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Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Let's do Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT)

Good morning Forum Land,

So... @CheerBear @Zoe7 and I have decided to embark on an adventure of working through the DBT skills training manual together but not. That is, we all bought the manual at the same time, but we will probably work through it each in our own muddled puddled confuddled way. Consequently, who knows how this thread will end up looking. That's ok, that's why it's an adventure.

We would super love other Forumites to join us on this adventure if they want to. You definitely don't need to own the manual to join us, though if you want to, this is the book we are working from: DBT Skills Training Manual (second edition) by Marsha Linehan published in 2015. The manual has LOTS of worksheets in it, but happily, you can download those for free from this website: https://www.guilford.com/companion-site/DBT-Skills-Training-Manual-Second-Edition/9781462516995

It is important to be aware that this manual is not a self-help book. This is the manual designed to train therapists in how to deliver DBT to clients. Therefore, it can make for challenging reading at times. Personally, I find it hugely validating reading the way in which Linehan addresses the all-too-common negative and stigmatising attitudes that many mental health professionals have towards clients with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). However, others may find it distressing realising just how pervasive these attitudes can be across the mental health profession.

DBT was originally developed specifically to treat people with BPD. However, there is now a strong evidence base showing that is effective across a wide range of mental health issues. This is due to the core focus of DBT being on emotion regulation. DBT has also been shown to be effective in helping non-clinical populations manage their emotions. It may be of particular interest to some people in Forum Land, that DBT skills training has been shown to be effective in helping the carers of those with mental health issues cope with the challenges associated with that caring role.

As I said, I'm really not sure how this adventure is going to pan out...but we will never know if we don't try, will we! The manual begins with an introductory chapter outlining the theoretical basis for DBT. It has lots of nice little subheadings which breaks it up into easily manageable chunks. Thus I'm thinking @CheerBear and @Zoe7, that we could tackle the introduction based on these subheadings. Ideally I would love to do a little bit each day, but given the muddle that is my world, that is unlikely to happen. I expect it is far more likely that some weeks I will have a lot to say, and at other times, weeks may go by where I have nothing to say. I am guessing it will be the same for you...and that is a bazillion percent ok.

I superly duperly hope that some other Forumites decide to join us. But if not, that's ok too. I'm just as happy playing by myself.

And on that note, let the adventure begin...

Finding your way in the DBT adventure.

The following is a bit of a guide to navigating your way around what I anticipate will end up being quite a lengthy thread. The link will take you to the relevant page. Here in Forum Land, there are ten posts per page so you may need to scroll down a little way to find the actual post. The relevant headings are in large blue font to help you find them easily.

What is DBT? (This bit is on this first page so just scroll down).

Understanding Emotion Dysregulation

Are People With BPD Manipulative?

Accepting Our Emotions

The Consequences of Emotion Dysregulation

An Overview of DBT

Orientation, Goals and Guidelines

Pros and cons of learning and using DBT skills

Pros and cons of using DBT skills versus self-harming

Introduction to mindfulness

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Observe

Mindfulness "What" Skills: Describe and Participate

Mindfulness "How" Skills: Part One - Nonjudgmentally

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@Phoenix_Rising - I see you point about being right or wrong. I think the reason Marsha Linehan does that is because right, wrong and should are judgements which is a lot of the premises behind DBT. Judgements are negatively biased, and prevent us from growth, stability and healthy self work as well as impairing communication & interpersonal relationships.

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Work=worth @Phoenix_Rising

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thank you @Former-Member@Sans911@Phoenix_Rising that is very helpful. i get it now.

@Sans911not bad for an early morning post! and love your RA of menopause. and thank you for explaining ACCEPTS

@Phoenix_Risinglooking forward to the next installment but whenever your ready

@Former-Memberthank you for sharing the link, that was helpful too

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Hi @Former-Member 👋🏼

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Hey there @Catcakes and everyone else here - thanks for the tag.

Purchased the books today (on a great sale), should be with me in about 10 days.

I will continue to avidly read to try to catch up and hopefully join you all on this journey.

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@Phoenix_RisingI get the point about No "Should" - my psychologist is big on No "Shoulding", No "Butting", & No "Musting"...

I think that's because those words (or expectations) put unnecessary negative pressure on ourselves.

I think that saying that there is no right or wrong (at all) is taking it too far though.

The law & road rules certainly don't see it that way - try breaking a law or rule to find out....

No I'm not recommending breaking the law

Adge

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@Phoenix_Rising
Am I being a but naughty by suggesting we could we practice radical acceptance if we don't agree with the opinion of Ms Linehan on the question of good and bad ????

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Adge

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Hi @Former-Member it is SUPER nice to see you here on the DBT adventure. Don't stress too much about trying to catch up - it's not exactly a fast-paced adventure. Have you done any DBT previously, SunShower?

I actually wrote some more of the next installment yesterday, so it is in progress. Of course, that still doesn't necessarily mean I will finish it before the year 2020, but hey, we can always hope.

@Adge why the sad face? I definitely agree with your psychologist regarding "should" and "must" in a lot of ways. For example, I agree that it is super unhelpful to say things like "I should be able to get the next bit of the DBT adventure written." However, on the other hand, I think it is perfectly fine to say things like "parents should provide lots of love and care to their children." I agree with what you said in one of your posts about how if we totally get rid of right/wrong, should, shouldn't etc., we land in the realm of relativism, which is not a philosophy I subscribe to.

@Former-Member giggle, yes I think it is perfectly fine to radically accept Linehan's opinion. I agree with MOST of her argument, but not ALL of it...but her opinion is her opinion and that's ok. I would definitely struggle in a face-to-face DBT group if Linehan's argument was presented as a fact rather than an opinion based on a particular philosophy. I wonder if group leaders are able to accept when clients disagree with the philosophy, or whether such clients are labelled "treatement resistent" or some such thing. Maybe some Forumites who have actually attended a DBT group might have something to say about this???

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Appreciate the warm welcome @Phoenix_Rising

Haven't done DBT as far as I know it to have been called that, but, there are many aspects of the therapy that I have done with some of the therapists over time. I'm pretty sure the psych the helped me the most used some of these methods. Radical Acceptance is a familiar term and something I've been working on/with/ whatever. and some of the Encounter group therapy I did in the 70's seems to have been similarish. Did lots of work on 'ougths and shoulds' too.

I'm looking forward to getting into this with this group. Thanks for being here.

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