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Overseas move gone wrong?

Overseas move gone wrong?

I was headhunted for a position overseas in Europe. In Australia sold my house, my car (which was less than 6 months old), gave away or sold all my electrical goods and quit my 20+ year career in Australia. My remaining furniture is in limbo in storage.

I have been overseas barely 3 months and haven't coped at all well with all the language issues, cultural differences, travel, and the challenge of a much more complicated new job in a different industry. Depression and anxiety now overwhelm me daily and I have never been so constantly stressed in my life. Barely holding it together at work and outside work I am totally collapsing. Been on mental health and suicide chat support services such as this one and overseas.

I am trying to choose between continuing on, which seems totally unviable as I have no strategies how to do so and involves committing even more money, or quitting and having to pay back $15 K in relocation costs and returning to Australia to face unemployment and total uncertainty - no idea how I will start again. It does seem like either A or B. There is no Plan C. My previous employer has an employment freeze so will not take me back. Paying the money back will hurt but its potentially worth my health.

But unemployment in Australia will mean I have lots of idle time to negatively dwell on the decision I made as the depression and anxiety won't just be resolved by returning to Australia. I am concerned that my negativity will completely overwhelm me and I won't be able to dig myself back out again.

For 3 months I haven't made a clear decision either way and the prolonged indecision and procrastination is destroying me. Access to mental health options overseas is much more complicated than Australia.

I have read the past forums about the challenges of a new position but I added in a move overseas, and completely undoing my past life into the mix. The combination has been overwhelming.

Interested in how people make decisions when all options seem really bad and when depression and anxiety makes decision making seem like a mammoth challenge. Or how people have lived with the consequences of past actions when my habit is continually revisiting them and not moving on.

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Hi @Engineer
Congratulations on getting through 4 months! You're doing al the right things particularly the rock climbing. Have you any chances to do abseiling? I've found that helps me and long distance walking or running. I think you'll find these things are helping more than you realise.

Maybe it's time to buy yourself a lounge, radio and TV. Not too expensive but enough to give you a sense of 'this is home'.

I think you'll find your Dutch will fall in to place quite quickly. This is what I found with Flemish anyway. The transition from Flemish to Dutch was very rapid.

Take care. Thinking of you. 🤞

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Hi @Engineer

In addition to my post above the other thing that should help you is the increased amount of sunlight and warmth as spring gives way to summer.

First thing in the morning look towards the sun but obviously not straight at it. I found this helped me a lot particularly in Europe but also in Australia. Even if it's not sunny it does seem to assist in lifting mood for a little while. Hugzzz

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Hi Engineer,

I hope you are going okay. I am in a similar position to you. I have been off work now for a few years (on workers compensation) and I need to resign but just can't bring myself to do it. My employer has treated me terribly and I know there is no way I can go back there. Like you, I am not good at making decisions and I know this will really upset me and ruin any future job prospects. I stay up late all night trying to work out how to resign.

At least your job sounds like it is okay (from what you have described). Despite the other problems you are having your work sounds like it is alright and so that is one positive thing. It can be very hard for people with depression and anxiety to find (and keep) suitable employment.

If you do end up leaving, please let me know if you ended up resigning and how you did it, as this is something I really need help with it. I might also post seperately about this issue for myself.

Please know you are not alone and life is challening but we can fight our battles.

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Hi @Engineer

Omg!! I understand. One month ago, I went on a retreat because i was totally hating my life and suffered with high anxiety. I loved it, the warm weather, yoga..there was a counsellor there I told her that I dream of moving states far away from everyone.. she made a suggestion to do it..the moment I returned home, was not even two days. I packed my car and drove alone. For 5 days. It was so freeing leaving everything behind but it was risky and dangerous. When I arrived, I thought this is not where I wanted to be. If I'm honest, I knew from the beginning something wasn't right. I found a place to live the landlord was horrible. Locals were rude. The weather was difficult to climates too and worst of all no one wanted to employ me and I've got a corporate background. What I had dreamed of had now become a disaster. All alone, new place no supports or contacts..I didn't know how to find my feet either. I wasn't honest with ppl at home when they rang I tried to hide it. I made a deal with myself if I don't get well and secure work by a certain time I was going back home...turns out that's exactly what I did. I took the control back I think at that point, I didn't want to drive all the way back so I got my car transported. Book a flight and surprised my family when I got back. Now staying with my parents for a while until I get back on my feet. It was a blow on my pride, that's what hurt the most and not to mention the money I lost. It was an experience I will never forget, I think now that this was suppose to happen to me. Im back and I'm feeling better one week in..not straight away and I'm admitting to my loved ones what I'm going through and getting the professional help I need for my anxiety, depression and another disorder. I learnt that just because I change the location doesn't mean I don't take myself with me. May you find peace with your decision, it's your life and I wish you well.

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Hi @girl99, the resigning part is not the major problem - its what comes NEXT.

Whilst I still cannot bring myself to do it, I have written the resignation letter, and chased up how to close every foreign service - bank account, electricity, gas, water, internet, health insurance etc.

So I am prepared as I can be - the actual act could be as simple as a phone call and then email with attachment.

I lie awake at night with huge anxiety about the future I cannot predict - returning home to face long term unemployment and never getting a structured life with a job again.
I have been in constant safe employment for 25 years - and the thought of being unemployed destroys me. I don't want to end up on the scrap heap.

Despite the fact I am in enviable position that after 25 years I don't even need the income, have zero debt, and I could live at a very basic level for many years without a job.

My major issue is I have a longstanding problem with unstructured unplanned time. I struggle on weeknights and weekends away from a job, and in the past have rarely taken holidays. Having 24-7 unstructured time in unthinkable to me. I need constant distraction activities and within 5 minutes of them being over I am at a loss what to do next.

I was a "star" employee well respected by my peers and managers, and considered an excellent assett to the business until MI hit me for last few years.

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Hi Engineer,

Yes I think I understand what you are saying about the resignation and what follows. I am having difficulty structuring my resignation letter let alone thinking about what happens after that as it is all too traumatic and upsetting to think about.

I know my professional career is well and truly fu*ked. But your career is NOT fucked - not yet anyway. From what you have said (and I could be wrong in my understanding as words can get misinterpreted), your job is okay. You are not being threatened with being sacked. You are able to perform your duties. That is an AWESOME thing. From what you describe, you have a good job that you are doing well in, but you are struggling with the culture. What is the minimum amount of time that you have to stay there? Can you set yourself a goal of staying say 6 months, getting a good reference from them and then leaving?

From what you have said you have only 2 options:

1. Leave - resign, pack up your things and return home

2. Stay - you can be flexible with this and set yourself a time limit for staying in your job. Look for another job in the meantime and work on making your time there more pleasant for yourself.

From my perspective, I'd try to hang onto your career as best you can.

Others on here may say differently and I am not in your shoes and don't know how bad it is for you over there, but there must have been something exciting and interesting about the job that motivated you to move over there. Focus on that. Write motivational quotes and sayings and put them up all over your apartment. Refuse to let negative energy or thoughts into your apartment. Set yourself a goal and stick to it. Tell yourself that you CAN DO IT. From my perspective, not having work and structure is horrible (particularly when you have had a professional career and prided yourself on your work). I have totally lost my identity. People ask what I do and I don't know what to say. I struggle a lot with having an unstructured day and routine and things to aim for and being viewed as useless.

They say it can take around 6 months to find another job and you have only just started looking. Can you make a decision to stay 6 months in your current position and look for other work in the meantime? Try to make the 6 months nicer for yourself - buy a cheap tv, make your apartment nicer for yourself, take some photos and every night write down in a journal something new or interesting that you have discovered about the new country you are in - remember you may never go back there!

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Update 8 months later. I feel horrified re reading this account now in January 2018.

Finally quit in July 2017. Left country and returned to Australia.

Paid back thousands of dollars to employer. Tooks months and months after I left to get everything closed.

Returned to Adelaide.

Unemployed for 1 1/2 months.

Was recruited by an ex colleague to a role in Sydney. Totally different industry to what I have worked in. Started in August 2017. Similar pay to my previous role.

Relocated to Sydney where I know no-one and have arranged a townhouse and been reunited with all my prior furniture. Bought a new car and new whitegoods to replace everything I gave up.

So many of my fears did not materialise.

However depression and anxiety has not lifted substantially - especially in this new job as very stressful. Enjoying being back in Australia and English speaking country.

Back on antidepressants and professional support in Australia. Despite this my new employer is happy with my performance.

Still struggling with isolation and loneliness here and will be looking on the forums for tips and advice about how to deal with this when nothing seems to bring joy any more.

Very appreciative of all the support people offered when I was in the midst of one of the biggest crisis of my life.

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Hi @Engineer,
I'm guessing you studied engineering?
How old are you may I ask? (generally)
When I moved into a new town I primarily met people through shared activities - I joined a sports team or two, I went to knitting circles and the like. I'm not sure if that will work for you, but Sydney is HUGE and there are heaps of groups like that - bible study group, or volunteering with the SES or whatever.
I went out and did them anyway whilst I was feeling ill. It didn't really 'help' lift my illness, but it stopped it getting worse, if that makes sense?
I'm not sure how to regain joy once you've lost it due to illness, but I do know that if you don't go looking for it, you won't find it. So I think a bit of strength and perseverance is what's really needed. (And if I knew how to get that, I'd be a millionaire!)
Anyway, enough of my rambling, welcome to Sydney and I hope you find some connection here.

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Well done @Engineer

you achieved what you thought was impossible..

anxiety and depression still there...not like a pulled muscle or similar physical injury..

need determination persistence through all of the non motivated,,,lacking energy..not wanting to go out..not wanting to socialise..not wanting to get out of bed..not able to cry or scream but wanting to so badly..

every single part of you aching...

yes can work..put on mask..

very different to facing ourselves..

ongoing self discovery...becoming comfortable in our own company..becoming comfortable in our own skin...

life is waiting for us..

for me I have to keep on grabbing spontaneity and going with it..trusting myself..

hopefully not too deep for you..if is the case no need to reply...I do not have the answer or the solution just my own experience and perspective

good luck with the next part of your journey...

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