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Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Good morning Forum Land,

So... @CheerBear @Zoe7 and I have decided to embark on an adventure of working through the DBT skills training manual together but not. That is, we all bought the manual at the same time, but we will probably work through it each in our own muddled puddled confuddled way. Consequently, who knows how this thread will end up looking. That's ok, that's why it's an adventure.

We would super love other Forumites to join us on this adventure if they want to. You definitely don't need to own the manual to join us, though if you want to, this is the book we are working from: DBT Skills Training Manual (second edition) by Marsha Linehan published in 2015. The manual has LOTS of worksheets in it, but happily, you can download those for free from this website: https://www.guilford.com/companion-site/DBT-Skills-Training-Manual-Second-Edition/9781462516995

It is important to be aware that this manual is not a self-help book. This is the manual designed to train therapists in how to deliver DBT to clients. Therefore, it can make for challenging reading at times. Personally, I find it hugely validating reading the way in which Linehan addresses the all-too-common negative and stigmatising attitudes that many mental health professionals have towards clients with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). However, others may find it distressing realising just how pervasive these attitudes can be across the mental health profession.

DBT was originally developed specifically to treat people with BPD. However, there is now a strong evidence base showing that is effective across a wide range of mental health issues. This is due to the core focus of DBT being on emotion regulation. DBT has also been shown to be effective in helping non-clinical populations manage their emotions. It may be of particular interest to some people in Forum Land, that DBT skills training has been shown to be effective in helping the carers of those with mental health issues cope with the challenges associated with that caring role.

As I said, I'm really not sure how this adventure is going to pan out...but we will never know if we don't try, will we! The manual begins with an introductory chapter outlining the theoretical basis for DBT. It has lots of nice little subheadings which breaks it up into easily manageable chunks. Thus I'm thinking @CheerBear and @Zoe7, that we could tackle the introduction based on these subheadings. Ideally I would love to do a little bit each day, but given the muddle that is my world, that is unlikely to happen. I expect it is far more likely that some weeks I will have a lot to say, and at other times, weeks may go by where I have nothing to say. I am guessing it will be the same for you...and that is a bazillion percent ok.

I superly duperly hope that some other Forumites decide to join us. But if not, that's ok too. I'm just as happy playing by myself.

And on that note, let the adventure begin...

Finding your way in the DBT adventure.

The following is a bit of a guide to navigating your way around what I anticipate will end up being quite a lengthy thread. The link will take you to the relevant page. Here in Forum Land, there are ten posts per page so you may need to scroll down a little way to find the actual post. The relevant headings are in large blue font to help you find them easily.

What is DBT? (This bit is on this first page so just scroll down).

Understanding Emotion Dysregulation

Are People With BPD Manipulative?

Accepting Our Emotions

The Consequences of Emotion Dysregulation

An Overview of DBT

Orientation, Goals and Guidelines

Pros and cons of learning and using DBT skills

Pros and cons of using DBT skills versus self-harming

Introduction to mindfulness

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Observe

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Describe and Participate

Mindfulness "How" Skills: Part One - Nonjudgmentally

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Yep, like you suggested @Teej Nothing has been magically lifted from my shoulders yet - I don't feel good about these things that I need to accept.

It's a work in progress, it might take a lot of time, like you suggested.

I have psychosomatic symptoms as warnings too sometimes @Faith-and-Hope

Unfortunately I maybe tried to ignore them, in the past.

Acknowledgement that things need to be accepted is the first step - I've got that far, even though I don't like those things....

Adge

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I been thinking about Radical and Acceptance long before DBT came out.

Individually as concepts and both words used together in a Christian context.

Perhaps some things need to be accepted, but "need" concept is pretty tricky here.

It can be a big problem if it is applied inflexibly to the wrong person at the wrong time.

I am concerned by young or inexperienced MH workers mindlessly applying concepts to vulnerable people without sufficient attention to context. Ahem ... even if they are proficient in mindfulness techniques per se ...

I can see DBT is a broad program.

Life and Lived Experience is a rich resource too.

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Hello @Appleblossom, @Adge, @Teej, @Faith-and-Hope, @CheerBear, @Zoe7, @Neelix, @Determined @roachy @BPD-Cinderella @Abs @glitterbee @Dolf @lolamay @Treve @aggieg,

after taking a pause for a little while, can we get back to business on this thread and focus our attention back onto the positive growth outcomes of DBT ?-- I agree @Faith-and-Hope

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Happy to contribute here again @Shaz51 and maybe @Sans911 could join us as she has just completed a refresher course and @Snowie is about to start her course in January, Would be good to get it up and running again especially for Snowie to talk things thrugh when they come up. I remember the first module and a bit I did it was very overwhelming - that may have been more to do with where I was sitting at the time, the little confidence I had in myself and my anxiety about being around other people. All that combined made it really tricky for me to concentrate and the pdoc appointments afterwards were hard because I couldn't remember anything we did.

It is great to talk through some of the stuff covered in DBT with others.

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that is a great idea @Zoe7

how about it @Sans911 and @Snowie

t is great to talk through some of the stuff covered in DBT with others.-- I think soo too

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Happy to chat here about DBT related things. And more than happy to be here to help @Snowie

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That is awesome @Sans911 and I'm sure @Snowie will benefit from your knowledge as well. I am on my second round of modules and getting things I didn't on the first round (which I didn't cope with at all) - in a different place though now and the support in the group is wonderful.

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I'd be happy to help you too @Zoe7. Just ask hun

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Thanks @Sans911 Appreciate the offer but I have a handle on it now the second time around - it is amazing how much easier it is being in the right headspace.

Only too happy to post about what we are doing next module and get your input for others here too though - your opinion and wisdom is always valued Hon

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Hi there everyone! I have just come across this forum and I would love to join and contribute and work through the book with you guys :).

I know I am a little behind but I can catch up and share as I go.... If you will have me 🙂
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