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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself I don’t do dresses or skirts. Last skirt I owned was worn approx 20yrs ago to my mothers funeral as knew it was expected of me.

I had a larger wardrobe when I was employed with last few years being compulsory uniform. Uniform that had variety of colours and styles of tops each year.
Wardrobe was uniforms first, shirts and tops in colour order followed by jackets then trousers. Rest was non work clothing. Tops followed by jackets/windcheaters followed by jeans and track pants. Each section in specific colour etc order.

laundry was, still is, washed in same colour order and hung on line to dry in same with, as much as possible, peg colour being same as item colour.


numbers and letters have to run in order. End of last year I completely reorganised bag of 500+ felt tip markers to be in “right” order, according to my mind.

time consuming. Nothing “wrong “ with way I do things from my perspective. “Logic” aspect of my mind works differently than others is way I’ve got used to viewing it

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I’m waiting to see if any thoughts etc shared by anyone about what you mentioned @AlwaysMyself

I can see areas of overlap between what you have shared with aspects of my life as child up to 12yo.

way we processed things that were said appear to have been opposites

eg “learning” how to differentiate between how one aunt acted/reacted due to impact of MS
for me, growing up with aunt bedridden, her bed in the lounge room, was “normal”. I’m aware how impact of things with her in my pre teen years shaped aspects of my life, for me in a positive way. One items possibly having negative impact.

things I do that I attribute to my aunt

- humour as a coping mechanism

- acceptance of everyone

- downplaying my feelings for everyone’s benefit

- trying to make the best of each day

- physical restrictions due to medical reason/s is part of everyday life

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I love how ypur brain works with colours and number and themes @Flutterbug9 🥰😍. Absolutely nothing "wrong" with it; at the extreme end for some people it can just be a matter of figuring out how to cope with things *not* being in order in situations where we can't control/reorder them. Thats my take at least on it. And im not saying you are or are not in that range of getting distressed when its not ordered. Im just saying it as something i observe in populations. 😊. I too am very pragmatic about this like it sounds you are! 😋

I would feel at home in your wardrobe, so to speak 🤭.

I only have a few skirts and dresses. Mostly for formal occasions. I have 1 informal dress (but still smart enough for work). I might wear it once a year? I dont recall why i bought it. But if for some reason i feel i should wear a dress and its not too hot (its heavy material) then i will.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 I'm not sure i fully understand what you mean by processing things in opposite ways -- this is OK, but I'm curious and interested to understand better 😊 because i am not quite connecting the dots between your examples and what i meant by mine. Hence why i'm asking to clarify a bit more 🥰.

There are absolutely benefits in the coping strategies i have been taught too - e.g. being able to see the impacting factors. It helped me to not self-blame when it *wasn't* my fault (but still do accept responsibility when i *have* done something wrong or played a part in fueling it).

But the extreme that i then took it to was not beneficial for me - and thats what I'm trying to relearn; to learn that its still OK to have an experience the emotional pain *even if* you logically understand that someone was not doing it with their own intend to harm you.

I think i was always taught to rationalise emotion and thus dismiss the emotion -- not to sit with the emotion as valid even though we know why it is there.

Its like a parent telling a child to stop crying or feeling the pain from a fall - because the fall has happened, its been cleaned, and the threat is past now - crying won't help heal the graze. ...i feel that is how my MH has been handled growing up at home.

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@Flutterbug9 @Cuddlebear @MissGremlin

Me being a thinker/reflector and values-driven person. One of my 2 reflections and thoughts this morning; i am sharing in a way of showing my care and empathy for you all. Even though i know i cant help you specifically in this way.

People leave charitable bequeaths. Mostly welathy people, or people with no surviving family (or non-estranged ones!). But ... if ehen i pass away my situation is still as it is now - i have no dependents and my family are financially secure... then it makes more sense for me to bequeath money to something i would want it spent on.

For me, I wish any money I had "in excess" (which for me means when i pass, because i currently dont have enough liquid to support myself soon) could be used to fund MH supports for severe longterm MH for those who "slip through the cracks" of the public health system and other programs, who actually cannot afford to pay the fees to access the required longterm supports (rather than just deprioritise it like i did for many years - i could have paid for it if i felt it would have been if benefit. I cant afford to pay for *all* supoorts, but whilst working i could have paid for some - like i have been for the past year. Spend instead of save).

People in your situation is where i'd want my money to be spent. The cover the gap fees between MC rebates and the fees charged. To cover services once the 10 sessions has run out. To cover services MC doesn't fund at all but are required to help.

I'm also aware that my current savings wouldn't go far at all, even now before I start drawing from them in upcoming months. I don't feel I could divert inheritence from my parents to it though, because I feel obligated for it to stay in the family to my sibling unless she said she didnt want it. Actually, i would probably want to pass enough to pay off her mortgage in full - i could probably then feel content to donate the rest. 🤔

Sadly the overheads of setting up a trust with a manager of it would be far too great for what i would even inherit. 😢. I wish there was an organisation already out there that was setup for this exact charitable purpose to donate/bequeath to.

I don't currently have a will. Its on my list of "to do", but deliberably not being prioritised. But this makes me think... even what would be meaningful for me to out in a will is not really possible. The best i could do is to list it all to my sibling, and then with a letter to outline what i would wish (but no legal obligation) for the money to be put towards - which could include setting up a temporary fund with a MH service for them to administer until it ran out.

This is just my "ideal". And its from my reflections on how much i care for you, and how much i wish i could help if i were able to. Your voices and your experiences are meaningful. They help me consider what i'd want to change and how that could be done in small ways also. 😊

My idea may not ever be possible, even in 60 years! But know that its my hearts desire because you are all important and i see the holes in the systems flooring that you're falling through.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello @AlwaysMyself sweet, thankyou for sharing your reflections and thoughts with us. You truly have such a beautiful heart to be thinking about supporting those that slip through the cracks of the mental health system.

Know that you are so valued here in this community, you offer so much support for others even when things are hard for you. I appreciate all your support that you've given to me since you've been here, so from the bottom of my heart, thankyou sweetheart ❤️.

Sending you love and hugs ❤️.

Editing this to add something cos my brain forgot before until after I'd hit post 😂

How are you feeling today sweet?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself when we got married in aug 2015, my hubby wore a suit. I wore black trousers, floral batwing top and white lined jacket. Everyone who knew me knew I won’t be wearing a dress or a skirt. My partners (as he was) only request was for me to wear a feminine top. No make up, no trip to hairdresser

Apologies for the confusion. 4th time I’ve recently posted something that has caused confusion or miscommunication issues for the reader.

my understanding of things said is from young age experiences, way things were explained at some point started to impact on you in a negative way, resulting in your body blocking all levels of feelings/emotions which has led to current day issues. (If I’m wrong please let me know)

difference I was referring to is impact of “exposure” to things at young age and the way human brains react differently.

with MH services, it’s not due to lack of finances for me. My problem with getting help, support and being able to see MH specialists is due to lack of availability of services. Nothing else.
Mentioning things about my lack of income/ impact on my finances, appears you are confused. I receive 2 types of Government paid pensions each fortnight and will for rest of my life. My income is much higher than amount of any pension paid by centrelink. Last year I saw psychologist each 2 weeks for more than half the year. Lot more appointments than the 10 Medicare assists with. One of the various reasons I choose to have private health insurance

Do people say my colour organisation is extreme - yes, including to my face.

do I care what other think - no. If people can’t keep their views to themselves and respect things I do, I don’t want, need or keep those people in my life.

rather be left alone than put up with everything else

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKlSVNxLB-A

@AlwaysMyself @Cuddlebear

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I'm doing ok today @MissGremlin . Went out this morning for an hour and a half, but exhausted when came home. Just woken for a 4hr nap as a result 😅. Not sure why the outing was so tiring - i was sitting at a cafe with my mum and her friend for an hour, then sitting in the car whilst mum grabbed some groceries. Sitting. I think it was socialising and then car-heat maybe. But much less tired after my nap now 😊.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself glad you are doing ok sweet. I'd say it's potentially a combination of things. Was it a good time at the Cafe though? That's an impressive nap and it sounds like it helped ☺️.

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