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Eating disorder and more - need a shoulder ......

Eating disorder and more - need a shoulder ......

Hi everyone .... 👋💕

Time for a new thread.

I will tag a few people who have been wonderful in supporting me here on the Carer’s Forum, and I ask that you please help direct anyone to this thread who you find looking for me.

@Former-Member @Determined @Smc @Former-Member @Teej @outlander @Shaz51 @Adge @Corny @Former-Member @Maggie

I will add a silent @ Zoe7 here, mindful that my beautiful butterfly friend is in need of a time out, and has not at all been overlooked.

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I think Bipolar can sometimes show some of the same behaviours and characteristics as NPD @Faith-and-Hope . Is that what you are referring to when you say there is already a dianosis within the family?

Certainly someone with Bipolar can at times display some seemingly narcissistic behavior.

Really sorry you have to go through all the legal hoops involved. Must be so so hard, knowing what you do, but being unable to prove that to anyone making decisions. I guess without a formal diagnosis, there is little chance of convincing anyone. Is your therapist able to advise you? You had been seeing someone weekly in The East, but I suppose thats at least 2 months ago now, with you being away. And a lot has emerged since you would have last seen her. How long before you are Easterly again? And are you able to talk to your therapist via phone or email? Could be worth doing.

Sherry

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Hi @Former-Member ..... it’s not Bipolar that I am referring to. It’s a different personality disorder that I don’t want to name on this new thread T the moment, but thank you for letting me know. It really helps with empathy to recognise features of a condition, ordinarily ..... but I think NPD is a whole category of its own 😖🙁😔

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Re: Eating disorder and more - need a shoulder ......

@Faith-and-Hope, yep... and because it involves presenting a "wonderful" facade to the world in general, NPD is notoriously difficult to get a diagnosis for. Particularly in this era of psychological counselling being an individual exercise. An astute psychologist could more easily recognise NPD if they had the option of also counselling those close to the person in question, both with them and on their own. It's a disorder that seems to have a more visible affect on those around them than the person who has it... which can facilitate offloading the problem as "her problem, not mine".

One sad thing that I'm thinking... eventually the new object of "affection" will lose her shine, and quite probably come under attack. At which point Mr. may "forgive" you and decide to give you a second chance. On his terms.

Hope I'm not being too blunt here. We were pretty badly burnt in our NPD encounter, then had the hard thing of knowing someone else was caught up in the beginning of the same cycle, but likely to suffer even more harm than us. We had a front row seat for some of the aftermath part of the cycle. Not pleasant, and in some cases, never really "over".

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It has been a really horrible realisation @Smc, with relief in the mix, because the clarity that has come with it has relieved some of the confusion, and created almost instant emotional distance. I am aware that they can try to double back.

i am sorry you had to go through all of that, and sorry for myself for what is ahead of us yet ..... it there will be blessings tied up in it, as there have been even along the path to where we are now.

i am a joy-seeker, and that has a power of irs own too.

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@Faith-and-Hope

I once felt I needed to lodge a complaint. Prior to doing so I did research and watched some YouTube videos on conflict resolution which really helped me focus on keeping things factual.

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Thanks @Former-Member. I have techies and legal-eagles helping me work through it, but it’s good to know and I value your advice.

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👍 @Faith-and-Hope

Will say nothing further 🤐 about the matter.

On a lighter note I tend to use this term rather than the one you used:

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😏

Please do keep speaking up with your observations @Former-Member .... we all need co-drivers in life, and I value your advice.

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@Faith-and-Hope Having been a recipient of unhelpful "helpful" advice :face_with_rolling_eyes:, am trying to avoid handing it out myself.

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Re: Eating disorder and more - need a shoulder ......

Hey @Faith-and-Hope @Former-Member @Former-Member @outlander and everyone else I may have missed, I have read a few of your postings here and there @Faith-and-Hope , and am so happy that you had a long holiday away. I don’t have much energy at the moment and may not be able to visit regularly but wanted to give you my support.

You have so much constraint and self control, if I was in your position I would not be that calm & able to share a space with him, I would bolt for the door, change my number and never want to see him ever again. I know the cubs complicate it enormously, and the financial side of things does as well, but you are so dignified in the way you’re handling it. And you’re not burying your head in the sand either.

Engage as many people as you can that speak legalese, it will be drawn out and draining.

I hesitate to comment sometimes on the presenting symptoms of WH, because my life experiences placed me with people at the far end of abusive who happened to also have NPD, when really people can present with the same brain part missing that makes them incredibly self-absorbed, but also can be quite harmless.

You have people like that chick that lied she had cancer Belle someone, and then the Trumps and Harvey Weinstein’s of the world, and my sib has a work colleague that has told some lies that had her and I in stiches they were so ridiculous – but yeah it is a continuum and yes, people with PD’s still have a personality, temperament and character. I think that generalising about personality disorders is as dangerous as generalising about schizophrenia, it is the children and people without options that people will disregard and look straight through.

I read this article on BPD that said if you had to have any mental illness in the world, it is the best one to have. The recovery is slow and arduous, but the people that stick with DBT, in x years %85 were completely recovered. BPD still has flexibility, where as NPD is rigid and has very little flexibility or ability to change. I swear my father had something in his head that was missing entirely. He didn’t develop right. It was structural.

Over summer my friend asked me to read ‘Fake’ by Stephanie Wood which I did, I am reading ‘She Said’ at the moment, and I have ordered Ronan Farrow’s book form the library. There were some passages in Fake that were hard to read, you can tell she is inexperienced with mental illness even if she is highly educated, she makes a lot of generalisations and I found some of it offensive, when really what she was dealing with was a capital A, a-hole, any diagnosis was secondary if you ask me.

I think its hard to come to terms with when you were so sincere and authentic in your feelings from the beginning. But we tend to assume that what we feel inside is the same as what our beloved feels and we’re pretty giddy when we fall for someone which does jack for our judgment.

But you’re not silly at all or gullible, just trusting and because you would never do that to someone else, it never crossed your mind that he could inflict that on you. The lies that some people tell are just unreal. Stephanie Wood does ask if they are lies at all, or more like delusions. She talks about a women with drug addiction she’s been reporting on that it comes out her childhood abuse story was all fabricated and untrue. I guess she figured she’d get more sympathy if she said she had a dark history of abuse, instead of simply having an addiction that she can’t stop which people generally don’t have much time for.

But I did read you wrote somewhere about your WH smirking at you, that says so much about him, and how his head and sense of self is wired…..I can relate to that but in my experience I have seen that sort of behaviour more with women who are pathologically self-focused. Especially when it comes to smirking about other women’s physical appearance in an uber competitive way.

But what they all have in common is a sense of superiority.

When their ego takes a hit, the claws come out, because their superiority has been undermined or revealed to be all in their heads when it isn’t constantly mirrored back to them.

I tend to have a different perspective on the women he is seeing. There is absolutely no reason why she could not be wired very similarly to him. That could be part of the attraction. She may very well be under his spell and in for a rude shock, but that is not always the case. I saw my lovely psychologist recently, and we were talking about this dynamic. And has seen instances in the community where it is actually both partners that lack empathy, are superior, controlling, entitled, arrogant, abusive and aggressive, they may not appear to be in public, but it’s amazing how far ‘image management’ can take people. Not forever, but they get away with it for a while.

People like your husband are constantly engaging in image management, even if they are not aware of it. Hence the 2 faces. Just because it is a women it doesn’t mean she can’t be all of these, and it is not always as simple as a perpetrator/victim situation – they can both be as bad as each other, because they are so similar in very basic ways when it comes to the organising structure of their personality, and they way they see themselves, and what the world owes to them.

Anyways I hope that you can get some rest and do some art here and there in-between disentangling yourself and creating your independent life. You’re too young to give up on life. Stay young at heart, and you can definitely be happy again. Like me, you will need counselling to ensure you don’t keep attracting the same type of self centred people to your life, but you can meet really lovely people that actually respect you, and don't want to hurt you, but just get to know you, and hang out. I hope your kin are on your side and supporting you as much as they can

Corny

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