DanSenior Contributor
Psychologist Toby Watson—Psychiatry is Misleading the Public About Mental Disorders
Something to think about!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPV0HnmtJ88&feature=youtu.be
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DanSenior Contributor
Something to think about!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPV0HnmtJ88&feature=youtu.be
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AppleblossomSenior Contributor
Thanks for this.
I will take a page from his book and refer to my meds differently from now on.
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DothemoSenior Contributor
Hi @Dan,
Thanks for posting, I enjoyed watching this. The only problem is that the video is posted by the CCHR - the Citizens commission on Human Rights - a Scientology front group. Scientology is biased and is very anti psychiatry. Not because they have found evidence per se, but initially because their founder - L.Ron Hubbard hated psychiatry and psychiatrists. So they operate from the original premise that "psychiatry is bad", then try to find evidence to prove that assertion. I still read their material though but I keep that in mind.
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DanSenior Contributor
You are welcome @Appleblossom! @Dothemo thanks for this information. I didn't know that CCHR is a scientology front end. In fact I don't have a good impression about the founders of scientology either. Having said that, there's a truth to this video, though I'm not sure what intensions that CCHR is having whilst promoting this. So I would only take the right things they said as right and neglect the rest.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/22266-psychiatry-now-admits-its-been-wrong-in-big-ways-but-can-it-change
https://www.sott.net/article/329256-Is-Psychiatry-bullsht-Some-psychiatrists-view-the-chemical-imbalance-theory-as-a-well-meaning-lie
If we do a proper research into voice hearing, delusions even we will understand that chemical imbalance theory, indeed an urban legend, this is from my perspective by researching into experiences of voice hearers and other psychological illnesses. I see up to this day, people have done a very poor research into this, that's why they have come to a conclusion even saying that we heard voices throughout our known history, this is not true at all. We understand that today people hear voices throughout the day (24x7x365), but if we check the history we don't find evidence of people making claims that they hear voices throughout the day if check records in the period of 8th to 16th century. Ofcause at this period they claim that they heard random voices. However, we should understand that these random voices suddenly people start hearing 24/7 or throughout the day after the 17th century, which is weird.
Secondly, voices are having logical conversations with people, this cannot be explained with chemical imbalance theory.
Thirdly, I found so many evidence that voices have abnormal powers,
The following comment is copied from a forum:
1)
“if i needed to get somewhere i did not know the directions to…they would literally lead me there without me having looked at a map…just with them directing me…it is heady stuff…”
Voices can tell you how to get to a location even if you don't know, meaning asking you to go in this direction, make a left turn, right turn etc..
2): Another experience of a person,
My subliminal voice always kept me safe at dangerous times and safe from dangerous people. I always seemed to know most events in advance, and this protected me and my family from nasty stuff. But the voice also made me lose almost my whole capital at the age of 40, and showed me that I could start from scratch. And I did. At the age of 53 I re-started to medidate and I experienced qi cong resonance within a month. This seemed to help me a lot with my health issues. I have been hearing the voice since the last 6 years, and the voice tells me exactly what will happen in the future in different parts of the world, and it also tells me what my colleagues are up to.”
3). I am now happy to say that I still do hear voices, yes… and we get along great (and will forever continue to do so). My voices really helped me to become a better, stronger person, and sometimes they still do the devil voice when they are in a joking mood. Actually, they can do any voice they want (man, woman, child, God, devil, British guy, Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Mexican, someone I know, etc.). It’s a skill they have that I’ve learned to appreciate, and I find incredibly entertaining.”
I see many voice hearers claim that their voices can imitate anyone's voice, people don't have this kind of an ability, therefore, chemical imbalance or even our brain cannot create these electrical activities in the auditory cortex to make us hear these voices.
Therefore, I don't see there's a logic to believe in a chemical imbalance theory. Seems like so many people are just blind followers.
Finally, I found out that delusions such as thought broadcast/ thought insertion were not there prior to 17th century, these are all new abnormal experiences that people saw after the 17th century. In this period one of the most famous delusion is glass delusion, following is a link.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32625632
Now I also found out that thought broadcast delusion is due to experiences that individuals experience. Any person who experience this will have this delusion,
I have explained this to people who are suffering from this delusion this is a reply that I got from another person.
https://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread153854.html (PS: Admins: there are no identifiable sources of anyone in this link)
Therefore, even when we research into these experiences we could understand that chemical imblance theory indeed is a false theory!
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DothemoSenior Contributor
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@Dan Regardless of the source, this topic is a really important one .There is a lot of research and indeed practitioners themselves, who are questioning traditional methods, pharmaceutical "approval" vs lobbying and indeed the whole industry and its approach and what should be done. For enquiring minds there are many great sources: Documentaries and articles, out there to find.
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DanSenior Contributor
Based on my own experience I understand that voices and most of these psychological illnesses are due to a hidden technology. I'm not saying this blindly by following other people, from my own weird experience and by carefully analysing other people's experiences, the history etc.. People are being tortured 24/7 but sadly know believe this or they cannot even comprehend such an idea due to the time of this invention. Even technology itself is so advance, that a normal person cannot think of it's capabilities. I already gave reasons for why voices cannot be due to a chemical imbalance, now if someone says that it could be due to Gods, ghosts, spirits, I could explain why that's not the case too. These are just false concepts that people are having with regard to voices.
Then, if you are a person who experience your thoughts are being broadcasted, you will face the following experience,
"You will meet people who respond to you thoughts everywhere. Sometimes, this can be your neighbours, when you are in a coffee shop, in a library, people in television programs, radio stations, while you are shopping, in the streets etc... you name it. You will meet people who respond to your thoughts everywhere. So the bottom line is again they know nothing about your thoughts, these responses which aligns with your thoughts are coming to them out of the blue, which convincing you." -
Ex: You are sitting in a coffee shop and thinking of going to France, a person who is in front of you suddenly start talking about france and making bad comments. These type of cases would happen to people who experience thought broadcast so often. That's why they make such claims. Is it a random incident? Not at all, these incidences start happening to a person who have thought broadcast delusion so often every day. Sometimes, 20, 30 times even, which is why they start believing that their thoughts are being broadcasted.
If I ask this question, up to this day, is there any doctor or a scientist have observed this strange phenomena? Or any person out there, have ever managed to observe this or say this?
What everyone did was blindly following what the pshychiatrists saying and named these people as delusional people and have some kind of mental illness. How can a person say it's a mental illness, when originally that believe comes due to real world experience? We understand that people are not able to hear thoughts of other people but now how come people around a person who has this delusion talked about things which is in a mind of a delusional person? How they suddenly start talking about things which a delusional person thinking? Why so many random people suddenly talking things in mind of a delusional person?
From a delusional person's perspective they talk things related to his life, activities etc.. but truelly that random person has no idea of whatsover. People with delusion are actually going through an uncomfortable situation to clarify this even, cause even if this person ask from the mind reader (according to delusional person) if they know his thoughts, they reject it (which is the truth) and start thinking that his/her is out of his/her mind. So chances of understanding the truth is very low.
So, these are the things that we should research into. Brain scanning will not help us to understand this.
The problem is people don't know how to explain their experiences, so from doctors point of view they have some sort of mental illness and that's due to their poor understanding too.
Another example would be Gang stalking delusion, you can simply youtube for this, there you will find so many people who captured gang stalking in their camera's too. What are their claims?
People who experience gang stalking, suddenly they start seeing people who are wearing red colored or white colored shirts following them. Red or white color vehicle follow them, vehicles stop near their houses. Then sometimes these people again talk about things happening in victims personal life, which makes these victims believe that they are stalking them, invading their privacy. However, if a person do a research they will see that these are normal people and they had no intension of following them.
So from the victims perspective these are stalkers but from a researchers perspective these are normal random people. However, these researchers has failed to identify/noticed that the abnormal experiences such as, people following them, talking things related to their personal life (similar to thought broadcast delusion), suddenly vehicles stopping in front of their houses etc.. has gone abnormally high. We cannot put these experiences into the category of coincidences.
Problem is no one has ever done a proper research and see why these people are facing these abnormal experiences, which make doctors to label them as people with delusions? These are induced delusions to people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/11/health/gang-stalking-targeted-individuals.html?_r=0
This is the reason why some people in the history said the following,
https://www.academia.edu/18656936/Balzac_s_Louis_Lambert_schizophrenia_before_Bleuler
"Hare [20] defend precisely this hypothesis, arguing that the scarcity of reports previous to 1800 indeed leeds to the conclusion that schizophrenia is a recent disease, and therefore, that it must have been triggered by a specific event around 1800.."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmkdEKazZnI - In the 17th to 18th century this should have taken place. The voices that you experience today are due to a highly sophisticated program. AI's are giving these experiences to you. Your brains are being decoded 24/7 and some of your brains are being stimulated to give these psychological illnesses to people. People who talked about witchcraft prior to seventeenth century are the start of this technology, where people didn't know how to explain their experiences rather they believed in witches.
1797 was the first famous case of schizophrenic due to this technology.
"James Tilly Matthews in 1797 and the name of the machine was called as the “Influencing machine”. His case claimed to be the earliest clear description of schizophrenia in British psychiatric writing."
From this point after 50, 60 years we started experiencing multiple personality disorder ( One main symptom that they get is voices) , Synesthesia, Foreign Language disorder, Bi-polar disorder (again some have voices) etc..
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DanSenior Contributor
This is the link to my other post on thought broadcast delusion:
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DothemoSenior Contributor
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@Dan There are neuroscientists investigating phenomena such as that you are describing ,and other areas. They are beginning more with NDEs because many take place in the operating rooms or hospitals, so facts can be extrenally checked rather than just anecdotal internal experiences.
I personally have experienced some of the things you have described in your postings today. For example the map thiing - I wrote about that only a matter of days ago, though my experiences have never involved "voices" I just know, without any explanation.
Have a look into the cutting edge research going into "the non local mind" areas of neuroscience that is enveloping a range of disciplines in its broader concepts. It's not specific to the area you are talking about but it does cover a broader spectrum that could, in time, open a whole new understanding of that function of our brain and why these things occur.
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DanSenior Contributor
@Dothemo, @Former-Member Please feel free to ask any question about my view, this will help others as well to come out of their own false understanding about these illnesses. I understand even voice hearers are making claims that, NSA, CIA are inducing voices to them and therefore, as in general people have been thinking that these people are simply crazy. Voice hearers are not crazy, these false beliefs are being induced to them by this technology, voices itself are telling these kind of things to them and then they faced certain experiences making them to believe what these voices are saying.
Now, even if a doctor, scientists or a researcher reading this thinks that my view is wrong and could bring points to explain it, please feel free to do so. I’m not mentioning anything here by blindly following others, this is because of my own abnormal experience that I faced and deeply researching into this area, talking to voice hearers and on top of it by letting certain people to understand the truth and getting them out of their delusions too by applying the things that I learnt about this crime. Therefore, please feel free to question me.
I actually don’t see a difference between a doctor, a scientists who claim that some of these mental illnesses are due to a chemical imbalance and people who has delusions such as thought broadcasting or gang stalking. They both think their explanation or view as rational and not thinking openly to understand this. I personally feel sad for people who suffer from this technology, cause they are being labeled by the society and the doctors, scientists even as they are having a mental illness and without having an understanding that this is a crime.
I could ask from any researcher that if you could find any evidence of thought broadcast delusion or voices talking to people throughout the day (24x7x365) between the period of 8th to 16th century, kindly present it. You will see that somewhere from 12th to 16th century people started experiencing voices randomly and then from 17th century onwards people will start hearing voices 24x7. And after 18th century, not only 24x7 voices, you will start seeing strange disorders like multiple personality. Mostly other historical claims are from religious books.
What can we know from this? People start seeing abnormal abiities in their voices after 18th century only.
Therefore, does anyone find that doctors or scientists are more rational to claim that these are caused by a chemical imbalance or all these are due to some kind of malfunction in the brain? I will let you all to decide.
Answering your questions further,
"For example, who and why does a person or group of people use this unknown technology to broadcast voices into victims heads?”
Is there’s a chance of people doing this?
If you check the records of modern day slavery, you will see that they claim to have 46 million people living on slavery as of 2016. The ILO (International Labour Organisation) estimates that 21 million people are trapped in forced labour and other forms of modern day slavery.
This is a huge number. Which means there are so many people out there, if they get a chance to exploit another human being they will do it and they will not think twice of their evil work. Human beings are greedy for power and wealth. Not even today, this same thing reflects throughout our history. Sometimes, they ki*l their own family members to stay in power and invented things to control population too. When we see the history of Europe, we will note that witchcraft started in Europe and for over 200 or more years people were thinking that witches were attacking them at the end of 16th century people understood that there were no witches so people started rejecting this idea. These cases were due to this technology too. If a person try to understand what kind of symptoms that these people were having at this time and then compare that with the people who claims that they are targeted individuals, you will find similarities of their symptoms. This is the start of this technology and they understood the possibilities of this technology, therefore, they kept on developing this technology by using human beings as lab rats for centuries now. So voices is just one thing, they created various types of psychological/mental illnesses in people to understand how our brain works and experimented us.
Also you could think the genocides took place in the history. I could bring you countless examples of people ki**ing others mercilessly. We could look into the history of Irish people, native american’s, native australians, take Genghis Khan, I could give you countless examples throughout the history. Even today these kind of people will hurt or k**l people if they find something to do the same in an invisibly way. For them it will be the best tool. Therefore, with this technology, they(people with this kind of mindset) have exploited human beings in a way that they have never imagined before.
Is there’s a chance of such an advance technology to exist? One interesting thing would be Piri Reis Map. This is a 15th century map technically this shouldn't be there at this period cause we invented extremely accurate marine chronometers in 17th century. Someone has found it and used it more than 200 years ago before 17th century, so we cannot really say what else they have found there onward. Due to power struggles there's a reason to hide these inventions too. So from there onwards did they further develop these technologies secretly and could their technology be so advance then us is a question to ask. We don't know if Holy Roman Empire had it or other ruling kings had it.
Please refer to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2GYyGTXTs&feature=youtu.be
https://www.wired.com/2011/04/antikythera-mechanism - Antikythera Mechanism, a 2000 years old device that matches 19th century clocks in precision and complexity. Who might have accessed these technologies at what period is not something we can say beyond any doubt. Therefore, we should have an open mind to analyse things, research things and come to conclusions without relying on our beliefs.
Now has anyone try to understand why people started seeing the number of different types of personalities grew in MPD/DID people?
Following will be some interesting facts,
FOREIGN LANGUAGE SYNDROME: 1920-1940 Period
This is a strange ability that a person gets, normally after a stroke or some sort of brain injury. Doctors are baffling to understand what's happening to these victims. This is actually done by uploading information to the brain. Of cause we cannot upload information to the brain in the conventional way that we think, but this is actually possible and could achieve by stimulating our brain to create right neuron connections in different areas of the brain. From morning to evening by seeing we create new neurons, by seeing visual information will be stored in visual cortex, by listening we stimulate the brain and auditory information will be stored in auditory cortex and the list goes on. Now what if we simply bypass these senses and stimulate the right areas of the brain precisely? We can simply bypass these senses and stimulate the brain directly, which will still create neuron networks.
Victims of this crime would be people who go through accidents or some kind of brain damages, so while in a coma like state they start the stimulation and create the right neural networks. When they wake up because of these new neural networks, they can now speak in different languages.
It’s impossible for a person to talk in any language without these neural networks. It’s highly impossible a brain damage can create such a huge number of neural networks which are unique (words that we know are due to unique neural networks in our brain, we could delete knowing of words one by one if we manage to identify these unique neural network which reflects that word, similarly we could erase specific memories too, this is what happens to people with alzheimer desease etc..), for us to be able to speak in another language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyb8Ah3jChw - This is a great video!
So again I could ask, are these doctors rational? Sadly they are so blind to understand this even. We are like still living in stone ages to say things like this.
Following is an article about this strange syndrome. We have seen very few cases only so far and we don't see these cases in the 18th century or before.
http://www.pimsleurapproach.com/resources/language-research/special-needs/foreign-language-syndrome/ - Suddenly after the accident he started speaking 4 different languages. A brain damage only destroys information. There's a zero chance in having another language learnt after an accident, because massive amount of information or neuron networks should be created to speak a language, that's why we have to learn, which means stimulating our brain with new information.
Now what cause this: All the above examples should help anyone understand that our brain should not create these abnormal brain behaviour. Taking non-local mind theory,
1). If this is true, this should be there for a known history of man kind. Why 17th, 18th century?
2). Voices are talking in a third person’s perspective, so if mind has such a capability, once the mind understand something, it doesn’t have to stimulate our auditory cortex for make us to aware what the mind understood. And top of it talking in a third person’s perspective.
3). This theory still doesn’t help us to understand how it abnormally able to speak in different languages, imitating others voices after 18th century.
4). If people think of Gods, ghost, spirits, these beings were not their prior to 17th century? Whatever it is we know that in the start, prior to 17th century, our auditory cortex was randomly effecting, then after 17th century onwards, it was 24x7. Then other areas of the brain, it is showing complex, however, a controlled behaviour. This shows, the source is intelligent. Can create well controlled causes.
Therefore, I could bring countless examples to show what these voices are. Only an intelligent person would understand what I’m saying, others would reject and therefore, people simply suffer due to this. I never had an interest in researching into this before, these are my findings due to a strange incident that I myself faced in life and trying to find the cause of it. And by the time I started researching into this, I went through so many harassments too, just like what targeted individuals who complaint, they tried their best to induce delusions to me by creating certain situations in my environment, however, they utterly failed. I was remotely electrically shocked at times because of my research and trying to expose this. I would say, don’t just blindly believe what I’m saying, then you will be just another follower without an undersatnding. However, you may do your own research, understand that these are caused by a group of people who are running a global satellite grid, giving these experiences to people, while your thoughts are being decoded 24x7 and stimulating your brains as their will. Any of you could become a target of this technology at anytime. This doesn't mean that we are being always controlled, however, you could become a victim at anytime. Since they have access to any system even financial systems, they don't have a problem of funding their projects. This has been happening for a quite long time now.
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