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Work and discrimination

Work and discrimination

I know this sounds controversial but I'm starting to wonder should workplaces be allowed to advertise positions whereby people with mental health issues are not allowed to apply. The reason been that you get through the interview process then you are given the health assessment form. If you answer yes there goes the job. If you lie you can be sacked for lying on the form. Don't get me wrong I believe people should be employed on their skills not their health status. I know I'm ranting but why can't workplaces be honest rather than backhand discrimination. At my workplace I feel so alone and isolated, I feel the only time I'm good enough is when I fix or write the reports for management. They then hand it in as there own work but I'm told not to apply for promotions.

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I am not a TV watcher in the mornings, no time! If you can post a link that would be awesome! And isn't it great our forum is making a difference!
Great speech also given at Lifting the Lid on mental health BT a guy from VMIAC last month, calling for 10% of the mental health workforce to be lived experience workforce..I think it's crucial we broaden the scope and keep pushing for positive discrimination with recruitment across all industries. Many many industries are employing people with mental health challenges but how and why would you disclose withe the amount of stigma and discrimination you may face..
Last October in 2013, Rex Airlines in-house magazine profiled the mental health crisis that is happening in fifo, fly in fly out workforce in mining..way too much alcohol abuse as form of coping..come on Australia, we can do more!

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The corporate world is awash with legal "advice" that advises on ways to minimise liability. My personal experience was humiliating & lead to mental collapse but i was never able to "sue" because the company played it "by the book". I'm 62 & on DSP & will probably never work again; on the bright side-- in 3yrs. i'll be able to receive the aged pension with a clear conscience.

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Yes, NikNik, I watched the ABC program, which is why I am here.

Regarding stigmatization and discrimination, in my opinion the perception of employers and the public is a combination of what they gather about mental illness from various sources (including movies, news reports, books and magazines and their personal experience) but it is based on stereotypes created by the medical profession itself. These stereotypes are found in psychiatric textbooks that describe the "typical' features of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, personality disorder etc. The personality disorders in particular are an exercise in stereotype creation.

The mental illness labels that were created by the medical profession have found their way into the common vernacular, where they are used as terms of abuse (like "schizo") but there is a far longer history, across cultures, of calling opponents mad when you strongly disagree with them. Every judgement of madness pits the belief system of the diagnoser/labeller against the belief system of the diagnosed/labelled.

When employers know that a person has been diagnosed by the experts with a mental illness, the actions of the employee are seen through this perspective henceforth. It is the same with family members and friends. It is common, though, for doctors to disagree with each other about what diagnosis a person has, or indeed whether the person is mentally ill at all, since the criteria for diagnosis are subjective. Different people think different things are "mad" or "crazy". Once you have raised the possibility that you might be mad in someones mind, confronting stigma is inevitable.

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I am not sue if many idustries are employing people with mental health challenges. Is there a list smewhere of those who do. At least that way people with an MI could know which employers to target.

I cant find anything within the Disability Discrimination Commission or the Mental health Commission websites that even discusses it.

Maybe positive discrimination is the only way people with MI will be employed. Perhaps the peak bodies for mental health should raise it at a Government level. There are other geoups that benefit from positive discrimination, why not mental health?

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You know, this is a good discussion. I work in a disability identified position, but as of tomorrow, become a part time consumer advocate also. So everyone is aware of my diagnosis, and i too am comfortable with it.
It's schizophrenia, by the way. I am also over fifty, and despair of ever finding mainstream work. Non disclosure is really not something I am comfortable with.

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Hi @kenny66, what I meant was, we are employed everywhere, the issue is no one wants to disclose their experience because as @Ma60 has pointed out, your workplace can then discriminate against you. The stigma and fear is such that many people believe if you have been unwell, you may become an organisational risk in the future..
We just need to keep agitating that many people with mental health challenges want to work, but employers are unsure how to do this..
There are some great organisations that are supporting people into work, I believe we can do more. In terms of mental health workforce and peer workforce, major study released this year..and national mental health workforce standards undertook consultations this year, and the forum I attended we strongly advocated for lived experience being recognised as essential in health workforce..

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It would be great if employers did recognise the expertise of their employees who have/had a mental health issue. I would loved to be involved as a mental health peer worker in the workplace. I have completed training but not sure where to find work. Would love to be able to make a contribution towards breaking the barriers further

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Hey ma60, make sure you search jobseeker.org.au, run by info exchange and lists heaps of community sector position s, also ethicaljobs and if you haven't already done so, subscribe to CEP's newsletter. Centre of Excellence in Peer Support. Often lists jobs as well, mostly Victorian though..good luck!

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Thanks Sandy.

I get that some employers would not be adverse to employing people but many will simply not do it. So no wonder people are reluctant to disclose a disorder.

Advocating the recognition of the value of lived experienced is a great aspiration.

It would be nice to see some positive movement in participation rates for MI people in the workforce. The participation rates for people with a disability is dismal, for those with MI probably even worse.

It is to be hoped that all of the advocacy going on and the resources putting our case forward bear fruit.

Having said all that, there are the large numbers of people already within the workforce with an MI, without their employers being aware of it.

They are making a valuable contribution on a day to day basis every bit as important and worthwhile as any other area of the workforce. Logically then, people who disclose their status should be able to make such a contribution as well.

However MI people are lucky in the breadth, energy and professionalism of the advocacy groups representing them seeking change. The trick in my view is to push the Government into adopting policies that make a meaningful difference separate to all of the work being done by Mental Health advocacy groups.

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Hey Kenny,
You raise excellent points as always!
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