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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself I’m really glad you organised the in person support and thwt you have therapy later today. I’m really hoping that you do click and that you are able to work through how you are feeling and find ways with the therapist to improve how you feel inside. Being tired and having a lack of positive emotions can contribute and it doesn’t need to be anything “big”. Let us know how therapy goes if you want to.

I can understand the way you describe feeling. It’s one of the symptoms of depression and a really tough one too. Does work help you have a break from thinking about it? I realise getting to work isn’t easy when you feel this way too so honestly well done on maintaining part time work that’s meaningful to you. It’s the way I’m feeling myself though there’s been environmental factors contributing. I do think once you are on the holiday you will enjoy being away and in nature. Even afterwards you will look back and positive joyful feelings can happen.

It’s ok to tag me. I otherwise wouldn’t know you’ve posted. I’m sorry I wasn’t online last night but saw your posts just now.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear I know what you mean regarding having friend support vs paid support workers. *hugs* I get the feeling that if we met each other naturally in social settings in person you'd be a personality I'd want to get to know and spend time with. 😊

I'm sorry you're feeling fearful about the move and overwhelmed. Do you have access to the new place for much extra time before the end date of the old place? (That is, can you do a little bit of a gradual move, or does it all have to be in a single day?) How long now until the move?

Hang in there; I'm sure after a few weeks the new place will feel like home. But also very considerate of the practical implications of a new neighbourhood and learning routes for you and your dog. Thank goodness for GPS maps?? I get lost without maps!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear @tyme thank you for your words and kind thoughts.

Working does help me as being a distraction from thoughts mostly. When thoughts are really strong though it can be hard to focus - but thankfully its not been that strong the past month; but was a few months ago. Mostly work is interesting intellectually, gives my brain a lot of thinking exercise which is good. (If only that type of exercise burned off fat too??)

Met with the therapist. Jury is still out, but I think she will be OK. I felt it took a bit to explain/clarify some things as how I think about things is not typical depression or human responses sometimes. But she was integrate those clarifications into her understanding and I think made a few good observations/comments - which gives me some hope that it might be helpful.

A good comment about "caring" has given me some good food for thought for reflection, self-analysis and (knowing me) probably some more research-reading to see what resonates inside.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself ,

I think sometimes, we are our own worst critic. Over the years, I've learnt to give myself some space and time to just find my feet and allow myself to be.

I think we often tell ourselves that 'this is not normal' or 'that is not normal', when in reality, what we are experiencing is definitely common to most people!

I hope you continue to find space to nurture and find yourself - to celebrate who you are.

We are here for you.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I agree most people are their worst critic @tyme . But generally speaking I am "abnormal" as I am not particularly harsh on myself - I have always liked myself and who I am as a person, and am comfortable with that. When I am critical of myself it is because I have (or have been accused of) not meeting my own standards, and my own standards are achievable and I meet them 99.9% of the time. I value what makes people themselves, and hence I am "always myself" 😉.

Other areas that I am abnormal in my psych is often healthy, its just that people expect that since I have had trauma and have depression and SI that I likely perceive or struggle with things I don't. I dont have anxiety, I have good self-worth, self-image and general self-confidence. I can establish clear and respectful boundaries and distance myself from harmful relationships. I don't interpret a lack of care shown by others as a lack of my worth/value, but rather as factors related to the other person or the relative importance of the relationship.

I think people (therapists) expect me to have a lot of underlying negative beliefs "because" I'm depressed. But I'm not depressed about who I am or what abilities I have.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Good morning. How are you doing? You are likely at work today before some days off. I hope it’s been a good week.

Thank you for understanding. I do think if we met naturally we would get along. 🙂

The actual move is on Monday but I get keys Friday. I don’t drive and so the move is in one day. But that’s ok at least it will get done. Just such a big job doing this and I’m hoping it goes smoothly. I’m exhausted from just preparing.

At least I’ll be in same area so I won’t need to learn everything just the local part to new place. 🙂

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Fingers crossed and prayers for Monday moving @Cuddlebear ! 🥰 Glad you were able to get a place in a familiar area to reduce one little extra bit of pressure and stress.

I think you are amazing for living independently despite the additional challenges you face. 😊 that takes courage and strength. And is admirable and honourable.

I do wish society was more easily accessible for you. And that the burden didnt fall on you so much. I hope the world is slowly progressing towards being more understanding and helpful and designed accessible by default.

Work was busy again today. Well, sort of. Was doing a whole lot of computer-based mandatory training modules lol. The 2 meetings at end of day which went late and thus made me late for my after-work appointment lol. But all good, I was only 5min late. 🙂

Yep now 4 days off work. Ahhhhh. A few errands tomorrow and some Chores on Friday. But hopefully home rest on Saturday and Sunday 🙂

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself It sounds like the new psychologist is listening and open to integrating an approach that works for you. We are all unique and when a psychologist is open to recognising and acting on that it can open up a really safe and decent place for recovery. It can take a few sessions to see if things gel too so I’m glad your migraine has will see them again and are open to seeing how it goes.

Other than money work can really help our mental health by giving our brains focus and our bodies work to do that doesn’t involve sitting with our thoughts. I really like too thwt your employment is challenging so you can problem solve and I hope feel a sense of achievement when you see the hard work pay off. I wouldn’t mind my brain working off some fat while it thinks as a double bonus lol. 😂

I really do admire the way you are approaching taking care of yourself. I appreciate it is not easy when you are having SI coupled with a lack of joy. Remember we’re here to support you. You don’t have to have these thoughts and feelings alone.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Good afternoon friend. How did your errands go today?

Thank you! I do love my independence. It’s not always easy but it is worth living my life in a free way and not being in a group home. It’s very good the new place I won’t have to learn too much and I’m sure I’ll settle in and get used to everything. Just takes a bit of effort and time.

How did the modules go? Not too hard? Sounds like you had another busy week with work. It’s so good you’ve got 4 days off to do the stuff you need to do and relax a bit as well.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I have done well with my errands @Cuddlebear - High Five! I have ticked off 3 tasks ☺️.

I'll do the laundry tomorrow i think, and spend the rest of today relaxing. Maybe even heat up some late lunch lol (its only 1:30pm).

Does your place have an outdoor area for you dog to run around and toilet?

Mine do now, but I was previously in an apartment so we had to take them out on lead to let them toilet.

My silly male dog was doing zoomies earlier inside and gave a yelp of a sore hip again. Silly boy, he seemed a little sore last night too so you would think he might decide not to run around! He's since been laying down on his matress, but we have had to separate my mum's little dog from him because he was very grumpy (growling) whenever seeing the little dog. I think when he is in pain he doesnt want the "annoying dog" around - but he doesnt do it to my other borzoi (large dog), I guess they have a closer and longer bond.

Im sure he will be fine again later tonight after resting it. I might give it a little more massage, and later tonight we can put a heat pack on it if it is still sore.

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