like traits are from autism or due to early-life depression & trauma. But either way, it does make sense of why life may be so exhausting for me. So much of it I think, "is it not like that for everyone?" -- and I know that all these traits are "normal" to a degree in 'neurotypical' people too -- but I have no idea what degree is "normal" vs neurodiverse-indications. That is so frustrating lol. I did learn about "bottom-up" vs "top-down" thinking. I am absolutely a bottom-up thinker, and it sorta explains why people would get frustrated at my asking why or explaining alternative perspectives/options or giving "too much" background/detail if they are top-down thinkers. I have always know I am a very lateral & tangental thinker compared to my sister and mother -- so many times I get the "huh? how did you get to that?" when I have forgotten to explain a link, so now I *always* say "I'm going to back up first, and explain how this links..." 🤣 because otherwise people get soo confused. But this is a "learned response"/adjustment during childhood lol. Just one example of what I am realising. I do want to re-listen/read and note down my thoughts as I go through it; would be a good point for conversation if I explore it further with either the GP or someone she recommends or with my counsellor (although she is not specialised in ND; I chose her for her trauma-specialisation. But she is accepting and herself has noted how i take things literal and atypical thinking, so she is open to talking about it and how it may affect me).

Sending you all hugs - whether it be an easy or hard day, or somewhere in-between.

My washing is now literally calling me (beeping; it's not connected to my phone though I guess).

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