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How to challenge your negative thoughts

How to challenge your negative thoughts

Hi @Shaz51 @Emelia8 @Eve7 @rav3n @tyme and others reading along -

I have been diagnosed with BPD, cPTSD, depression, anxiety, eating disorder. I am also a survivor of childhood sexual abuse.

I saw my dr today and he has suggested that i try to 'challenge my thoughts'. I am at the moment on a huge downer with my depression - no motivation, no interest in much, can't be bothered, angry with myself etc etc etc and my negative thoughts are instant. Once these negative thoughts are with me I 'go with it' and it 'drags me into a spiral of negative self thoughts' (hope this makes sense!!)

my question is - how on earth do i challenge my negative thoughts?? That's not something i do myself because i get so absorbed by my own thoughts. It never occurs to me that i need to stop and challenge it.

If i am with my dr or psychiatrist and they point it out - then after a little while with them i can see it but don't believe it. (this is not making sense???)

i am struggling at the moment and don't know how to write this to you all

i get angry with my dr because he has no idea how hard it is to challenge those very strong negative thoughts

a lot of those thoughts have been ingrained in me since a child and a lot of them i believe to be true; the exact truth

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Hi @BlueBay how are you travelling today?

I can really relate to your memory issues. Sometimes it's almost like my memories are 'stored' with different parts. And to my mind, the part of you that wants to 'sabotage' you (ie. getting sick so you don't have to work) probably just wants a break, an opportunity for you to rest. But the other parts that value your work (for money, purpose and meaning, sense of obligation, or whatever it happens to be) won't let you step back, which creates this internal friction, and thus more and more 'desperate' thoughts about what it would take for you to be able to get some respite. Does this resonate with you?

I think this happens to me at times too - internal conflict as a result of competition between my needs and my values. It can be so hard to find any balance hey, but I just wanted to reassure you that your 'weird behaviour' doesn't seem too strange to me 😉

It kinda relates to what @J_Oz (also hi, nice to meet you!) said about this hyper-critical voice being in conflict with your sense of self and your value-system I think, in that it can result in us saying and doing things, usually more impulsively, that aren't in line with who we are or who we want to be in the world.

Something I've been learning about my own 'parts' is that even when they're in conflict with my desires or values, it doesn't mean they aren't doing what they think is best for me. They just don't always go about it in a helpful or healthy way. But my psych still encourages me to turn towards them with compassion and understanding, because even though they do things I don't like, they are still part of me, and thus deserving of the same kindness that my whole self deserves. It's a work in progress! But we will get there won't we! One step at a time 😉💜

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Hi @Jynx

you’ve explained it so accurate.

I had a terrible emotional agitated angry session with my psychiatrist this morning. Can’t talk about it today still not coping. I’ll be back another time soon.

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@BlueBay no pressure, no rush. All at your pace hun, we'll be waiting in the wings when you're ready. Sending some soothing vibes, be gentle with your wonderful self ok? Take care 💜

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Hi @Jynx

I agree with your observations and theories about the different parts of the whole that make up our psyches. And I particularly like your recommendation to "make peace" with them by trying to understand and affirm those pieces. Those internal conflicts between the pieces that don't naturally fit together do pose some strategic challenges about how to integrate these fractions. But as you said, they are all part of us and we need them to work together.


I was wondering how you and other people would solve the problem of fitting together 'voices' or different facets of our psyches that don't necessarily fit together?

If I may, I'd like to start us off with a couple of ideas that may work for some, but I'd genuinely love to hear of other people's experiences and ideas, or if someone has investigated established theoretical studies/has been counselled on other methods?

Firstly, I think that there is possibly a social pressure to this challenge which is really an external issue. I think we naturally internalise these external social pressures and take responsibility to solve issues that were not ours to solve. It is probably very challenging if you are conscious of this at an early age in life where one doesn't have much agency. Additionally, and not to labour the following point, but if deliberate grooming is involved then there is a real issue of having a psychological battle with someone more older with malicious intent. But, even without that additional burden, just the social pressures of sexism, ageism, racism, etc.. all just distort our internal voices and we can demonise ones that are inherently blameless.

Secondly, I think that it is a human condition that we naturally rebel against authority. I maybe wrong and need someone to correct me, but I think that the anthropologists call this phenomenon "resistance". However, as anyone familiar with looking after children knows, as youngsters, we have little consideration of the problems and internal pressures of our adult social group members. And so, often it is just the nature of doing what we have the time and energy as parents, whilst also being wage earners and partners, that we are fallible creatures. In addition to that, they too have their own internal issues to deal with, along with the first point that I made: they too live in a world that is unjust, etc.. Most of these problems just cannot be fathomed by us as children.

So my theory on how to integrate these competing parts is that if we come to know the history, the time and place that we live, perhaps we may change and have a greater depth and perspective to make those alien parts of our psyches much more relatable?

And to reiterate what I said, I'd be very keen to know other people's theories on this challenge.

Regards

J.

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hey @Jynx

so all week i have struggled with agitation and being over emotional.

I ended up emailing my psych who suggested she could see me on Thursday. I went to see her and I picked up one of her playdoh she had in a basket. i ended up talking to her, crying and shredding this playdoh. squashed it, ripped it up with my hands. i was feeling so angry. she asked a few important questions relating to my state of mind currently. she was satisfied. but she prescribed me another med to help with the agitation. we talked a lot about my parents and how much i am missing my dad.

Yesterday i had a session with my psychologist. she decided it was a good time to try something different. she used these 'toy wooden egg shapes with different faces on them'. eg. a sad teary egg; a happy egg; an angry egg. she got me to choose two - how i was feeling right now. so i chose the sad teary one and the angry one.

i held them in each hand and she started asking me questions about how i was feeling; where the emotions were coming from and how old i was with each egg emotion. it ended up me talking about each egg emotion and telling her that the sad one was 8 yrs old and the angry one was 15 yrs old. she then told me to look at each one for a few seconds and then see how i felt. at the end i was still emotional but the angry one was trying to protect the younger one. it was like they were talking to each other.

there is much more work on this to do but it was interesting. i am still trying to process the whole session.

@Jynx i know my emotions are everywehre at the moment being so close to christmas. and i know that i have a beautiful family children and granddaughter and step granddaughters. i know the day will be filled with lots of love, food and laughter. But - i still miss my dad. i can't erase him from my mind, i think of him daily. it's the saddest part of the year apart from his birthday and fathers day.

i better stop otherwise my anger will take over. going to make a coffee and sit outside while listening to christmas carols.

hi also to @J_Oz @rav3n @AuntGlow @tyme @Shaz51

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Hi @BlueBay

cc: @Jynx, @AuntGlow, @rav3n

What you said about your psychologist activity is very interesting. I think it sounds like you are really honing in on some of the competing core parts of your psyche. You mentioned that you chose the parts of you that are represented by a sad 8 year old and an angry 15 year old, if I read your message correctly. I am guessing that you are relating to relationships within the spheres of those time periods that produce the associated emotions? If that is true, I imagine that you are referring to conflicts within these relationships that were not resolved?

As a simplified model of conflict, I consider that the options in these relationship dynamics to be one of three options, and the endless range of combinations between those states: domination/subordination, compromise and cooperation. I am guessing that the conflict was resolved against your perceived interest and therefore sits on one of the first two options: you were compromised or even dominated?

Perhaps in addressing the topic of this conversation that you have tabled under the banner of "How to challenge your negative thoughts" would be to flesh out those time periods. It isn't necessarily within this forum that you should articulate this exercise... but if there is some credit to my initial assumption: mental health can be gaged by how well we can produce a public narrative about our internal parts, how well we can integrate these components, how well we can give all these parts a positive "spin" and role within this narrative, how well we can formulate relationships within your current social ties that give positive expression to all these different parts... then perhaps if there is merit to these assumptions, it would seem that a concentration on the eight year old and the fifteen year old voices within your psyche could give a concrete lift to your whole mental wellbeing and challenge your negative thoughts. This would make sense if the assumption that having an internal conflict goes some way to understand the drivers of your negative thoughts, then by that same argument, giving the painful pieces a place to express themselves and a place of expression to be affirmed, would by the same reasoning, challenge the negative thoughts.... in fact, it would probably give these problematic pieces a place for healthy social engagement and a new outlet for living a more integrated life with others.

Anyhow, I would be interested if any of these thoughts make sense in your circumstances.

Hope you find your way in your difficult time.

Kind regards

Jase.

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Right now I don’t care about anything

so damn angry in a matter of minutes

hubby is making me very angry to the point of wanting to run away

he said something that was not my fault

always huffing and puffing around

I’m now outside while he’s inside

so so angry

@rav3n @Jynx @AuntGlow @tyme @Shaz51

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Aww sorry to hear that @BlueBay , hope he settles down soon and that is can be sorted out , whatever the problem was

Sitting with you

@Lapis_Anteater

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Hey @BlueBay I was just in the middle of responding to your other post, but just wanted to quickly let you know that we're here for you.

Glad you've got some space hun, and don't forget how much your breath can help you to begin soothing your nervous system. Here's a lil gif that might help -

Take it slow hun, step by step, and let us know if there's anything we can do to support you right now 💜

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Hey @BlueBay

We are here to support you. It’s great that you’ve created some space between you and him. If you can try to ride the emotion out and remember that it will pass. It doesn’t make right now any easier though. Thinking of you

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