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Boundary setting: Hints and quotes

Boundary setting: Hints and quotes

Boundaries are often mentioned in this forum and I think that understanding how they fit in with mental illness is very helpful. Over the next little while I will be posting hints and quotes in relation to boundary setting and please feel free to do the same.

Understanding the difference between boundary setting and enabling too is wise. Enabling is a term that generally relates to substance abuse and an obvious example of this is giving a drunk a drink but extends to us doing things for someone which we think is kind but results in making it easier for them to continue unacceptable or irresponsible behaviours.

Dave Ramsey says that "Charity is participating in someone's healing" and I think in one setting where this is most apparent is in relation to adult children who live with their parents.

I felt that @Gemma20 was spot on and entirely reasonable with a boundary she is thinking of setting in another post where she writes:

"I am thinking of saying to him that we genuinely care about him and want to see him reach his goals. I will say that to live here permanently we have these conditions

1. Seek counselling Headspace has helped our other daughter.

2. Find a good GP you can build trust with.

3. Start thinking about what study etc you may want to undertake

4. Not sleeping past 10am during the week when you are not working.

5. Assist with chores around the house

6. Pay $50 board."

Having a clear understanding of how much, if any food is included in the board and when the $ amount will be reviewed might also be something Gemma might consider documenting in this proposed agreement.

A summary of boundaries is that

a. Each party is clear as to what the person making the boundary considers to be a reasonable condition or the person with whom the boundary is being set is clearly told what behaviours will not be tolerated and

b. If the line is crossed, what clearly articulated consequences they can expect to happen and

c. Understanding that for boundaries to work that the person who made them must enforce the consequence; it is not negotiable and

d. Being kind to ourselves in the process and grieving if needed. We cannot take responsibility for others actions.

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Hi @SJT63

I hear you. My now ex, has c-ptsd and adhd. He was also rapid cycling and sounds very similar to yours in behaviours. I basically collapsed and found my own psychologist who essentially told me that I wasn't protecting myself enough and that separation was necessary.

I do not know what more you can do for your partner. What you describe is exactly how I lived for two years. I had to make the decision to put myself first. I had no alternative. You can't support anyone when you're that scared and exhausted.

Here for you in any way I can be.

Rabbit.

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@SJT63

Can I suggest you contact 1800 respect, they have counseling staff who are qualified to help.

https://www.1800respect.org.au/

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Hi @SJT63 I don't have the same situation as you, although my daughter can have similar behaviours when she is highly activated. I'm not sure, but is it worth seeking some professional guidance & advise from a DV support service? https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/Find-Help/Support-Services has listings for each State/Territory, theres Lifeline & the link to 1800Respect posted by @Former-Member (I think).

I just want you to know that you have support on this forum & even though it can be the hardest thing to do when it involves a loved one, taking some steps to care for yourself is so important. Feeling for you & sending strength xx

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A question comes to mind @SJT63 - Does your partner take any responsibility for his health by going to any therapy?

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@FindingStrength

oh yes, he sees a psych every three weeks - and takes his meds every day - she has referred him back to a counsellor he saw before I met him, but he hasn't been back yet.

I have known him 2 years. I'm told he had a really good doctor that bulk billed him (he is on disability for fibromyalgia) but she retired. The one he sees now isn't really supposed to counsel him, she is just there to administer an experimential drug he is taking (for SI) but she is a compassionate professional and the 10 minute allocated appointment tends to run for an hour.

I send her an email a day or two before each appointment so she knows where we're at but I think half the time he forgets what they've discussed. I'm going to ask him to make notes because he says she is varying his meds, but three days later he's forgotten what he should be taking and goes back to what he can remember. ECT has wrecked his short term memory, and didn't work.

The big problem with asking him to take responsibilty is that when confronted with what he has said and done in anger he becomes depressed and threatens self harm... he is consumed with guilt afterwards unless I "draw a line under it and move on" immediately. This isn't as easy for someone who doesn't suffer mood swings, like myself, it takes me half a day to get over the stress of a 2 hour tantrum while 15 minutes later he's normal again.

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@Former-Member

How to tell the difference...

This is what I always struggle with.

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thanks @Former-Member "tantrum" was a word I came up with to describe to others as best I could what he was like without knowing it was a proper, referenced term - but looking at the bubbles he is definitely in meltdown. One of his main triggers is not being able to find something but that often brings on an avalanch of past grievances that simmer away in the background all the time.

He particulary "will not bargain" - will not accept help, suggestions or compromise. His demands are completely irrational and most times unachievable. He often doesn't remember what he has said and done once it's over.

But time limited? He has a lot more stamina for this than I do.

I want my boundary to be permission to walk away or disengage from the conversation once we get stuck in the meltdown loop. At this stage that just makes him angrier. Something we both need to work on.

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@SJT63

When he has been calm, has your partner been able to articulate what he feels would help when he is in meltdown?

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Herimg you on the 'permission to walk away' @SJT63

This is actually one of our boundaries but doesn't always work out very well. (Walking away is perceived a s rejection / not caring and /or me being angry).

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