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A long rave

A long rave

Edit Feb 2018: This thread has evolved into a chat thread, which is fine by me. In addition, I encourage other members to feel free to post their own 'long raves' in here too if wished. I will continue to post my own longer raves from time to time, as well as chat with friends along the way.

Original post from May 2016:

First of all, a (very) long post alert. Please don't feel obliged to read or respond. Mainly I am writing today to clear my own head of some things. So, here goes...

Last week, I managed to get to all planned appointments and activities every day of the week except Sunday. That only amounts to one, maximum two, per day, but was an improvement on previous weeks and months. I've made all planned appointments in a week before, but there have not been so many appointments in so many days consecutively. Many of you will know that, prior to about mid last year, I spent years very rarely leaving the flat. This was since the last of my breakdowns from paid employment in 2008 (one of so many similar breakdowns from paid working, though none as devastating in consequence as this last one). With each of these breakdowns, the recovery time got longer and longer. It's taken eight years to recover much at all this time around.

This week, so far, I've made none of my appointments or activities. In fact, I've not showered for days. Embarrassing to admit but maybe helpful to own up to it. As I write I'm still in what I wore to bed, as I was all day yesterday and the day before. The weird thing is that I don't feel that bad in my emotions, just crashed out physically and lacking almost all motivation except to use the computer. In other words, my mind and fingertips are alert and active, in fact nervy and overactive as usual, but the rest of me is crashed out. Perhaps I have entered what some people call a bipolar 'mixed state'. Whatever the terminology, this is where I am and I've been here so many times before.

The way I see it, there are a number of possible reasons for the way I am after last week:

  • inner conflict about how helpful my psychologist treatment is for me (saw her on Friday);
  • trying to further reduce my tobacco intake (the struggle seems disproportionately huge and exhausting);
  • needing recovery time from a big week (by my standards);
  • simply another manifestation of bipolar disorder in me.

Regarding the psychologist. She is young compared to me and I have the feeling that she may not grasp the full extent of my situation, partly through lack of life experience. Perhaps she may particularly lack an understanding of the various physical ailments that complicate things with me, some age-related (menopause, musculo-skeletal problems), one of them a chronic illness (crohns disease). She is treating me with some techniques from Dialectical Behavioural Therapy, something I honestly have never liked the sound of when I've read about it. The main 'homework' I have for this four week period is a sheet I am meant to fill out every night covering various things including tobacco use, coffee intake, isolating, unbalance eating, sleep patterns, lack of exercise. The sheet also includes sections monitoring mood every day. The problem I find is that monitoring and (by implication) tackling all these things at once is just overwhelming. I am significantly depressed after filling out the form because it seems to highlight all the ways I am failing rather than the ways I am succeeding. The psychologist has given me this sheet as homework once before and it had the same effect on me then. A full month long slump into depression is what followed. This sheet makes me feel very pressured to recover quickly from all of these things at once, a message that contradicts the advice of my psychiatrist (who I trust much more). His advice is to take it slowly and steadily and not feel rushed. As of yesterday, I stopped using the DBT form altogether. I am even considering giving up on the therapy with this psychologist after my next (sixth) session instead of seeing it through to the ten sessions my GP is willing to refer me for.

With the difficulty of further tobacco reduction, I am succeeding in reducing this a little more but the effort is gargantuan and seems to be sapping all the strength I have for making it out the door to my activities and appointments (or even to get dressed and showered). Writing here is just about the only thing that is distracting me from smoking again or thinking about it obsessively.

I've run out of steam on writing about it all now (a huge sigh of relief from any readers at this point).

I wonder if anyone else can make any sense of this.

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@Mazarita I will just keep the meds going as she suggested. She said that if I dropped even a few she would put me on the public list where I would have a pdoc once a week (I couldn't stand that). I just have to ramp up my exercise and look after my diet better I suppose and get over myself lol . I have been using your hand over your heart as you suggested and it really help Mazzy thank you.

Perfection is a deadly trait .... I know exactly what you mean ... it comes out in my body weight issues etc. Anway enough about the peas woes 🙂 have a lovely day Mazzy I hope something can be done about your dress. I am going for a lay down for a bit. Talk later. Love greenpea xxxx

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Rest well @Bunniekins xx

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@eth So true eth but I am sure she is doing this with my best interests in mind. She is a good pdoc I trust her I just have to try and exercise a bit more and eat better and try, try to be more positive. Maybe if I had you to do my cooking for me my weight wouldnt be such an issue. More healthy eth food and less chockies

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Great with the support worker you most relate to, @eth. I hope that relationship continues to grow in trust and personal interest between you both. I hear you loud and clear on the other peer support workers perhaps sharing too much of their own struggles, and not focussing on supporting you, as seems more appropriate. I was under the impression that peer workers in actual paid employment needed to have some qualifications, a Cert III or IV in peer work or some other mental health or disability area. From my understanding, those kinds of study do include learning about the primary responsibility of supporting clients rather than sharing too much about their own struggles. Hope you are able to come to a better understanding with them about that over time.

My Phams support worker was not a peer worker, and rarely talked about her own life. I had to actively ask her about it, as I was interested in her life, especially since we saw each other over a two year period. She did open up when I asked her, and I discovered there were mental health issues with her partner (depression), and anxiety issues with one of her children. She was supporting people with mental health struggles all round.

Thanks for your supportive words about my overall progress with my mental health over time. The developments have been slow but fairly steady, I think.

@Bunniekins, I'm glad you've decided to follow the straight an narrow with the meds. Wishing you all good things with your exercise and diet efforts. Enjoy your lie down. Great chatting this morning.

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Yes she sounds like a good one, and there's a lot to be said for a stable 'therapeutic relationship' with your therapist.

Not sure you could count on me to help you lose weight @Bunniekins - I'm also struggling to lose even a little bit, well over my ideal weight, and guilty of snacking including chockies between meals and through the night when I'm awake so often.

More salad and more exercise for me too I hope.

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@Mazarita listening to a guy called David (Avocado) Wolfe live on fb talking about 'stress hacks' - really good.

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Is 'avacado' really part of his name, @eth? Never heard that one before.

Seriously, though, glad you are finding it helpful.

I could certainly use some stress hacks, as I respond to external stressors in a pretty exaggerated way, as evidenced by my high anxiety spinout over the commissioned video I tried to do in October, and pulled out of due to too feeling way too much stress from it.

Nonetheless I am planning to go the event itself on Sunday. Want to supporter the curator (who is also a friend), and to chat if there's a chance. Should be a very interesting event too. It is about how plants communicate with each other, and about humans 'listening' to plants. The book I read in preparation for the video might have been interesting to you too. It was part scientific research into plant behaviours, and partly a shamanistic journey. Kind of like a Carlos Castenada book, but with women and plants.

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@Mazarita I don't know, it's probably a nick name but the guy he's interviewing is calling him "Avo". He posts as David Wolfe and is a bit of a health guru on-line.

Nice to hear you will be going to the event on the weekend. The subject matter sounds fascinating and I read a bit about it when I was studying herbal and botanical medicine. Wondering if the book you mentioned has a central character called Ayla. Clan of the Cave Bear I think was the first book in a series I read years ago. If it's not that I'd love to know what it's called. But it really is a science these days with so much more known about metaphysics. I have a close friend who has been hearing plants for many years. Hadn't realised your work includes that sort of stuff. Must be intriquing delving into such topics for video making, even chosing the sound effects.

PS I was turned onto Carlos Castaneda at a young age - late teens - and love his stuff.

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@eth, yet another thing we have in common: I too read Carlos Castenada when I was in my late teens. My oldest friend, who I visit in the country whenever I am down south, introduced that into my life. She also introduced me to all sorts of cutting edge music at the time, such as Talking Heads. Very well known know, but not so much then, especially by me. I was pretty out of touch with things in those days, significantly because I found it so hard to make friends at school, hung out on my own most of the time (sometimes hiding behind bushes so I wouldn't be seen!), so lacked the peer culture. My friend, who I've know since I was 13, went to another school but we hung out a lot at that time as our fathers were friends. She was always so kind to me, gentle with my social anxieties, and inclusive of me in socialising with her other friends. She's been such a blessing in my life.

There were aspects of the Carlos Castenada books that I found very offputting. Especially an instance of animal cruelty in the pursuit of mystical visions. But I always remember the wonderful way he described seeing a man's death while in an altered state. He described seeing his spirit leave his body and disperse and become part of the universal spirit.

I don't often work with subjects such as the one I was commissioned for. It was part of my disappointment that I couldn't complete that project. The book is called 'Thus Spoke the Plant'. I have a preview copy from the publisher as it hasn't become publicly available just yet. It will be probably released before the end of the year.

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She sounds like a truly special person in your life @Mazarita. I agree about some of the shamanic practices in Castaneda's tales being quite horrendous ways of gaining knowledge.

The friend I mentioned is someone I first met in grade 2 (edited). 'N'. A year older and also introduced me to many things in my teens when we both lived in (edited due to moderation) (including sexual stuff - not between us, but 'how to' stuff!). We had several years of no contact until about 2 years ago after I thought she was the one put in a missing person's report with the police while I was off on one of my adventures which culminated in me being picked up and scheduled. It turned out it was my mother. But it took me years to accept contact from N again - we now have a special friendship again, she's the only friend I have from childhood. And Mum still doesn't admit to her part in it all, typically of her. It has helped me a lot to find out the truth of what went down in that episode - I was manic but the stay in hospital did not help at all and after 5 days I was released with absolutely no follow-up treatment. That's when I took off for the NT. So much I could tell with 20:20 hindsight and now knowing the truth. My brother was also involved so it's amazing we have the trusting, respectful relationship we have now.

I'll keep a look out for that book when it gets released.

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