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Anger turned inward or outward?

Anger turned inward or outward?

I am really distressed to hear about We Li 's court case and the death of his mother Emma Mae Tan.

It is such a horrifying situation. As a daughter who is now disabled because of a similar approach from my mother ... though my mother was never as controlling as this latest generation of tiger mums are.

I have heard about and seen these situations a few times.

It is important that we dont sweep everything into the cultural relativism basket. Sometimes it works out ... he was thinking about suicide and then committed murder. A tragedy for the family and for musical excellence.

Please, music is supposed to be a heart felt expression of the soul.

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Hi @Terry 🙂 I'm not that easily offended but very scared of confrontation lol - a bit wimpy lol! I respect everyone's rights to believe different things/have different values etc ( I think that's so important as a teacher).
I'm just having a rough week and so busy I've not been online much.
Hope you're ok @Appleblossom
Sorry to interrupt your thread
Lj

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@Appleblossom Hi Apple, it seems that pianos are indeed a scourge and perhaps Asian-Australians should be banned from owning them! lol! 🙂

re We Li. I have read no suggestion of any kind of mental illness associated with the We Li case and I'm tired of people associating mental illness with bad behaviour and/or bad character. However, it seems that you have been through some similar parenting issue to We Li and as you have a mental illness you are making that 'connection' - I hope you don't mind me hypothesising here. x 🙂

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I am sick of people using MI as excuse for bad behaviour too .. and have said as much here on forums.

I dont really see myself as having a mental illness as such ... cant get doctor people to label me properly or lock me up ... though I am not proud about it one way or the other .. just trying to survive ... I do go on about being batty Betty and nutty Nancy.

I deliberately chose thread topic as a relatively denotative approach to a difficult and controversial problem.

I explained my professional and family experience and find it presumptuous that you collapse it into me have a mental illness in order for you not to re-examine your casual judgement of the matter .. but that is your perogative and your limitation. @Terry

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When I was still at uni one of my fellow students did her final prac at a private school and she was bailed up by several parents on the second night demanding more than reading for homework. They wanted homework for each subject area each night - it was a reception (5 year olds) class. I remember being shocked but have come across similar situation across the year myself. You see children at age 8 and 9 with so much anxiety about getting everything right because their parents are going to want to see their books each night. I can empathise with how you feel watching those students succeed but with mixed emotions, I always wonder what the cost will be to the students.
Lj

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@Terry,

I think we need to deal with things as they are.

The reality is,sometimes mental illness issues(or Dementia etc) are involved in "bad behaviour"(crime).

In other cases though,people use mental illness to excuse their actions to get lesser court sentences when they do have the capacity for self control and personal responsibility(eg:footballers or other people in the public eye).

I think the focus should not be trying to state to the "public" that there is no connection/involvement ever between mental illnesses and any crimes,but instead should be how to remove the stigma that people have towards people when this happens.

I think that's the real issue.The way that the media often reports these crimes is using words that cause fear,disdain,judgement & stigma.

Changing media reporting styles alone won't solve the problem with stigma though as it doesn't change it at the "rooot cause"-ie peoples internal feelings.

There needs to be much greater awareness made that the brain is an organ just like any other and if soemthing happens to the behavioural parts of the brain,then that persons actions can change drastically,but they are a victim to this process and it should be treated much more compassionately and sensitively.

Regarding pressure on kids from families-sometimes its cultural because foreign-born parents are wanting to push to acheive the opportunities they didnt have themselves growing up,but in the cases of non foreign born i believe it goes higher up then the parent/s and is an Australian cultural problem we have which the Government strongly contributes to.

Kids and parents are being taught what matters most and makes you more valued is how competitive and high achieving you are.Often people in positions such as doctors and so on are given more value,priviledges and prestige than blue collar workers (labourers,cleaners etc)in society and treated as smarter,higher and more valueable etc.

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@Appleblossom ok, and i only read one article on the we li case but it nowhere mentioned mental illness - why do you think the we li case has anything to do with mental illness?

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@ivana people with lupus, broken arms etc sometimes commit crimes too. what's the difference? i don't believe that mental illness causes anyone to commit a crime. how people with mental illnesses are treated encourages bad behaviour in the sufferer 'tho, and bad or criminal behaviour can concur or 'collude' with a mental health episode for this reason.

i read about a guy who got terminal cancer who went on a gun rampage because he knew he was going to die and was angry at the world or something - therefore does cancer turn people bad? etc etc

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@Terry What about people in a state of psychosis who are in the belief that everyone around them is evil or bad or believe that everyone is trying to harm them and they assault or threaten or (worst case) murder somebody....? They are genuinely ill without the capacity to reason or believe anything else...

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@Former-Member when i have been psychotic i have never received anything but insults, abuse and assaults. i am old and have come out the other side of mental illness (and i'm the less-aggressive sex) but i can see how some people with mental illnesses would develop persecution complexes which would express themselves as you describe when they are in psychosis.

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I usually try to look for a reason, even in "psychotic" behaviour. What is the behaviour symbolising or trying to achieve for the person.

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