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Bad Nights

Bad Nights

I need some support here guys.

Does anyone here have bad nights. I get night terrors and it takes me ages to ground myself afterwards. I struggle to understand that it is just my mind and not actually happening but everyone around me says it's not happening and that I need to trust them. I sleep on the floor with no blankets so I'm cold and it's easier to wake up, have bells on my door, have my dog in the room but nothing seems to work to reinforce that there is no one coming into my room.

I am doing EMDR ( just starting). Does anyone have any experience with this? I am finding it completely overwhelming.

it would be great to hear other people's experience as I need some hope that things will get better.

Thanks.

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Hi @Former-Member and welcome to the forums. Thanks for the tag @Zoe7 . Some really good advice being given here, as well as a deep level of understanding and acceptance.

First let me say sorry for the delay in responding. I'm not on the forums every day at the moment, tho' I've been around since 2014. The forums have helped me enormously at times and I've made some really solid friendships and met some very interesting people. Wishing the same for you @Former-Member . I have bipolar 1 along with complex and chronic PTSD (which impact on and trigger each other at times) that started as a child and has been reinforced many times by subsequent traumatic events over 5 decades.

All that results in me having long term sleep difficulties. On a good night I get around 5 short sleeps, on a rough night it's more like 7 or 8. So even if it adds up to what most people think is a good amount, it's very rarely refreshing. I could give a long explanation of everything I've tried but will try to keep it shorter. For many years I was having what I call 'jump starts', where I'd be standing and ready to run before I even realized I was awake. And very traumatic nightmares. That has changed most of the time since getting onto a med (p.......) which is not a sedative, but is indicated in chronic PTSD nightmares. We're not allowed to mention med names here, sorry. The effect which is most nights now is that even if I do become aware of a nightmare, I wake more gently and forget the details quite quickly. I don't have a full-on flooded adrenal response and get into a flight/freeze state. My psychiatrist has explained that I am dreaming when not in REM sleep phase and that this is common for people with PTSD. I also get anxiety around taking sedatives and not being able to react if I need to (relating to being hypervigilant in many ways), so even quite strong ones don't make a lot of difference. I still use them occasionally and manage at least to get one 4 or 5 hour sleep which is a significant improvement on my usual 1-2 hour naps. But it's easy to develop a tolerance and dependance with them so I try to do it infrequently.

Something I have found quite recently is that I get a deeper sleep in the early part of the night in a recliner chair I bought a couple of months ago. I wonder if this might be worth a try for you too. I rarely take more than 10-15 minutes to fall asleep in it.

What I've found is best for me is to get up for a little while each time I wake and go into a different room if possible. This contradicts 'sleep hygeine' guidelines (you can google that) but I think I get back to sleep easier after being up briefly than if I try to stay horizontal in the bed. I also had a sleep study done some years ago and the specialist said that even if you can't sleep, lying down in the dark with eyes shut is almost as beneficial. I don't know if that's true or not. So sometimes when I go back to lying down that is what happens, but with the p... med I'm not dwelling on the nightmare content and more able to do some breathing exercise or visualization. (again many types can be found by googling, but the simplest is very slow deep breathing, counting in to at least 4 and out to at least 6). Sometimes I also visualize myself in a capsule of light, going through the colours of the rainbow.

I am also currently doing EMDR some sessions with my psychologist, whom I see most weeks. We spent nearly 2 years laying down a 'trauma map' and developing trust and rapport, interspersed with talk sessions around current managing issues and strategies, NDIS etc, and started the EMDR maybe mid last year. She had around 8 months maternity leave since and we started doing it again a couple of months ago. She is highly trauma informed (and a Dr - 'clinical psychologist) and also an EMDR trainer. Also a very compassionate listener and good question asker. Before we started with the EMDR we spent some time developing a safe space for me to anchor in before and after, with one visualization of a vault to lock things in between sessions (I see a shipping container) and one of a soothing place to go to if distressed (I use a purple waterfall and take myself into a cave behind it). It's true that we can become 'flooded' with trauma responses during a session, but I know I am safe with her by now and my safe space is actually her office. I also plan my week around having time out for a few hours after an EMDR session as we often have a down phase after the flooding passes, an exhaustion after an adrenal rush.

For me it is working well. I can actually feel that when I get triggered it's not as primal a response from the back of my brain; I am able to respond at times rather than simply react, and the flooded feelings of adrenalin etc pass more rapidly and less intensely. And it happens less often. I am more able to move to a safe space and not just freeze or flee.

Hoping some of this is helpful for you. I must stress that we can only speak from our own experience in these forums and I'm not making recommendations as such.

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Thanks @eth and @ @saltandpepper @Zoe7

it is great to hear your stories and experiences thank you for sharing. There are lots of great suggestions for me to try and to think about. I see my psych next week so hopefully she will have some ideas as I am finding things harder and harder. Luckily day naps are keeping me going.

My safe space that I have worked out with my psych is my house after a run and hearing my kids waking up. I have also tried tapping but haven’t found this useful. But my body just can’t relax. I understand the theory behind being hyper vigilant flight/freeze response. But I haven’t been able to translate theory into practice and belief to make things easier. I guess maybe I need to appreciate that it’s ok to be where I am at the moment given that I haven’t been on this journey very long. I just need for things to change. But I guess there is a big part of me that is reluctant to fully commit to being open about the trauma and memories as I feel like things are out of control enough at the moment - that anymore I’m not sure about. But I guess I just have to keep going if I want to get my kids back. I’m glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t sleep in a bed. I just wish what I know and understand would line up with these overwhelming feelings. EMDR from what I have read is often beneficial for people, I’m glad you are finding it helpful @eth . Having noise (bird) going in the background didn’t make a difference last night but the moon was beautiful. I go outside lots during the night. My dog is so important to me. The feel of her fur and ears helps me to get my body moving and not just completely tensed up unable to get moving again.

How do do you guys keep your days and nights from being consumed by what is going on in your head. I wish my head would just stop so that I could have a break.

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@Former-Member I keep pretty busy. I don't allow too much time to stop and think ...but then I am in a lot better place than I was a few years ago. Then I was in a similar position - every minute of the day was consumed with just trying to get through. Those negative and unhelpful thoughts were constant. Just like you - my dog (and cat) kept me going. I knew I had to look after them even if I couldn't look after myself. The other thing that really kept me going was this forum - I spent many days and nights talking to other members, some helping me out and at other times me helping them - it was a two-way street and that really helped.

I think the important thing is to find what works for us and build on that. It may be setting small goals to achieve each day and gradually building those up, it may be talking about what is going on for us, what is in our heads and what we are feeling. For me that was not always the way to go because it was simply too hard at times. I did begin EMDR and I also did begin talking about my trauma but I also stopped when it got too much. The decision was then made for me (in consultation with me) to move forward without looking back - and that was a relief. I still have bad days, get triggered, have nightmares and flashbacks but I allow myself to sit with the feelings that come up and acknowledge the pain rather than fighting it - that has been the biggest difference. Doing that allows me to get through it and then I move on - it is not easy and has taken a hell of a lot of practice and work but it is now something that really helps me.

It is hard to find those things that work - and they do not always work effectively - but once you find even the smallest things that help you can begin to build upon them. Painting and writing were two things that helped me ....and of course my fur babies - all things I enjoyed before I got sick I tried to get back into ...and that helped to begin to work forward again.

Don't get me wrongthough - it was years before I could get to that stage so I very much get how hard it isfor you at present. But we are here for you so reach out, write, cry, sleep, run, talk ...whatever you need to do to find a path through

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Struggle town today. Called mental health team but skeleton staff and didn't know her so just left it. Need sleep but don't want it. Think it's a day for hiding away

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Hi @Former-Member sorry for the delay getting back to you again. I'm just not wanting to be online much at the moment, so not around on the forums. After 17 months as a community guide and here most days I have needed to step back a bit for a while. But I am still following your thread.

Sorry to hear the mental health team at the hospital wasn't able to help you. Hoping things have settled down a little for you by now.

To answer your question about how to quiet constant thoughts at night - for me the secret is finding quiet activities that are not over-stimulating. Like colouring mandalas in an adult colouring book or crochet or collaging, or writing (even just a journal but sometimes poems and short stories). Or if it happens when I'm trying to go to sleep I use mantras and visualizations combined with breathing exercises, or even just count my breathing in and out and slow it down. I try to avoid the computer at night as they say the blue light is stimulating. You can google 'sleep hygeine' for a lot of guidelines for better sleep. There are also threads on the forums that have a lot of suggestions like Coping Box , toolbox or Re: Topic Tuesday// Managing your anxiety during uncertain times - with WayAhead // Tues 25th August, 7-8:30PM AEST that may be helpful to you.

I do know that for me a lack of sleep over consecutive nights can be a trigger to become hypomanic (elevated and accelerated but not quite manic) and then that will trigger further unrest, so I monitor my sleep closely, keep a note of the hours slept, and if I go more than a couple of nights with significantly less sleep I talk to my psychologist and psychiatrist about it. There are several meds I've tried but none of them solve the problem completely. The best I can manage is 4 or 5 hours in one block, and that's rare.

Best wishes, Eth

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