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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Jynx I have heard the term before in passing (or perhaps just because the two words together make sense?), but not a clear idea of it so I have googled it.

Google's AI summary (for other readers too)

Learned helplessness is a psychological state where a person, after repeated exposure to uncontrollable negative situations, stops trying to change their circumstances, believing their actions are futile, even when opportunities for escape or improvement exist.

I definitely feel the lack of motivation to continue trying things (or re-trying), for example when thinking about whether I am willing to trial different medications in the future. And in the past for a long time I didn't get a new pdoc/psych because i had no belief that they would be able to impact anything more than maintain support (i.e. not improve), and I wasn't prepared to spend so much money on that.

However I feel that its more a case of perhaps "learned hopelessness" - although not sure that that is such a term lol. And the reason I make this distinction is that I know I still can if I am willing -- thus not "helpless". In many things in life I have continued to do things even if i don't believe or have hope that it helps.

I understand the "in another world I would have loved the chance to sit and have this discussion with you at length". But its better to know you here than not know you at all.

The only peer-support place I can talk about it is the weekly online group. But of course it's not somewhere that I can speak every week because being a group it is just as important to remember to give space for others to talk and share -- and depending on how many people there are. This week it would have been good to share, but I chose not to because I had shared a little the prior week when we had less people, and this week we had a number of new or only-attend-when-in-crisis people who I wanted to give priority to. But it was good that I could still be there via online and listen to them whilst crying. I just didn't feel any better or worse afterwards lol.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Sorry @AlwaysMyself I missed you had replied !! Sorry 😜. Aw that’s for your care! Much appreciated, really I very grateful for your friendship and support too 🫶

I would love to catchup, what’s on for your weekend?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

No weekend plans here @Chasingsunsets . But will go out to a cafe this morning with my mum and her friend (whom I also know quite well and likes to socialise). I should probably do a little bit of housework putting things away, but I really don't have any motivation to because mostly I don't care that things are on my bench or table. But we shall see... if there is a TV show in English that takes my interest and I have energy I can potter away for short bits at a time.

But I have a busy-ish 4 days after the long weekend. have an appointment every day (although some are at home with them coming to me).

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Chasingsunsets havent chatted with you for awhile.

how are things going?

any plans for this long weekend?

@AlwaysMyself i find it more stressful and tiring having people at my place than seeing them somewhere else. I’m not the best when comes to having things as neat as i could. I go through the thing of on one train of thought it’s that they are coming to see me and that’s it’s not a house inspection. Other train of thought is I need to have things perfect. I can laugh about it after the fact at least

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 i can understand that for sure. I have no (or little) shame in when my place is messy or not been cleaned (my cleaner has been unavailable for 2 weeks in a row, so it will have been 3 weeks by this week). But i am not an anxious or self-conscious person. Where as my exhaustion leaves me resigned to that how things are and they are not the "essentials" so i focus on essentials instead.

The upside is my friends dont mind inviting me around when their place isnt perfect either 😉😊. We all have lived in houses. I have wooden floors, but i also currently have patches of thin "carpet" wafting around (dog fur clumps lol, due to 2.5 weeks without a sweep/vacuum and a super fluffy dog). My socks pick up a lot of dog fur too lol.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I have wooden floors, carpet in the bedrooms. My socks show the impact of having cat with short fur with an undercoat. He never stops shedding. Then there’s my girl who leaves very fine black fur on anything that’s pale in colour.

house cleaning = like mother, like daughter. My mother would go into panic when knew anyone was coming, needed to be week notification or more though. Brings bad unpleasant memories of one of my jobs being to fully clean the bathroom including the pedestal handbasin….Yuck

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@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely how are you today?

I understand re techniques. In the past with therapy I havnt been told directly what techniques they will use. I am really glad you will explore the trauma as it is something that can really be of benefit and improve our baseline. Trauma therapy does take some time for people so go at your own pace.

I’m really glad you will be starting up with the peer worker. Having that additional support right now is so important. It’s really good timing isn’t it. It fits in nicely with everything else you are accessing and doing too. I’m hoping you get a good fit re the peer support.

Yes chemists all do blood pressure and heart beats per minute and it’s free. You can have it done everyday even multiple times and record it. 🙂 It’s a really handy service. Mine goes up when I’m distressed too. My GP seems unconcerned but it does worry me. Since I’ve been on a beta blocker my beats per minute are in the right range.

Im glad the Medicare MH was available and hoping they can provide some decent referral ideas. I’d be interested to know how that goes. I wish these services considered Peoplw with multiple disabilities and that givernment actually had those services available. I’m stuck between a rock and hard place so to speak.

What I like about recovery club is the peer aspect of the group. Even if you know the psychological theory you always learn through the peers joining the group. They are very supportive and are facilitated really well as well. I do the group in the evenings and some of the day ones. It’s a really good connection and something I think you might find beneficial. It’s certainly worth a try. 🙂 It’s done via Zoom. Hasn’t started yet this year will start sometime in February.

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@AlwaysMyself

I agree crying is healthy and helps to get emotions out. I just can’t seem to separate crying while feeling emotional. Like I couldn’t paint and cry at the same time. It certainly does create a spiral for me however I think it’s just how I am wired. My brain is thinking of the things causing the crying. I think people can see crying as weakness but I don’t think it’s weakness. It is a very healthy and shows strength. Sometime I want to cry and can’t. Not sure if you’ve experienced that. I think sometimes it to do with the mild sedatives I’m taking during tapering. The minute I’m in the room with a therapist I trust and they ask me how are you I usually start crying. It’s in safe space where I can feel safe enough to cry and express feelings and situations that cause sadness etc.

The difference in MH workers mannerisms are huge. Many just “say all the right things” but it’s not real. I’m good at knowing when someone is genuine and when someone is just going through the motions so to speak. I avoid ED like the plague due to the not knowing who I’ll get as the wrong people only cause more distress. The only safe havens in Victoria are both in the city. Royal Melbourne Hospital and St Vincent Hospital. They operate on reduced hours and you can only access them by referral from one of the above hospitals. They are very far away for most Victorians and even your more local hospital can’t refer you. It’s really appalling.

I’m really glad you are having a in control day despite feeling low. You’ve done so well so far and I am really proud of you because I know it is not easy.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Oooh that’s pretty good considering public holiday / long weekend.

Im glad you’ve got some additional potential for peer support. The more you can access the better. Especially right now while you taper and prepare for the trial plus address trauma with your therapist.

I body group is worth a try? If it isn’t suitable after you try it you can always stop. You might find some good people who also experience similar pain and other illnesses? Once they open up you can check out more info like day it’s in and where etc.

Im glad that the Medicare MH this time gave you options that you can access even if they are not exactly what you need ie more long term wrap around where everything’s in the one place. it is disappointing that when feeling distressed there’s only one option on limited hours other than ED. I think this is a big issue across Australia too.

when I did the Medicare MH online survey I got the worst in mental health distress. Options were call Lifeline or similar. I did not call them. I’m safe. I could call Medicare MH via the NRS but I suspect they won’t have much available for someone with multiple disabilities. So many people presume NDIS is this magic that fixes everything and it isn’t.

Im really glad your tapering is going so much better than mine. That is a real bonus!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

😮 I had no idea the VIC Safe Havens/Spaces were by referral, not walk-in / self-referral! @Cuddlebear 😮 wow, i have sooo many concerns with that - esp when so many with chronic or complex MH have had negative experiences with medical systems and won't go through medical avenues anymore -- the exact people who may need the service the most.

I can imagine that only having 2 centres in all of Melb they probably fear being overrun with demand. Its a massive population to support. But to me, that would just show how important it is to provide and *increase services/locations* which in turn would reduce the demand for MH in other clinical medical services (like ED).

When i was looking into peer MH training i noticed almost all the states/territories have funding that will pay or subsidise the peer MH tafe course cost. Except my region. Nope, you can only get it subsidised if you are a trainee -- that is you have an organisation who is employing (or volunteer) you and sponsoring you to do it as part of your role with them. Because the Gov don't think they need more peer workers, so they will only help pay if there is secured employment for the person after in that role. But it is possible that our Health system may only be contracting with companies like Stride and WellWays to provide all the peer workers for their services. I know the outpatient ones are. But not sure about the inpatient peer workers. I imagine it would make sense for those to also be contracted via these companies.

Our safe havens are walk-in, no referral or booking required. Anyone can. However they can reach capacity and then unfortunately be able to accept any more people until someone leaves. I havent had that happen whilst i was there, but i am aware it could happen. Makes me realise i should prob call before going when i do, because a 30min drive there plus pre-paid parking, then if i found i couldnt be accommodated when in distress... that would just add to the distress lol. If you called you could ask about capacity and they'd know you were coming. 🤔

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