I did go to the doctor @utopia @Kurra .. wasn't usual one that barely have seen anyway. Got so caught up in stuff forgot to ask re counselling, well it wasnt quite a total 'bust' ..but think may have to take self for a drive to perth soon to see old doctor, not getting anywhere with these ones ..I supplied paperwork ie results from stuff, offered phone numbers, he just looked at me said to get details I supplied copied to put on file on my way out. anyway was back related stuff i was trying to put him in the picture with as it has flared up again, anyway feeling like a crock not helping me in general etc.