Motion - new pathways - air -sea -land -us

Hello @EternalFlower

Sorry to hear that your team are not supportive along with doctor not being there for you.

That is dreadful.

The MH system is falling apart. It seems to be failing many in so many different areas.

If there is one person at least who stands out from the others try to reach out to them.

Do you have a good Gp?

I am hoping that you get that earlier appointment on Monday with your psychiatrist. If the lifeline has worked for you in between keep on ringing them. It is a good backup measure to use in between other appointments. You deserve this support and more.

Well you also have a strong group of travelling friends here moving with you.

Stay true to yourself.

Good night for now

Lights out.

Hello @StanD

Honesty is what I ask for and you are following through.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

I am happy to just leave it alone.

You be you and I will be me.

I will give you space and respect you so not an issue for me.

Goodnight

Hello @EternalFlower

I am glad to know you feel my kindness. I am a very good person. I understand feelings of lucky. Yes, I really do. Strangely, when I read this in your reply, I think it's a lovely compliment, yet I don't want you to feel lucky. I need you to feel you deserve kindness.

Is it ok to even, expect it?

I know it is.

I'm pretty sure this isn't you Eternal (thanks motion) Im hearing you know this too.

You feel incredibly stuck. Relying on the only supports you have been told are the right ones.

They do a job. They help. They don't really give us what we want & need.

We have followed the rules. Now we are confused. Why didn't I make the progress I needed? Was it me? Maybe I didn't listen to a crucial instruction?

After a while. This becomes nonsense. Obvious gaps in a system we are taught to go to seek help.

There is healthy thought in your idea to leave.

This is a healthy, well mind - not sick.

Mandatory disclaimer: I am not giving medical advice. I am not trained professional.

I am looking at elements objectively & only exploring.

Then what? You leave. What is option A?

Do you need contingency plans?

Are there no options?

My opinion eternal flower - your mind is well.

Thankyou @Former-Member

hello there @StanD Mate, I gotta tell you , you sound like your really at the wheel tonight mate. The little bit you gave me. Its going on my ice-cream with the blue berries. I like it when you are on a high. . . . . big time. .

Yes mate. good people are on those other buses, and they are looking back at us and pondering the same. I have know Idea how old you are, but much younger than me I suspect.

And thats what makes me smile. Young people like you are questioning everything. Mate, when I was young I realy didnt think much beyond the next pay check. Some one or something will show you your purpose and you'll dine with kings. I just got a feeling about you guys on this thread.

Not saying folk don't like me. Just not many peoples cup of tea. Their beverage choice is my failing, not their poor taste. I don't want to be all things to all people, just the ones that like thin ice and sharp skates.. . . As for the rest, I learn heaps from them too, and I just have to learn the art of being a little more lateral and polite.

I said on a post a few weeks ago that I bartered my pride to a lady at the markets for a dream catcher and a hand full of magic beans. She should have know better.

See . . . it costs me nothing to take a point of view I don't agree with, and try and win a case with it. really helps too feel a different standpoint. I re visit Ideas and perspectives on a daily bases and I Know, that I know less now than when I first embarked on my journey of life,

These days more and more , old fools like me, look to young folk like you for the answers to a planet in peril. . . . . so don't listen to much to the fool on the hill. laugh, regale,.

enjoy but trust and grow your own confidence, bit by bit.

As it happens, Ive got an old Takamine solid top guitar, fender strings just strung, and just for you mate, I'm gonna take a chair and my bottle and play some tunes to old Bess. I thought she was too old and now look at her, 8 little bubs. . . . . and you know I keep my word.

Tonys moon base one. Dont forget to dream.

Thankyou @tonys I really needed this. Keep writing. We need you.

Keep writing everyone. I need all of you.

Steel string. Bess is happy as a..

My grandmother had cancer. Always dressed dignified. Beautiful, like a movie star in her youth, I'm thinking greta Garbo. In her old age, as I knew her, very pretty. She was always in pain, as medical treatments for cancer were different back then. I think it was only us grandchildren, love of family that kept her alive. She hid all her pain. Never asked for help. She blamed others in a way. Her pride was all she had. That is what I was taught was important. Be distinguished, carry myself, do everything on my own, never express pain, be 'strong.'

I don't think I'm younger than you.

I speak from a place that appears young because honesty is innocence. It is wise beyond its years.

Sharp skates on thin ice. Not at all safe.

Thankyou tonys

Yes I knew you had a guitar, I see things too. Luv ya mate.

@Former-Member please don't give me space. Mixed emotions is not a bad thing. You started this chapter. The title is perfect. I will reply in my way, & you will be you. Sounds perfect to me. What do you think?

Hello @EternalFlower I hope you are getting thru the weekend. Maybe goals for the week ahead. Maybe a goal of doing nothing.

Hello @LeChuck how are you? I'm looking forward to knowing more about you. So far, I see brightness & lightness. Kindness. I know you must have pain too. My goodness it can all be a tangled vine that keeps growing. Knowing more... Knowing less... paradox of growth. Please write, I like the energy you bring🤞 If I come across as rude or blunt, it's the autism. No filter. Tell me you disagree or don't speak to me. However feels comfortable for you. I'm focusing on same.

@tyme Hope you are well & can continue to contribute. You are valuable, more than I know.

I would like to request that SANE team do not email me, (unless emergency) Please, if you could address me here on the forums in future. I won't respond to emails. It feels corrupt to be sent an email to my private address, with no name attached, and secret. Those types of interactions are for people we know & trust. Yes, it felt quite invasive, thus I don't want to communicate with SANE in this way. Thankyou tyne.

Hi @StanD I would just like to address your request that SANE doesn't email you. I can completely respect that it feels like an invasion of your privacy, and will be passing this information on to our Community Manager so the team are aware of your preferences. I will also say, in the interest of transparency, that you may still receive email communications from us. We have quite a large moderation team, who are trained to follow our practices and procedures, and they may not all have awareness of your preference. We also do need to be able to take some conversations 'offline' in order to ensure the safety of our members and of the community.

There are two main reasons why we might email members (though there are other cases where email might be necessary) - firstly if a member presents with risk, we have a Duty of Care (a legal obligation) to address and, where possible, mitigate risk. This process is conducted via email in the interests of ensuring we are able to have private conversations with our members. This can give members a chance to speak freely to us of their situation, allowing us to work together to ensure our members are getting the best support possible.

Secondly, in the event of a breach of guidelines, we utilise emails to contact members to inform them of the breach, as well as what the next steps of that process are in terms of whether a simple post edit is sufficient, or whether more actions need to be taken.

Both of these processes are conducted via email in the interests of safety - both of the individual member and the community at large. Our moderation team will usually (but not always) sign off the email with their username, so that you know who is contacting you and why. You might find it useful to review our community guidelines, as well as have a read through of our post about posting safely about suicide online, as this might help you avoid situations that typically result in email contact from our team.

If you have any questions about these processes, please feel free to let us know.

Thankyou @StanD , your words are so kind! I hope I can bring some lightness and kindness to this world.

I am doing well today, a little fragile but taking care of myself and not pushing further than I can handle.

Yes there are thorns of pain on my vines but also green leaves and flowers! The beauty of the plant is in the whole, not just the pretty parts.

About myself, I love plants. I am studying to be a garden maker.

It's quiet on the thread today.

I know I don't post much but I find myself missing you all and your perspectives very much.

Hope you are all ok.

X LeChuck

Hello @StanD

Thank you

You have shown me that you took time to think about my words to you and my suggestion of

me being me and you being you.

My giving you space does not mean my ignoring you. When I say that I will give someone space I mean that I will let them have time to think about what is the best choice for them. I will be guided by their response.

Yes I agree with you about mixed emotions also.

Recognising that you have them is a great help as you are given a chance to try to work out what the emotions might be as well as why you might be feeling them.

Here we are now.
You are using my language which lets me feel valued.

Do you remember feeling that and writing to me at the beginning of this thread that you experienced that? You will find it if you look back at your first posts on here.

so we have met again on a new pathway.

I too like this chapter and all of our travellers here.

This is what I think that your response was beautiful, caring and I feel valued

Perhaps we are movers and shakers as well

@EternalFlower @StanD @tonys @tyme @chibam @LeChuck