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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Sounds like you had a very successful mission today!

Gosh dogs are funny. They get some pain and decide zoomies are a great way to go. I hope he’s still resting and I reckon a massage will help a lot too. Yeah he’s probably growling as not as bonded and if the little one is being annoying it is likely affecting him cause he’s got some pain.

Yes the new place has a small yard where Wilbur and I can play and I can toilet him. Current place doesn’t so I have to go on nature strip with him. So much better to have some lawn on the property that’s for sure.

How was the late lunch? I just ordered some sushi for dinner tonight.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Oohh sushi sounds nice @Cuddlebear . Im there eating it with you in spirit tonight!

I heated up my leftovers from last night's dinner - some corn on the cob and chips. (We went out with family for dinner, but my meal was so big I couldn't finish it. I was brought up with "Doggy bags" and thus have no shame taking home the remaining portion when in Australia or other countries that dont have a taboo about it. I heard its a no-no for Italy though!)

Just put on a tv show to try - Dept Q.

Never watched it before, but heard it was OK. And its in English so I can multitask without needing subtitles.

Oh wow, just had a thought. I hope its OK to ask out of genuine curiosity?

So, i love foreign tv shows - especially Danish ones. But im not a fan of dubbing and prefer subtitles. With your limited vision, are you reliant upon audio-descriptions and dubbing (for foreign language shows)?

Do you know Greek? Or any other languages?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Ooooh I love corn on the cob and chips. Yum yum! I do doggie bags too lol! I had no idea though that it’s not allowed in Italy. Yeah I opted for sushi goodness as it’s healthy and I have zero motivation for cooking. Will have it a bit later though.

With subtitles I can’t see them on the tv. Too small. There’s nothing I know of thet can enlarge the size of subtitles on a tv. Mind you I just have a basic smart tv nothing fancy. I use the iPad where I can adjust the subtitles to a massive size and use yellow writing with a black block background. I also use special headphones for hearing impaired people via the iPad. It’s good I can then understand what’s going on but it’s a bummer the tv is useless. I sometimes use audio description but it’s a bit tricky when I need access to the subtitles and concentrate on reading them. I’m also hearing impaired so it’s a bit of a juggle. Apple products have some decent in built accessibility features.

What’s Dept Q about? Is it on free to air? What’s on the dinner menu tonight?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear

Netflix on my TV (a smart tv with it as an app built in) let s me do larger subtitles as you describe:

So far, Dept Q appears to be a Scottish police show, where a grump cop who doesn't get on with people has just been given a solo role of investigating cold cases (old unsolved crimes), in a very old and damp basement of the police station which he is not happy about.

I watch TV with subtitles because sometimes I find it hard to understand with background noise/music on shows. And I got into the habit of it over a decade ago when I lived with a deaf person.

I'm glad you are still able to watch things on the iPad with subtitles 😊.

I have no motivation for cooking either. I have some frozen food from a cooked meal last week which we will heat up. Shepherds pie (but mince not leg roast, easier to make with).

Mr silly dog seems back to normal, getting up and down without pain now. ☺️

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear @Appleblossom @Till23 @tyme

( @Shaz51 but pls don't feel you have to read back-context because I don't want to put anyone at risk/uncomfortable, but do want to include you in this specific message)

Thank you for being supportive and caring. Thank you for not being 'emotionally draining' people. Thank you for your quiet calmness.

I don't feel I can fully talk about everything I'm thinking or feeling, due to the openness of the forum. But know that I would entrust you to more thoughts if there were private threads/messages. The downside of having the upside of safe moderation of the forum. 😅

I'm not sure what I need currently. I'll be offline soon anyway for dinner. I'm just tired and worn out, but physical rest isn't helping. I think i will be quiet the rest of this evening and just let myself process the emotional fatigue. When I am worn out I feel especially grateful for those quiet supports who show up with openness for a cuppa chat or a hug. Thank you. It is meaningful, and I don't think people hear that feedback enough.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Sitting with you @AlwaysMyself my awesome friend 🧡

I will have a read of the before pages after

How old is your dog ?

How old is your mum's dog 🐕

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AlwaysMyself I'm so sorry I haven't been interacting on this thread. I haven't really been on the forums much at all for a few weeks. I was spordic for weeks before that.

I have sped read through your whole thread, reminding myself and reading new material. Please note, I haven't read it properly though.

I'm so glad you have had @Cuddlebear to chat with.

Hi @Cuddlebear I have had some interaction with you on another thread about your new accommodation - so happy for you there.

I also downloaded, but am yet to read the PULSA article.

I have been having some struggles as you may remember from earlier in the thread.

I have tried to deal with this in my usual manner of using activities as distraction. I have for last few weeks had something on everyday (aka 7days/week). I have been to Sydney twice, once for an all day state sports comp. Once to meet up with old friends. It's a few hours to Sydney and then back. I know I am trying to do too much but I feel I need to do that at the moment.

I have been discharged from my psych for being too complex in the last few weeks. I am having difficulty with this, due to attachment issues. I have cPTSD (dissociative subtype) due to childhood trauma - hence attachment issues. As you both know waiting lists are ridiculous for psychs. I have also used up my MHCP for the year so it's $250 per session, which is not sustainable, so haven't really looked either.

I have only sped read your thread because for the last two days - Fri and Sat I have been at an 8am to 4.30pm two day lived experience of suicide workshop and am absolutely exhausted. Tomorrow I have committee meeting for my sport club - I need to take the minutes!

I will come back to this thread possibly tomorrow afternoon/evening, please do not hold me to this

I am interested to know how you are both going, and especially you @AlwaysMyself as you have reached out. I can completely understand your tiredness (see above 🤣)

I also have difficulty about how much to say on threads because of openess of them. I sometimes let the person read my post then go back and edit out some things, if I think I have overshared.

I will tell you about the workshop if you like.

Right now I really need to sleep. I have recently only been managing about 4-6hrs per night and constant movement or cognitive processing for rest of 24hrs.

Anyhow I've written so much it will probably take a day to read it - sorry

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @Shaz51 . My 'older' dog (Mr grumpy boy who hurt his hip) is estimated 4yo. He's a rescue from a poor start. There was a news article about the rescue effort he came from actually, but I cant find it. There is a photo of my boy which i've downloaded from the rescue Org's FB - he looks different enough now that its safe to post. I think it was him, but it can be hard to tell so it could have been one of his 3 similar looking siblings.

He was 6 months old, and 4kg.

As a grown dog he is now nearly 30kg - not a "small dog" once healthy.

But it is not such a shock that he may have physical health problems given his difficult start to life. I am always amazed how healthy and well adjusted he is 99% of the time.

My younger dog is 3 later this year.

And my mother's dog is... I think just over 2? But he is a small cavoodle.

My house will never look "messy" compared to that photo. 😅

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

In your own time @Till23 🥰. It sounds like you have been very busy! I hope you are still saving enough energy and time to look after yourself too. But I am glad you are enjoying visiting friends and your sport. 🤩

I do hope you get a new (and good) psych soon, and that they're worth the $.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Thank you for the tag. I don’t mind, and feel it’s the way the forum can grow a sense of connection between members. It’s great seeing you posting on the other threads and getting to know people. I have also struggled with the experience of being high functioning interfering with friends and comprehension and support in therapy.

@Cuddlebear wishing you the best for your upcoming move. I would not be keen if I had to move again. That CHIME workbook looks interesting. Good on you for being involved in those projects.

@Till23 it is really great to see you around. I know you were going through a lot. I also get the sense of being driven and busy. I always appreciated your closeness to nature and sense of resilience work and in sport. I was more sporty when I was younger. Since my neck condition, my exercise has been rehab oriented. Don’t worry too much about the forum. In a way different people take up the slack, as we all have ebbs and flows in what we can do.

@tyme

I was shopping for my son and saw a t shirt with Limited Edition Limoncello, and a beautiful bright bunch of lemons. It was on sale for $10. I couldn’t resist it. It was my colour palette. Never actually tried a drink of it… maybe one day. Making lemon slices tomorrow.

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