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Jaded towards psychiatrists, but hopeful

Jaded towards psychiatrists, but hopeful

Hi all.

It's been a while since i have been in forums of this nature. I remember years ago the MSN chat rooms, they were not good places, all that happened were people posting inappropriate stuff and others getting triggered.

Anyways...

I have struggled with depression throughout my life, some times worse than others. I have also experienced some trauma in my life. When I was 14, i experienced the onset of bipolar disorder, it was a pretty scary time.

These days, and three breakdowns later, i think i am doing ok. For me anyway. Not perfect, far from it, but better than i was a while back.

Some of the things that i really struggle with now are crap doctors. Psychiatrists if i am specific. I have always kept that to myself in these forums because i don't want to discourage others from seeking help if they need it (and in that regard i should add that most of my experiences have been positive overall) but there are some really toxic ones around and there are experiences that leave people scarred and unable/unwilling to seek out that help again at their most desperate point. I feel it's a discussion that needs ot be had. The issue needs to be flagged and brought into the light by orgs such as Sane and others.

I had a bad experience this year. I wish i never saw her. I don't think she was/is an evil person, i just think they get to a point where they don't pay attention, where they can be flippant, careless, indifferent or just burnt out. Some of the ones who have been around for a while can also become really cynical, to the point they look at you with suspicion like youi're lying about your condition or the extent of what you are going through or the meds you are on. Psychs deal with some really heavy stuff and i guess in some way they have to mentally and emotionally remove themselves from their "work self", i do get that, but i don't know what support is around for them to make sure they are giving their clients appropriate care and not leaving them worse than when they came in the door.

So i saw this psych in May, and i had seen my old psych before her at the end of last year. I have made an appointment with my old one for next month but i am seriously considering cancelling it... i was pressured into making the appointment by hospital staff (not psych hospital, but where i recently had a baby) and i don't mind my old one, he is ok... no miracle worker but he isn't toxic so that's good enough for me these days. What will happen is that i will pay a tidy sum for him to ask me common sense questions and try to tweak my meds. The thing is, i already know i can't take certain meds because i am breastfeeding my newborn baby. Those are the meds he would prefer me to be on, which i haven't been on because i have been pregnant or trying to get pregnant. I can't go on them anyway, so we will have that conversation and i will leave his rooms the same way i went in. No worse, no better, just the same, and there's nothing he can do really because of my current circumstances.

My psychologist wanted me to try a new psych, but she works at a hospital that the toxic one from May has some connection with and i feel like i need ot avoid all places this other psych works at.

Sorry for the rant. Am just really tired of all this, and praying to God that i don't have another breakdown in my life because i don't know if i couold handle trying to get help again and encountering another toxic human when i am feeling so vulnerable. Sorry if this triggers anyone. I feel like i have nowhere to express this...

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Hi @CherryBomb
Yes you do reflect. Keep my crumbling intelligence going.
So does @Appleblossom
The book is " the half way house, Poetics of Australian Spaces.' By Jennifer Rutherford.

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I feel so sad for u I really do. You r to b commended for putting your baby's needs first. However if mum doesn't take care of herself either then your baby may suffer the consequences too. It's like playing Russian roulette with your state of mind. Don't settle for the same old same old. You deserve better than that n so does your baby. Is there a mental health community centre in your area. Look in the phone book or on the Internet for one that's govt funded. If not then get onto a women's help line. Let your eyes n fingers do the walking. Phone calls r cheaper than fuel n it's getting too hot to b running around town. Let me know how u go. Two minds r better than none.

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@CannonSalt my last GP was very clear that any referral he made was subject to me feeling good about the person ... and said he was ok to write new referrals for 2nd, 3rd opinions if needed ... but he also wanted to kindly warn me that there were some new practitioners in the area that he thought might not be the best for me ... I dont know how common that is among GPs or if it depends on the relationship built up over time ... the thought of a person whom I could truly feel comfortable with is a beguiling hope ... ah ...maybe one day ...

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My mother sent me the following article, and I thought it would be relevant here.

"No, you are not an hysterical female, and this is not just anxiety." by Patti Digh

http://www.37days.com/no-you-are-not-an-hysterical-female-and-this-is-not-just-anxiety/

After falling onto her head and having concussion, double vision, blood clots, vertigo, etc. etc. Ms. Digh was told it was 'just anxiety'. It was also 'just anxiety' because she went into the hospital on a weekend rather than wait until Monday. Then later on, she had a heart attack. It gives some good tips for red flags with doctors.

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Jaded towards doctors but hopeful.

I have allowed my GP to let his med students interview me ... but this doctor had respect and therefore so did the student .. also I was hanging out in the same red carpeted medical library at the time ... inside information goes a long way ....

I think I am grieving my old doc ... gradually letting go and moving on.

How are you going @CannonSalt

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interesting to reread this after I first posted in 2016. At the time I had not really processed my jadedness. I was still in hopeful mode. Maybe my soul work is to be more realistic and not tolerate so much BS. Anyway still grateful for that GP. I have never met one that came close.

@PeppiPatty @QuietSoul @MockingJay @rav3n @AuntGlow

melancholia….

@chibam just really appreciated your honesty since way back in the early forum days.

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@Appleblossom wrote:

@chibam just really appreciated your honesty since way back in the early forum days.


Thanks, @Appleblossom ! 🙂🤗

Quite a trip down memory lane this thread.

That honesty gets me into trouble more often then not. I frequently wonder if it's just better for me to keep my trap shut.

But it's refreshing to hear that, at least some times, it's appreciated. 🙂

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Definitely appreciated by me, though I know what you mean about not rocking the boat too much. @chibam Its just good for the many that don’t speak about that stuff, or it all gets swept under the carpet.

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@Appleblossom wrote:

Definitely appreciated by me, though I know what you mean about not rocking the boat too much. @chibam Its just good for the many that don’t speak about that stuff, or it all gets swept under the carpet.


It's maddening, @Appleblossom . All the time we hear these soundbytes being put out by various community leaders, saying: "We need to talk about mental health"... Except we're not aloud to talk about it! 😠 Or, at least, there are an awful lot of crucial matters that we aren't aloud to talk about - matters upon which the rest of the subject of public mental health rests upon.

You try to have a conversation about these problems and you either get sensored or kicked out of the conversation.

It's not right; and it's at the very heart of why we're still having the exact same unproductive conversations as we were having 10, 15 years ago. Their unproductive because they are incomplete, due to sensorship!

How do supposedly-wise community leaders not see this? Why do they still insist on sweeping the most pertinant factors under the rug? Can't they see that, despite whatever problems might arise from speaking these truths out loud, the problems that will endure due to them being silenced are much, much worse?

@Jlol did a thread recently about government action on mental health - I meant to reply to it, but I got sidetracked with other things. But the essence of what I wanted to say was that we have no hope of there ever being any beneficial government action on mental health until we actually get the opportunity to speak openly and frankly about what the problems are, and what solutions we need.

At the moment, we just don't have that level of free speech in the mental health conversation.

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Well said @chibam!

I definitely think, too, that any public conversation (as in in the media, by politicians, etc) we have about mental health are just about 2 things:

  1. "Its ok to not be ok/ask for help/etc"
  2. "We need more funding/psychologists/mental health care workers!"

Very, very rarely* are the causes of poor mental health talked about: financial distressed, isolation, homelessness, uncertainty.
I very much worry that the current rhetoric we have around mental health is designed to shift blame to the person suffering it. As in "you're sick. See a doctor, talk to a shrink". Not "This demographic has poor mental health, why?".

To use a poor analogy: It's like a chemical plant worker working in a factory with poor ventilation and PPE, getting sick, then being told by the factory owner that they need to talk about it and see a doctor, only to return to the same toxic workplace the next day.
Seeing a doctor (or a shrink) is good. Being in an environment that doesn't make you sick is better.

And I totally get how we're being censored. Look at all the new words that have sprung up, particularly in social media like "Unalive". People are literally unable to say the word "suicide". Even on this very forum the rules around when you can and can't mention the "s" word are so vague a lot of people don't bother talking about it anymore. I'm so sick of it.

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@Jlol wrote:

Seeing a doctor (or a shrink) is good. Being in an environment that doesn't make you sick is better.


The only quibble I would have with your excellant response, @Jlol , is that sometimes seeing a therapist is not good. Sometimes, it can make things much worse.


@Jlol wrote:

And I totally get how we're being censored. Look at all the new words that have sprung up, particularly in social media like "Unalive". People are literally unable to say the word "suicide". Even on this very forum the rules around when you can and can't mention the "s" word are so vague a lot of people don't bother talking about it anymore. I'm so sick of it.


I know. It's rediculous isn't it? Having to invent silly new words to get around sensorship. As you say, I've been noticing "unalive/unalived/unaliving" everywhere for quite a while now. Makes us sound like toddlers who haven't figured out how to speak english properly. Which, I'm sure, subconsciously makes it more difficult for others to take us seriously.

But it goes beyond the mere curtailing of our language (which in itself is a terrible thing); the truly insidious thing is that there are so many ideas that have been declared unmentionable by the authorities!

How can we ever have a productive discussion if we're forbidden from speaking our point-of-view? Or our values?

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