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Dog nuisance and the elderly

Dog nuisance and the elderly

When I studied psychology back in the Stone Age of the 1980s we were taught that, in many cases, suicide is the option that is taken when there are no other options; we were taught to try to identify the options in counselling.

On the 14th of January 2013 I made a formal complaint to the local council about barking dogs at my neighbour's property, which operates as an occasional boarding kennel. Her own dog yaps consistently and the boarding dogs which are not cared for, whine, howl, and bark for long periods. I have spent the past three years contacting anyone who may be able to help push the council into acting on my complaint. I have written emails and surface letters to any member of local or state government, including the police, who may have some power to act. After three years nothing has been achieved and the situation is probably worse now.

This morning I was woken just after 4.30am by howling from one of the Australia Day boarders. This howling and whining went on for about 40 minutes and was followed by random barking and whining for a number of hours. I have spent the past nine hours making telephone calls and writing emails without any sign of acceptance of my complaint; I have worked intensely without identifying any options.

I don't find forums very productive because they seem to only apply to younger people but I desperately need to talk.

During the past two years or so I have seen a variety of social workers, psychologists, and psychiatrists. The common factor is that nothing can be done while the nuisance continues. In August 2014 a psychologist told me that I was “burned out,” this seemed a reasonable description of Complex Stress Disorder. Late last year I saw two psychiatrists a few weeks apart. The first one talked with me for the fifty minute hour and concluded that I am not depressed but need help to cope with the situation. A week or so later I was given an appointment with a different psychiatrist at the same centre. This one concluded after a few minutes that all my problems could be solved with anti depressants; she then got up and walked out of the room. I avoid anti depressants because of the usual weight gain which would be a major problem with diabetes. I currently control diabetes with careful diet. I also find mindfulness techniques to be very effective in helping mood and sleep.

The main thing that troubles me about all this is that some 2500 Australians die each year from suicide. The Victorian state government has a minister for family violence, but seems to have no interest in suicide at all. My experiences tend to suggest that “The System” encourages suicide by systematic isolation of those with mental difficulties. I use the word “difficulties” rather than “illness” because there was once a suggestion that mental problems can be a normal response to abnormal circumstances. I believe strongly that my mental difficulties are simply a response to circumstances; I function quite well in many other environments. In my own home I spend the days in my quiet room, away from the dogs. I can't work in my yard and pay to have the lawns mowed; this is a job that I could do myself if my yard was not a toxic environment because of th nuisance. I try to get away every second day. This is how I've lived for more than two years.

I often feel that I am living in a story by Franz Kafka.

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I’m sorry to hear what a difficult time you’re having @Louis-Rigolly. It must be frustrating to feel like the numerous professionals you’ve visited haven’t been helpful.

I agree that the statistics around suicide are upsetting. It seems to me that there is a lot more focus on early intervention and providing treatment and support in the community nowadays, which I hope is reducing the isolation which you mention.

We can certainly find ourselves in abnormal or challenging circumstances from time to time and it sounds like you have some great strategies in place for managing under pretty difficult circumstances. Did you manage to find any ongoing support from any of the social workers, psychologists or psychiatrists you visited?

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@Louis-Rigolly, What a stressful sitution you are living under with your neighbour's dogs making constant noise. I am so sorry to hear no matter what you have done no one in authority has taken steps to remedy the situation. I am guessing the relationship with this neighbour has broken down so you can't work things out with them. Have you tried contacting a free community law legal advice centre? There are by-laws about noise and by-laws about dogs - perhaps someone with some legal knowledge in your state may be able to come up with a sure fire solution to the problem?

I hear you re the suicide prevention - i have attempted a number of times in my younger days, back in the day when being ill was overlooked, you were just 'difficult' or 'attention seeking" according to the prevailing view (which of course still happens in the community.)


I am a bit concerned that the way you have linked these issues, (i might be misreading it though), your constant stress from the dogs, lack of any real solution from council or other authorities and lack of effective treatment support from professionals - and your discussion about suicide may mean you are perhaps thinking about that as an option. Maybe not but I am erring on the side of caution in case you are...

I know these services are not the be all and end all... but just in case you need them.

Lifeline on 13 11 14

Beyond Blue 1300 22 4636


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Hi Acacia

Thank you for your response. The police called on me early this morning and the contact helped to lift my spirits. I sometimes wonder whether the lack of understanding by those who should help is worse than the original problem. I'm probably being paranoid, but it sometimes feels as though it is all a personal battle between the man in local government who has the responsibility to bring about change and myself. It is a tug-of-war and he has more weight than I do. The sad part is that he has more weight than the police or the Ombudsman. There has been no ongoing support because all the problems hinge around the dog nuisance.

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Hi MoonGal

Thanks for your response to the post. Over the past few years I have contacted anyone who appeared to be able to help. A few have made a lot of effort but local government seems to have enormous power. Yesterday, I sent an email to various State Government ministers and was lucky enough to find someone who responded. It seems to be about finding the right person and that is just a matter of luck in a large office. This person is doing what she can and has the support of a senior minister in the State Government, so we must hope. This coupled with a supportive visit from the police in the early hours of this morning helps somewhat.

Under extreme stress, the mind does examine all options and some of them can be frightfull. Thanks for the contact numbers but I have found them somewhat frustrating in that all help is short term. I admire the people on the help lines because they try so hard in impossible situations.

I wonder whether it was easier 20 or 30 years ago when Carl Rogers, Ronny Laing and Rollo May were the gurus and there was no "mental illness."

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Hello @Louis-Rigolly

Disturbances to your peaceful enjoyment of your own home is serious. Not all of us are that young on the forum and it is good to share about interests and general experiences as well as mental "difficulties". I am almost finishing the book about RD Laing, Kingsley Hall and Mary Hunt.

I hope something comes out of the police visit ... is there any community mediation service in your area?

I am currently losing a good neighbour 2 doors up due to a conflict with the neighbour between. The lady next to me is quite violent and intimidated me when I saw were smashing up her own friend's car windscreen ... it made me want to leave my home too .. mostly I have been avoiding her for years but it is not as easy for the lady on the other side of her because of the way our court is laid out. We should not have to move home .. and as we age it becomes less of a possibility.

Take care

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Hi Appleblossom

Thanks for your response. One of the basic human property rights is the right to "quiet enjoyment" of our property. If in our latter years if we cannot find peace then life tends to lose any sort of meaning.

It's a long time since I studied RD Laing but he had some interesting ideas. If I remember correctly, a lot of his radical ideas came from working with soldiers following WW2. I seem to remember him being a crazy man with some very practical solutions for what we now call PTSD.

Neighbours are important. The place where I live is sometimes called "Boganville" which will give you some idea of the environment. It is a very beautiful part of the Upper Yarra Valley in Victoria but the people can be difficult. I understand your experience with the windscreen smasher. A lady down the street from me is terrified of the dog lady.

I feel that my life where I live is empty. I drive some 45 minutes to get away from the dogs and for social interaction every second day or so. Fantasy about spending the rest of my life in prison and working on a research masters in gerontology comes up from time to time. If you get to read the work of Lars Tornstam, he has done some interesting research into ageing. Tornstam describes a development of what he calls spirituality which interests me. If I did get to do the masters,that would be my area of interest. Joan Erikson thought Tornstam was good. She and her husband were the gurus on development, you probably know about Joan and Erik.

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Yes I was thinking of "quiet enjoyment of property" when I posted.

I live in a "Boganville" too ... I usually do in Rome as the Romans do .. but I do have a few natural limits, her violence and manipulation is troubling and when people say she might be psychotic ... i distinguish that too many MI people are genuine sufferers and we must not confuse violent tendencies with mental illness ...

I have joked about being a bogan piano teacher who loves Bach .. when "nice" people look in askance at me about my suburb name. My area is nowhere as a beautiful as yours so I have taken initative and done a lot of planting over the years. I have been ridiculed, admired, and been envious of for doing it. It started out as a practical response to civic duties .. Ie keeping weeds down on my nature strip ...

I am glad you post a little. @Louis-Rigolly it is better for the forum to have a range of viewpoints from people af all ages.

I will look at the writers you mention. Good luck if you enrol in masters ... formal study has advantages like access to good libraries and databases like jstor etc.

I agree with you about suicide ... being a response to percieved lack of options ...

Help working out options is much better than the quick pill which just allows new problems to emerge for patient.

There are lots of crazies working in the MH field ... it helps if they are honest about it.

cheers

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Hi @Louis-Rigolly

I just wanted to re-iterate @MoonGal's advice about contacting a community legal centre or Citizens Advice Bureau. They deal with noise problems and other neighbourhood disputes all the time and if they can't help you, they should definitely be able to point you to someone who can.

It's ridiculous but over and over I've seen that a letter on a lawyer's letterhead gets instant results from government bodies even when the client has been sending essentially identical letters over and over with no response.

Good luck.

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Thanks for your response Briar.

I've made an appointment with the local community legal service for the middle of this month, the earliest the could fit me in. Now to wait and see what they suggest. The lady that I spoke to said they would refer me on if they can't help.

I've reached a stage of desperation where I don't try some things because something similar has failed in the past. I know that this is not wise because everything has failed at some level, it"s that some things have failed more dramatically than others. Does this make sense?

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Thanks again Appleblossom. Fitting in to some communities can be very difficult. The community in which I live has a resident's action group. When I moved here I went along to a few of their meetings. I would have been the oldest person by 15 or 20 years. I volunteered for anything which came up but heard nothing about it later. I wrote them a letter about social isolation of the elderly to see what would happen. Received a phone call from the secretary to meet him at the local coffee shop. My though was that we would form some sort of an oldies group. What actually happened was that I was given an extended lecture about not doing anything to fit in. When he ran out of steam he mentioned that he was going to a U3A course. I thought he wanted to talk so I mentioned that I had taught with U3A and that I had thought of a course on the Kelly affair which ended in 1880. From then on everything I said was challenged. I then mentioned the paper written by the barrister Julian Burnside which supported my argument. We sat in silence for a while and then he left. Doing as the Romans do did not work for me.

The problem that I experience and you seem to have the same experience, is that the one thing worse than being alone is to be with people who make you feel alone. I proudly admit to having only attended one Australian Rules football game. That was in 1959 and I went along on a "works outing." Shows what kind of an Australian I am.

I agree that it is better to try to use rational techniques rather than drugs for mental problems. I've seen some negative outcomes from drugs. Techniques such as mindfulness can only have positive side effects; it just needs some dedication.

It sounds as though we share similar social problems where we live. Talking to other older people gives me the feeling that our experiences are relatively common. Perhaps it is a feature of modern society.

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