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A strange dream and it's meaning...

A strange dream and it's meaning...

Hi everyone,

a few nights ago I had a dream in which I learnt my friend died. In the dream I was a bit surprised that she had died, but I wasn't sad about it, in fact I felt nothing much at all. She is relatively young and healthy - so I didn't expect she would go and die; that's all.

In the dream, I decide that I'll write a nice tribute to her on facebook. I don't even really feel like I want to do that much, but I know I have to be seen to do something socially acceptable, so that is what I decide I must do.

What a strange dream!! Me in super-uncaring mode!

In reality, my friend is perfectly fine. I have had a very long history of somewhat uncomfortable interactions with her that culminated in a tense argument over 10 years ago. Since then, we have not exactly been close, although we go through all the motions of being good to each other and sharing news of our private lives.

Recently, I had the thought that I'm very glad she doesn't call me often, as I don't like the way she pumps me for advice and then rings off. The conversation seems quite one-sided, at times.

Anyone else out there ever had a dream like this? Such a strange dream!!

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Yes, absolutely @Former-Member,

@utopia is so right, it's fine to jump in and talk about anything at any time.

Thanks for all your thoughtful input!

Yes, I can see that people (like my friend from my dream and like you, in the past) could have an MI and not realise it. In fact, even though I was always anxious and emotionally volatile, I didn't really see this as 'having an illness' or that it was something that could be helped, either.

It wasn't until I went completely bonkers about 11 years ago that I knew I had a MI issue. Even then, heaps of stuff only dawned on me in hind-sight. Now I believe that I can see everything clearly.

So with my friend.... yeah. I can see where she is at. I don't like it and it makes me worried but 15 years of conversations have got us no-where! And I'm withdrawing from her very gradually and naturally. I do not believe she even notices my retreat. I think that if it had been noticed by her then my best friend would have dropped a big hint to me! But she hasn't.

It's all good. I mean I it's all ok for me anyway.

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@Former-Member Hijack away

I really liked your input.

I cant believe that I did not put 2+2 together about my own CSA.

I was big on taking responsibility and personal agency and a bit feminist, but had to be told last year at age 56 that yes you were abused ..

so much for all that study and self awareness .. couldnt see the obvious.

then all of a sudden it all fell into place .. mostly I was blamed .. didnt realise it for a long time ..the old victim blaming .. or as my uncle .. said .. the best defence is a good offence .. not condoning .. but many people do it .. blindly even ..

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Hi @Appleblossom,

thanks for writing. Victim-blaming is such a huge problem, isn't it? I hope I am not victim-blaming with my friend.... I don't think I blame her...

After all, I went through the whole thing myself... living through a very bad relationship with a manipulative liar.

I'm sorry to hear what happened to you. I think a lot of women can present a strong image to the world and be very proactive and yet be stuck in an abusive relationship at home. And perhaps because they are so strong, successful and motivated, they don't see themselves as 'abused'.

"Abuse" is such a strong word... it gives me shudders.

In fact, even though I was in a relationship with a manipulative liar and I left that relationship... I still find it hard to say "He was emotionally abusive towards me." I just say "He was immature, emotionally withdrawn, manipulative, a liar and insensitive." That about sums it up.

Same with my Mum.... I have had plenty of people on forums such as this one say "Your Mum's behavior was abusive." But I have never called it that myself. Interestingly enough, none of the counsellors I ever saw used the term "abuse" when referring to my Mum's behavior, either.

I just say she was an angry, critical woman who was emotionally volatile and very unpredictable. She could be normal one moment and screaming at me the next. She didn't swear or call me names, she just yelled orders at me, mainly. A few times it got very personal, when she criticized my dress-sense.

Anyway.... I believe my friend from the dream will stay in her abusive (or just very unhappy?) relationship with her husband. She has a very strong belief in marriage and she loves him, anyway. The trauma she must be going through to stay in that marriage has made her into a preoccupied, confused, exhausted friend who I find it difficult to relate too.... and whose conversation is entirely one-sided.

I suppose it does sound like I am blaming her.... I'm glad you have made me think, @Appleblossom and @Former-Member. I hope I can find more compassion for her.

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Sometimes, in the back of my mind, I think this:

I left my bad relationship.

If my friend were to tell me the whole truth about what was happening with her husband; then I would urge her to leave him, too. (as it is, I only know about the 'abuse' second-hand.)

She won't ever leave her husband.

Therefore, she we refain from telling me the whole truth, so as she doesn't have to hear the words "leave him!"

So we are stuck with smoke and mirrors.

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@Sahara

I think that's a trap many many women find themselves in. Easier to rest in denial than face the ugly truth about ourselves and our relationships. Especially when that awareness is such a solitary endeavour, we don't know how and we are raised to be dependent on others. In my opinion. The learned helplessness I have spoken of. I have four sisters. We all have this learned helplessness. My mother used to say, "I can't cope" a hundred times a day in as many different contexts - everything from making the dinner to helping a friend or teaching a child about a difficult life lesson. I can't cope became our response to everything too. Run away, lean on someone else or do the self-centred inward looking conversation thing your friend does. Bury it, brush it under the carpet. Just don't deal with it. Whatever 'it' was. Anyone relate?

thats why I think having a massive crisis and walking though the dark veil alone is actually a huge gift. The second half of my life is going to be an aware one. Where there is fear, I will cultivate the courage to deal with it. Where there is confusion, I will find the peace and clarity if I just use the tools I have found work for me. And so on....

and learn to manage the reactivity that is now a p art of daily life the best I can, and let myself off the hook when I fail to manage it well

i read poor Mandy going through hell and I totally relate to that place of begging, grasping, pleading anyone to just get me outta here! Please take this pain away! Thrashing around like a wounded animal. Took me a year of that before I dawned on the possibility that only I could get myself outta there ! Ha ha ha ha. It was terrifying and I felt very sorry for myself, but when I finally found faith that I could do it, and a time-worn path for doing it trod by millions before me (Buddhist psychology and philosophy) my journey to recovery began. I'm sure you can relate......

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@Sahara Marriage was huge for me too. I can relate to both your friend and your frustration of being a friend to her.

Out in the community everywhere I go people are struggling with relationships .. deeply struggling .. to keep some semblance of goodwill together .. to overlook their pain and hurt and differences.

@Former-Member is right about the denial. Buddhist psychology has helped me too. My problem is more with compulsive caregiving and compliance with others. Self reliance can only go so far in a world jam packed with people.

The quality of the conversation gives me a lift.

Thanks

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@HeavenlyQueen wrote:

thats why I think having a massive crisis and walking though the dark veil alone is actually a huge gift. The second half of my life is going to be an aware one. Where there is fear, I will cultivate the courage to deal with it. Where there is confusion, I will find the peace and clarity if I just use the tools I have found work for me. And so on....


Thanks, @Former-Member

I think you could be right... I think my nervous breakdown may have been a bit of a gift, too! I see things so differently now. Because now I am aware of things.... to a whole new degree.

If I hadn't have gone completely bonkers with a MI, then maybe I would still be in my unhappy relationship? I don't know.

I had to cope alone, like you, @Former-Member. I had no-one. I had to drag myself along to all the professionals and get myself sorted out. It was so hard. But I felt I had no choice, what else could I do? I just had to soldier on. Luckily, I listened to the professionals and I took all the meds. I didn't think twice about it.... I didn't have a "plan B"! I just did what I could.

I grew up to be quite independent.... my mantra was always "I have to cope." Because I knew I had no-one who would ever come to my rescue.

I'm sorry to hear about your Mum.... I wonder, did she cope with life? Was she really unable to cope or was she just falling back on saying that? Are you close to her now?

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@Appleblossom,

I'm glad you are enjoying the conversation; me too! It's really made me think.

I can relate to being a comuslive care-giver... I really want to move away from that role, now. That's part of the thing with my friend.... I don't think I can be her counsellor. It's not healthy... she needs a professional.

Also: do you think people who listen to others' problems may in some cases be pepetuating those problems? Becuase the person with the problem feels they are being listened to, they get sympathy (or empathy), it makes them feel better; they feel understood..... soooooooo....... maybe they will postpone making decisions because all the talking is easing their discomfort to a degree?

I just wonder. I am not talking about professional counselling here... I am talking about someone who just gets listened to and affirmed by a friend.

I would not be surprised at all if my 15 years or sympathy for my friend has had a negative effect!!

1. I have failed to address the issue of her abusive domestic situation, as I officially don't even know about it! (I only hear of it second-hand)

2. I avoid saying what I really think, because I don't want to upset her. I'm worried that if I am too direct with her- she will blame me if things maybe get a lot worse before they get better. I just soothe her.

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@Sahara

My Mum was NOT a coper. She had a nervous breakdown and sat staring at her bedroom floor for several years, right when I was adolescent. Unfortunate. But I found a surrogate Mum like many teenagers do. My mother was deeply narcissistic all her life. The adored youngest child, a socialite until she married the biggest 'catch' in the district, then horribly resentful and disappointed all her life when, instead of becoming a commercial pilot after the war, he took her to the family farm where she was socially isolated and looked down on everyone there. Life for all of us became entirely about 'making Mum happy' in order not to have all our daily lives an absolute misery! Life revolved around her needs, wants, requirements for herself. Our needs always came last on the list. We all learnt to be enablers. Over giving, over caring, over trusting, over invested in attending to everyone else's needs before our own. You might recognise that @Appleblossom?

She died a year after my husband (a narcissistic sociopath) suddenly and unexpectedly abandoned me when I became wheelchair bound and could no longer supply him with every kind of support as I had for ten years. She was already demented and didn't know about the abandonment. Or the deep betrayal of each sister, one by one. But Bless her, she is now supporting me! Her inheritance was the only thing I managed to stop my husband taking.

i lost my home, my husband (who morphed into the worst demonic monster you can imagine ), my career, my new home-based business, my family, many friends (whom hubby convinced I was the abusive one), my reputation, my faith in God via life-long Anglicanism, and my MIND! I was burgled, I lost all the data on my computer via a Trojan, I went to a fraudulent mental health retreat, I was bullied and abused in online forums, I got two incompetent lawyers one after another. It was absolutely unbelievable and I had trouble believing it myself. I don't normally tell others, as the full extent of my Years in Hell sound like I am making it all up to get the sympathy vote! I still struggle with incredulity and have to revisit some facts over and again with my Hakomi therapist.

but any martyrdom I might have felt has gradually subsided to compassion for myself. Previously, victim and martyr were favourites. So when I was REALLY victimised, I worked through all that complicated victim stuff to my satisfaction.

as I said before, I now see this PTSD as a gift. I can see and accept the world and myself as it really is and not the way I'd like it to be. I can see that recovery is possible, and am still exploring therapies that might work and finding reading a library of books from various disciplines fascinating and useful. I have a roof over my head and I'm used to living off the smell of an oily rag. I got out of the wheelchair and even ditched the cane a few weeks back. I learnt to tolerate pain. I have more hope every time I check in for a deep inner health check. I kind of lost everything (I renounced my family), but I gained a clean slate. The opportunity to write a new story and find a new purpose. And the courage to do it all myself at last.

no man is an island, but I am now very choosy about who stays in my life from the past. I just don't hang out with drunks, rude people, liars, gossips and so forth. Harsh, but necessary for me. And finally, looking out for 'me' isn't selfish and worthy of shame. And as I start to move out of isolation and into the real world - like this forum- My antennae for users, abusers and manipulators are better developed for self protection. And as my strength and wisdom and compassion grow, I might one day be able to help other women who suffered as I did.

phew!

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Hey @Sahara! Interesting point! Kind of enabling her victim mentality or her martyrdom?

i know that on advice from the buddhadharma, I stopped asking for help from normal people. Shrinks call it 'clienting'. Learning to say nothing, not throw the second punch, stop reaching out to others was the hardest first step. Keep the whole catastrophe inside and learn to tolerate the enormity of it. Unless they genuinely ask - and not every, "but how are you REALLy feeling?" is a genuine enquiry!!

also, not needing to know all the answers before making moves forward. Resting in "I don't know", as I call it.

have you seen the visual gag? A post it note on a desk. Says, "Out of my mind. Back in five minutes"

xx

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