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Hey @ENKELI ,

If it helps, always remember, "Man looketh on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart". It's the heart that matters to God. (1 Sam 16:7).

I hear people will comment and say things, but in the end, we answer to God, right?

I'm also just going to send you a little email 🙂

@heartathome it definitely wasn't against Sane. Without getting myself into a spot of bother (already had to deal with that today after making a comment about politics - never discuss politics on this forum if you have a conservative viewpoint) I am afraid to say what happened lest I am banned as was threatened. I think it was a personality clash more than anything but since I am just a member and not in a position of power I was in the wrong and they were of course supported by the organisation. I have no doubt they would tell you different and that's fine. There are always 3 sides to a story - my side, their side and the truth.

I am dealing with a very toxic sibling, grieving my father and the way I was treated just added to the huge weight on my shoulders. I feel like I have been gagged and I am not allowed to speak anything but how amazing my sibling is because I am the problem not them (as I have been told) and then when I dare to have an opinion online I am muzzled because 1 person doesn't like me.

So what I have taken from this is that you can lie, you can tell outrageous tales about how you've been treated so long as you do it with a dose of inclusive language.

I pray that this post doesn't get deleted, I am no longer angry or hurt, I have lost the desire and energy to feel anymore.

I absolutely love that you see both sides. I know I often have blinders on, part of that is my upbringing and what my mum believes. I love her but she can be intolerant.

I hope you have a lovely Friday and a wonderful weekend 😍💐❤️

@ENKELI Hi dear how are you going up in hot Perth? We had 30s over here as well, and thunder and lighting and rain at the same time. i hate weather like that. We got fires burning all across the south west i've been told, and Albany High has been closed as well.

With regards to images of Jesus on the cross. i've been brought up Reformed, that's a bit like Presbyterian, and crosses with Jesus on it were taboo! A sin even!

Neither have i been taught to expect to meet Jesus in my heart, but i was told would go to Heaven when i died, or when Jesus would came back to to judge the world. For only those who believed The Truth, as Reformed dogma had it would be saved then and the rest would go of to hell.
Even other believers in 'false' Christian Churches would burn forever. For they did not serve God correctly as He had demanded and commanded our forefathers who's writings we had adhered to for near 400 years. We were also not allowed to go on our bikes on Sunday, go ice-skating, shops, cinema, or change out of our Sunday clothes. And twice to Church, four times during Easter and Christmas.

The worst part was that i been taught to understand Jesus to rule from Heaven, and was seated on the right hand of God, and that all death, sickness and destruction going on was also His will and from His 'Fatherly' hand.

@tyme @heartathome @Appleblossom @AuntGlow @Realness

Today The Cross stands central in my life. For i know that only through The Cross do we get to the resurrection, and that there is no other Way to The Father.

For when Jesus was revealed in my life, i did not meet Him in Heaven Above beside His Father, but in my hell, keeping my life safe in His life, suffering me in my lies far more than i did or had to. It has been Down in my pit that i met The Truth of my death in Him, as well as The Truth of His death in me.

For me meeting Jesus in my heart like that began my journey through the book of Revelation in real time the Living Word i now know Him to be. Even as Jesus raised me in my dead good life, His life, along the way.

When Jesus appeared in my life i was in my religious alter, and promptly was placed last in this self.While tenderly i met Him in my paranoid alter, and was invited to rule with Him over my life, instead of freak my life like i had for so long. And now finally, years after, in my raging/evil alter, i have also been found. And have received grace, forgiveness, love and peace, and have also been dded to the body of my believer within my inner being raised in Him and through Him the first resurrection.

i know He will collect me in my full 144,000 righteous selves in Christ. All the selves i have lived over my past life truthful, but died my lies. Yet now i know i have been saved by Him to have eternal rule over life, in and with, Him. God's salvation is totally out of this world that much i know to be true about all that.

Otherwise i had a full on day. i have been having some issues with flow reduction valves for some time. The three i bought all packed up, even the expensive one. Now last week i designed and made one myself. And the issues the other valve had this had had not near as much, but it could still happen. (If the valve does not reduce the water flow when the levels get too high then the pond runs over, and the water in my filter is lost.)

So today i redesigned the valve completely. Learning from the manufacturing mistakes as well as my own. Spending a lot of time soldering, adjusting and re-designing. A valve that cannot get the issues the others did but will do the job without me having to worry about my water levels.

Furthermore my wife kept on losing chicken to the foxes that have been around the last week or so. Today there were tow foxes so we took Shadow out, for she is a very good hunter and completely obedient when it comes to catch, bring, stop, or the forbidden word to 'finish it'.

Luckily she caught it and i could dispose of it. My wife lost 7 or 8 chicken and a fowl, just over the last three days. My wife has been devastated. So i was very glad we got at least one of the culprits and hopefully, its remains will shy the other one away from coming back and taken more. It has been years since we have issues with foxes but they can become a real issue when they successfully take one or two.

So all in all i have had a really full on but satisfying day.

The Cross ought to be central in our lives when we still hurting sinful life. (Isaiah 53 tells me!)

If we die to our lies for Him shall certainly live His loving truth with Him.To die our carnal life is living to The Truth of our Creator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmrbS8pI6HU

Hey @DownMoreThanUp

Thank you for sharing your experiences around your faith. It really brings back a lot of memories.

Just a quick note that some of the pictures above were a little too graphic for the forums so they could not be published. Hope you understand. Please let me know if you have any questions about this as I'm always open to working with members to build clarity if needed.

Thanks for the reply and well wishes @ENKELI

There are always 3 sides to a story - my side, their side and the truth. I've heard this saying before and find it true! I find it interesting that a situation that happened when we were kids (6 kids) have produced some different perspectives and opinions. Yes, we all see through our own lenses.

I don't get into politics, so I guess that means that I'm pretty safe from SANE...for now. An organisation will 99% of the time back their own worker. I don't want to get too far into it or ask questions in case I go too far, and this gets taken down. Being threatened to be barred is pretty extreme!!

I'm sorry about your toxic sibling and the trouble she is causing you, especially as you're trying to grieve your dad!

Take care of you, my friend 💜

@tyme Knowing what images the mods find gory at SANE, tells me the sad truth once more, that truth can often not be told or demonstrated here at SANE. i have already bumped into that a few times now.

@ENKELI @heartathome @Appleblossom @AuntGlow @Realness

i cannot understand why there is not part here at SANE for ill people who are still brave enough to face the truth, even of their own rot if need be. As far as i'm concerned not being allowed to speak/show the truth can never be for the best of those who suffer it.

Why is there not a 'separate' space we can share our lives in truth, honesty and frankness? And others, to weak to benefit from such real life truths, can choose to stay away from exposing themselves to?

As it is we are denied to share who we are really, how we really operate, think, act, or operate. Sure safety and nurture is important, but so is truth, honesty and the ability to be different than the norm allows, especially in lives like ours which have have often been wrecked by those overcome by the lies hurting them within and without.

No angry just disappointed.👋

HI @heartathome , @DownMoreThanUp , @Appleblossom , @ENKELI , @AlwaysMyself , @REDLINEZ750 , @MissGremlin ,

John 12

- Six days before the Passover.

- Lazarus, Martha and Mary have a feast for Jesus.

- Mary anoints Jesus' feet with expensive ointment.

- Jesus states Mary is preparing Him for His burial.

- Crowds come to see the risen Lazarus as well as Jesus. Chief priests also plot against Lazarus.

- Jesus comes to Jerusalem as King riding a donkey. A crowd with palm branches shouting, "Hosanna! Blessed is He Who comes in the name of the Lord - the King of Israel!" Fulfills Old Testament prophecy.

- Jesus says:

• The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
• Truly I tell you, unless a grain of wheat dies, it remains by itself. But if it dies, it produces much fruit.
• The one who loves his life will lose it, and the one who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
• If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me . . .
• Now My soul is troubled. What should I say - Father, save me from this hour? But that is why I came to this hour. Father glorify Your Name.

- Voice from heaven. Sounds like thunder to the crowd.

- More Jesus:

• Now is the judgement of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
• As for Me, if I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all people to Myself.

- Crowd ask questions and don't believe. Isaiah fulfilled: "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they would not see with their eyes or understand with their hearts and turn and I would heal them."

- Nevertheless many believed but would not confess Him so that they would not be banned from the synagogue. For they loved human praise more than praise from God.

- And more Jesus:

• The one who believes in Me believes not in Me, but in Him Who sent Me.
• I have come as light into the world, so that everyone who believes in me would not remain in darkness.
• I did not come to judge the world but to save the world . . . The word I have spoken will judge [them] on the last day.
• For I have not spoken on My own, but the Father Himself Who sent Me has given Me a command to say everything I have said. I know that His command is eternal life.

Jesus approaching the time of His sacrifice. It is referred to as the time He will be glorified. The time He will glorify God. I suspect that spiritual glory often involves suffering.

Hi @DownMoreThanUp ,

Thanks for sharing your childhood experience of going to church. I have always wished I grew up in a family that went to church. I hear yours and others' experiences and I think perhaps it is okay to come to church fresh at eighteen - old enough read the New Testament and work out if what is being taught is correct. It amazes me how many different churches don't recognise Christians who go to other churches as Christians! It's everywhere.

@ENKELI I came to Christ through a very Bible focused church. Images of Jesus on the cross were neither taboo nor often seen. We worshipped on Sundays only (none of the other special days like Good Friday, Christmas day unless they fell on the Sunday). So I never experienced Good Friday until I visited other churches. I must admit I don't like Good Friday. The crucifixion without the resurrection is too heavy. So I understand why some churches don't encourage images of Jesus on the Cross.

Hi @Appleblossom ,

The musical workshop sounds wonderful. You must be very good to be involved in so many musical events. Congratulations!

Recently I heard about an organisation that connected musically gifted poor children with the means of having a career in music. One of the founders was asked what they look for in the children. The answer was confidence. Someone who shines and thrives when people are looking at them perform their music.

This made sense to me. I always loved music as a child but never really got anywhere near performing. I was a shy child who lacked confidence in front of other people. As I grew older it didn't bother me - I would play the piano and be content with my audience of one (God). But it would have been nice to be more confident and be able to play in front of people. Even now I am acutely shy when it comes to doing things in front of other people.

I imagine your sensitivity shining through your music. I can understand you needing to be in a "robust frame of mine" when in music leadership. I'm sure your music has a "not quite of this earth" aura.

Hi @heartathome ,

How was your time away? The catch up with your friend. Are you back home?

Your comment "There are 3 sides to a story - my side, their side and the truth" jumped out at me. I think there may be even more than one truth.

I remember a funny incident once. It involved one person very hard of hearing and two older people who didn't listen very well. It was like a scene in a sitcom. The person hard of hearing would say something and the two who didn't listen well would each take it in a different way and on a different tangent. I can't remember what was at the centre of the action but it was a bit like the one very hard of hearing saying the flowers were pretty and one of the ladies insisting on watering the flowers while the other was trying to throw them out because they had both misheard the first person. When people listen that poorly it's not surprising there are many sides to a situation.

I'm just deciding what to do with this afternoon. I'm thinking maybe a unit of the theology course and water the front plants.

Hope you are having a nice day.