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What's a healthier way to talk about self-destructive impulses?

What's a healthier way to talk about self-destructive impulses?

When I have been in the grip of self-destructive urges to injure myself, I have talked myself out of it by speaking very harshly to myself - calling myself a baby, a coward, over-dramatic, etc. etc. etc. It's my understanding that saying that kind of thing to someone else (also the classic, 'snap out of it') is completely inappropriate - but redirecting self-disgust at the self-destructive urges has historically been what helps me, when no amount of cute kitten photos has been able to.

I'm beginning to think that depression just means you've got to do everything 'normal' people do (sorry, @NikNik , I know you've just lead a discussion about 'normal'...) but with a millstone around your neck. Sometimes I'm able to tone it down to 'and what would self-harm accomplish?' or 'that won't actually help things'. I don't really know what else to say, to me or to someone else - and I feel woefully underprepared. Don't mind me, ruminating on something that is unlikely to happen. What's a healthier way to talk about self-destructive impulses?

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Thanks everyone for your thoughts - it's really interesting to hear what other people think about this. I've been thinking about it like this - what would you say if it was your friend who told you? We're often kinder to a friend than we are to ourselves. My experience with it was that I was aware that I was doing it, but I couldn't stop until I'd reached a certain level of pain. That kind of 'reset' me. I've also made a point of asking someone else to cut my nails for me when I've been grappling with it - working on the declawing principle. @Appleblossom , I've also done 'whoops, I'm so clumsy' a few times. @Former-Member - maybe they're confused by you having no awareness of it or conscious desire to do it? Or hoping that if they are silent, you'll keep talking to fill in the gaps, and have a breakthrough? 🙂

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Altered at request of moderators. I understand concern re triggering others ... yet triggers can come in so many shapes and sizes. There is a problem with altering material as the WHOLE point of a few of these posts has been the context, but I understand compliance. Hope the following is acceptable. I am not going to stress about finding euphemisms , but deleting offending phrases. Those who needed to read them for the conversation to flow organically, have done so by now. I am becoming opposed to excessive use of euphemisms. Apologies to later readers if things dont quite make sense.

My brother SH a lot ... I witnessed it helplessly ... and once after a horrific experience spent an hour with doctor fixing him up.

That is not what happened to me .. my experience was more just trying to contain explosive feelings.

I was upset by gratuitous self harming .. as was my brother. i did not get to talk about it much with my sister as she died so early. Then it was 10 years of trying to calm down little brother.

The only time I did it was an accident. ... and like a big sook I ran to doctor saying "I am a pianist" please help me. No it was not really intentional self harm .. I was ideologically aainst it ... for me .. it was more a by product of inadequate intense emotion regulation behaviours.

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Oh, that kind of pattern is what happens 'when my feelings are too big'.

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Yep that describes it.

So you are aware of different aspects to it.

I have managed to stop direct SH since that pruning accident.

Some big feelings are BIG.

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Edited by request of the Moderators. 5/2/16

Very interesting and helpful discussion @CannonSalt, thank you for starting it. It has been a long time since i SH'ed, last time was in year 2000. (unless you count smoking tabaccoo daily repeated SH - which in a way it is).

My thought process (or emotional state) prior to self-harming was always one of extreme self-loathing.

A bit of a life's moment as background. I am an adoptee, my adoptive Mum's sister was a very judgemental woman. One day when I was 15 I heard her having a conversation with her husband about me (I was staying with them while Mum and Dad were interstate). I had a boyfriend from a different nationality to us at the time and she and her husband were racist and outraged at my "waywardness" (My Muma nd Dad were bemused but not racist). My Aunt was running me down for ages and then said "Bad Blood Will Out". That used to run through my mind when i self-harmed. I have lived with this false view that, as I was adopted, and then abused in my adoptive family that I was "dangerously different", and of course the trauma and genetic predisposition to MI (from my birth mother) all came to the pointy end of self-harm for many years.

For me it was about letting out the "bad blood" and once I had done that I was calm and relaxed and felt okay. My scars are reminders of how hard I used to be on myself. I know now that I was mistaken about myself. I have a very gnarly and negative self critic. I went to see a meditation-counsellor (buddhist type practices) who did heart practice. On the day i saw her I was very nervous about disclosing much about myself - but we did this meditation exercise that had me 'talking' to my own inner-critic. First I had to imagine what she looked like, then hear her voice clearly, what did it sound like, then have a "conversation" (in my own head) with her. It was very helpful - having a conversation with that harsh, judegmental hardline person in me, arrogant, ego, harsh self. I asked her a question "What have I ever done to make you so hard on me?" and the silence was defeaning - she eventually said in a very little voice 'Nothing". I could see she had shrunk to about 8 years old and was terrified of having been found out to be little, not big and gnarly and mean at all. I gave her (myself) a mental hug and everyime she raised her ugly voice at me about how useless, stupid, ugly, hopeless, harmful and toxic I am - I used to give her a bunch of heart shaped balloons in my minds eye and tell her I loved her. That broke the nexus on bad blood & contemplating SH for me. I lived with it for 40 years. The compulsion to SH broke when I just loved that damaged part of me, despite herself.

I still have the gnarly voice, but nothing she can say (or nothing she runs silently in my subconcious) can now make me hurt myself - she was hurt, deeply and we (she and I) just needed to see one another and embrace.

In an episode of Xena Princes Warrior , Xena met her shadow (her terrible violent past self) and they struggled and in the end she embraced her shadow and they became one. I cried for days when I saw that.

In Ursula Le Guin's The Wizard of Earthsea, Ged struggled ont he ice with a shadow beaast and realised the beast was aspects of himself,a nd embraced it, and it dissapeared. I "saw" how my past was that shadow-being out on the ice - the broken, drug addicted alchol, fighting, swearing hard gal I had been. I forgave her and embraced her then. (that was in my early 40's I am now in my mid 50's)

I meet my hated-self with love and understanding now and while she might still want to harm me - i hold her closer. Love is the antidote to fear and hate. I still struggle with her but she knows she has me on her side now.

This leunig cartoon is the 'place" i go when the knives are knocking... I hide in my Heart's Bunker with a flower (balloon) to give to my harsh-critic/harmer self.


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Hi @CannonSalt @Former-Member @Former-Member @Anna16 @Appleblossom @BamBam @MoonGal,

Just wanted to jump in and say that this is a really good discussion and there have been a lot of interesting contributions from everyone. We have noticed however that there are quite a few posts that mention specific methods of self-harm that appear to have gone under our radar. As you know, it’s against the Guidelines to mention graphic and specific details about self-harm as this content may be triggering to other users. In the interests of keeping the discussion live, we’ll keep these posts in the thread, however we will be emailing you all individually to make the relevant edits. Thanks for understanding.

All the best,
supernova.

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Yet this is one of the best discussions of the subject I have ever seen. It has not been gratuitous.

Some of it has been about people expressing different levels of awareness of the triggers and levels of engagement in the behaviour. Also in becoming aware of child trauma and personality issues that eventually enabled person to CEASE SH.

I doubt there is a better discussion in the academic literature ... tho I may be wrong ...

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@Former-Member - while i acknowledge the moderation I would urge perhaps caution - in asking for details to be changed. Perhaps a ***trigger warning*** to the title might suffice. Where can we as survivors and living out these experiences otherwise discuss it? I have never sought treatment for SH, I have never told any of my counsellors about it - it was my (shameful*) secret at the time. I changed a word that was blocked as I went to publish. You know you can't make omlettes if you don't break a few eggs (sorry for the non-vegan metaphor). If a discussion has happened organically that is helpful, well, isn't that good?
*I am no longer ashamed of this, in fact I am trying hard to bring anything I am ashamed about into the open, to see it for what it was/is - a result of mental ill health and gone, done and dusted. i cannot change any of my story, it happened, but I can change how I look at my lived experience and that is the crux of recovery for me and moving on from old behaviours that have caused me and others harm.
Anyways, The Moderators will do as they will do to keep the whole community safe, it is though also important to recognise that if one sanitises discussions to the point where people cannot tell it like it is - for them, then perhaps the community itself is not served best. With all respect.

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Aye Aye @MoonGal

I will attend to the mods' request and see what they want me to change.

cheers Mods and all

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I understand the need to avoid triggering people unnecessarily but I'm not sure that you can just erase methods from the conversation without losing meaning. Methods are integral to the point of it.

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