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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

You’re so lovely to everyone @AlwaysMyself I hope you don’t forget this 🙏

Anyway just wanted to say I’ll be working on my reply later as just off to bed now but definitely no stress when you reply to it, ohh and yess I feel you re the forum creating therapeutic connections ☺️

Have a restful evening and safe travels tomorrow.

Thinking of you @Cuddlebear 🙏

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I'm doing OK this evening @Chasingsunsets , how are you going?

Been distracted-well during my downtime earlier painting (I will post a pic at some stage, but it's still very early on and not much of a pic yet -- it's very detailed and I've been very slow at doing it), and then on forums for the past 1.5 hours.

I should probably try to sleep soon, but I don't feel brain-tired yet. Maybe has something to do with the iced coffee milk at dinnertime? Oops. 🤣 But I don't need to get up early or anything tomorrow.

Because I am both on my laptop currently (and thus able to create a content box) and currently in an OK mindset, it is a good chance to explain a bit more about my thoughts the other night @Cuddlebear @Chasingsunsets @Flutterbug9 .

But only if you want to read - no expectation to. (and of course only if reading won't do you any harm - that is super important to me.)

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Trying to remember what I did or did not say the other night. I think I did mention that the thoughts I was struggling with was the desire/want to "prepare" for death - even though I have committed to (at least) 12 months more of living.

I think it comes from the part of me that doesn't want to live or try to find a way to not find life unpalatable. The part of me that tries to say it could be a "waste of time" trying and just be another year of glum life. The part of me that still wishes (regret) that I didn't end things 20+ years ago. The part of me that feels like it's always being told "things will get better" (even though they didn't), and being told that it "won't get what it wants" (i.e. isn't allowed to die peacefully). It's almost like this part of me is crying out for "attention" within myself? Even though I acknowledge it is there and accept it as a part of me (rather than judge and reject it).

And of course the part of me that is tired and worn out, and doesn't want to make the effort for anything - social, eating, showering, etc. So the idea of continuing to live feels exhausting - even though I know I am taking time off work.

And then there is the practical / action-oriented / solution-focused side of me, which wants to do what is can in advance to reduce stress of barriers later. Which of course, in this case, says "well, we can keep our options open by both committing to the next 12 months, but also doing things to prepare for if I don't want to continue at the end of the year I won't have to "wait" until I have things ready / in-place". Things like writing a will, giving away some items, decluttering, writing explanations for people if I wish them to understand why i want to make this choice... and yeah acquiring anything (knowledge or physical) that I'd need to ensure it went well.

I resist doing any "preparation" - although now that I am separate from my husband I really do need to do a will (I could be in a vehicle accident, for example, and I don't want everything to go to him). But ... a large part of me feels that is "unfair" to myself. That whilst I tell myself its always an option in 12mth, that I'm actually not genuinely keeping that as an option if I'm not allowed to do things to enable the alternative at that time. And I won't let myself because... well, because I've always been told I shouldn't. but that is because people have told me because they don't believe anyone should choose to die without a physical medical reason (terminal or vegetative or incapacitated, etc). ... but for me, I feel like I am not "in crisis" and its not a rash thought/decision. I'm not trying to "escape" a situation. I am not anxious/worried/panicked about things. I feel I am rational and it's been a long-term preference.

I try to turn my thoughts around to "what if it were a friend?" (or someone here). (You know its bad if its a box inside a box, so please do be careful if you feel at all triggered so far - please do not read this box!)
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And that's really hard. Because of course I don't want anyone to die; I like knowing my friends and people here. But the compassionate and empathetic side of me also wants to accept that if some isn't in crisis or acute distress, it's been a long-term want with all of their mind/feelings to choose to (not feeling conflicted), they've tried other options already (medication, psychology/counselling, etc)... then the empathetic person in me says why make them wait until old age to pass naturally if they don't want to? Isn't that just cruel? (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to admit this... I guess I'll find out? But I know the "turn it around as if it were a friend" is a common tool I & others use to reframe things, so it is relevant.)
DO NOT take this as my "approval" of someone else choosing this option. I am absolutely NOT encouraging it. I do not want ANYONE to action on it. I am just explaining how it feels to me, and how conflicted I feel inside around this issue of compassion & empathy vs suicide-prevention for lifelong melancholy.

I do believe it is quite rare for someone to be as non-distressed as I am and still want it, especially at my relatively-young age & physical-ability.

So yep, that's what I battle with even though I am safe and committed to being safe this year. My self-control is very good. The thing I get distressed about (if at all) is having these feelings/thoughts and not allowing myself to act on them lol! If I allowed myself, I wouldn't feel distressed, 🤣. But yeah, that's not happening any time soon - don't worry.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Evening @AlwaysMyself, i definitely have a few thoughts and may just give you a couple now but heading off and will post a longer response when I can 😊

- firstly no good about the iced coffee lol. I hope you do get some sleep since your travel tomorrow 😊

- I am wondering when you got these moments is depression the one talking and it’s not truly you? *even though at the time you think it’s definitely what you want because it’s depression talking and driving the bus at those stages.
- what shines through for me is that there is “unfinished business” almost like you aren’t done yet, you are committed to figuring out what it will take to feel better and to feel again positive emotions? The trial, the time off work, now I hear you are in discovery mode this could be exciting! Just like the thought of finding the golden m&m when you are lost in a bowl of m&ms and can’t possibly think there is a way out of this, I truly believe there is a golden ticket, golden m&ms or a gold key to unlock your mystery of what it will take to feel better and I just know even when things feel like you have nothing else to give I just know you will find a way through this.

2026 you got this 🙏

Have a good night talk soon 💛

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @Chasingsunsets and no rush or timeframe to need to respond in - as I said, I'm doing fairly well tonight. Hope you get a good sleep also. 😊 I have now caught up on all my message-backlog, so I might go to sleep soon too if I can (or play a puzzle game to tire my brain out, or listen to an audio until I fall asleep which is my usual trick for awake-brain).


@Chasingsunsets wrote:

- I am wondering when you got these moments is depression the one talking and it’s not truly you? *even though at the time you think it’s definitely what you want because it’s depression talking and driving the bus at those stages.


This is a good question, and one I often ponder myself. How do I know if I am depressed or not?

I have nothing else to compare it to.

I know what "distressed" feels like. I know what feeling hopeless feels like. I recall what feeling anxious/panicked feel like (from a year ago's adverse reaction episode of it). Most of the time I don't feel distress or hopeless or anxious (actually quite rare for me the past 15 years unless due to a specific, temporary event).

Physical fatigue definitely is linked to me having a lower mood and increased thoughts, as is chonic pain levels. I've had the pain under control the past year though, so that hasn't been an issue lately.

However, even when I'm not fatigued I still have the "preference". Even when I travel overseas on holiday; I asked myself on my most recent trip as a reflection - and the feeling was still that I had a "preference"; that the travel in itself isn't motivating enough to create an internal conflict of "preference".

I suspect a lot of this is also linked to the chronic severe anhedonia. If I didn't have anhedonia would that change my "preference"? I don't know, because I don't remember what it felt like to not have this. I was too young to remember, or my memory too poor, or some form of trauma memory-blocking... whatever it is, I have no emotional memory. (actually I have very poor emotional memory in general! Even if i try to recall how something felt from yesterday - it's an intellectual knowledge, not a re-feeling of it) --- I think that has probably 'protected' me from PTSD ironically.

But if I am going to have anhedonia for life... then I guess it doesn't matter to me whether or not the "preference" is a result of that. The question becomes whether or not the anhedonia can be gone (which leads to your next point)


@Chasingsunsets wrote:

what shines through for me is that there is “unfinished business” almost like you aren’t done yet, you are committed to figuring out what it will take to feel better and to feel again positive emotions?


I feel that I "owe it" to my mother (and friends a bit) to "try everything" first, because of the emotional pain it would cause them. That's why I am willing to wait and try to PAT, and why I am willing to try and see if not-working can help (since my mother would prefer to financially support me if need be than to not have me around). Same reason I am looking to apply for NDIS and maybe once work sick leave runs out apply for DSP - "try everything first" (and reduce the financial burden on my mother as much as I can, so I don't feel as much of a barrier with that).

The science behind the PAT activating neural pathways aligns with what I have suspected for many years may be behind my anhedonic-melancholy, and the results so far have had very good response rates - which is why I am willing to "hang around" to try it. I do think there is a real possible chance that it could alleviate the anhedonia if it can "awaken"/stimulate some of my neural pathways that are dormant or under-developed.

(But if it doesn't? and if the non-working isn't "neutral" enough to be palatable long-term? This is where I struggle, because I can't "logic" my way out of it.)

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thank you for choosing to share that information with me @AlwaysMyself

Few things came to mind whilst reading

Remember witnessing heated family disputes following death of a family member who didn’t have will etc in place I made decision that wasn’t going to happen with my things. I view my will (plus documents at funeral director that I’ve written) as a security plan. My way of ensuring who, what etc when the time comes, be that this week, XX mths from now or (heaven forbid) XXyrs from now.

having a will isn’t a negative thing. Similar yo what you mentioned, it just enables you to have in writing what YOU want.

Thing that comes through to me is your desire to look for answers and solutions to what will create positives in your life and change things around for you. Searching for different options available. The upcoming trial being an example. Somewhere inside you a force that wants to fight and keep going?? An “quiet inner voice” that helps face the dark thoughts and helps keep them at bay??

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@AlwaysMyself Hello my friend. How are you this morning? No doubt busy preparing for the drive home?

There has been some good responses to your post. I hope they have helped.

I do agree that depression is driving the bus when you feel the way you do. Depression is the driver and what you really need is to feel happiness and joy. To find life palatable as you say. I know that’s what you want as you’ve said this many times. I believe that this will come even when it feels it won’t. I’ve seen people recover and you will recover. I believe in you. You have endured a lot and I know it’s heavy when it goes on for a long time. However, you’ve got so many opportunities this year and more will open up as you take the time off and find the wonderful things in life that are around you. You’ve got things to live for. Your mum, your fur babies, your friends and us here. You’ve got yourself to live for too. You are a beautiful human being you have shown me that life is worth it because there’s people like you I’ve met and become friends with.

I understand that things like showering, eating etc are harder when you are depressed. Don’t feel like you are not trying hard enough. These things will become easier and doing some when you can is the only impirtant thing. Having time off from work takes a big weight off you. It will give you some time to focus on these things and not be as bogged down. You’ve been super busy recently and now when you get home you’ll have more of the time to gently work towards these things and the goals you’ve set. Things like the study, having more time to socialise and do your art because work isn’t draining you. Having time with your mum and fur babies. Getting treatment too.

Imagine what you’d say to me and others. You’d want us to see this isn't a permanent state and while the thoughts come and go you’d want us to continue and to find healing.

I am so glad you’ve made no are here. You mean a lot to me as a friend and I want to support you and be there for you.

I feel 2026 will really have the opportunities you need. One step at a time. You’ve got this my friend.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Also love to see your painting when you are ready.

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@Cuddlebear @Flutterbug9 @Chasingsunsets Arrived back home safely, and dogs have now settled after their excitement - my girl dog was crying at the door when she heard my car pull up and i was getting my bags out so it took a few minutes before i can in. Resisted the impulses to not make it home safe.

Don't look forward to unpacking and putting away/washing things. But that can wait, doesnt have to be now, doesnt even have to be today.

My intrinsic resistance to suicide is because I don't want to hurt/cause pain to others or be a "bad example" for people in crisis or episodic depression. It's nothing to do with actually wanting to keep living myself, and this is my biggest challenge with my SI. I understand most people don't "get" this or even sometimes believe that i can not have a part of me that wants to live for *my* sake. If i didnt have as much empathy and consideration of others i would have been gone a long time ago.

The thought of any of you passing away and suddenly disappearing without knowing what happened does sadden me. And knowing that i can contribute to helping you all (and others) helps me with having "something worthwhile" that doesnt feeling exhausting. Thats why i am considering studying the peer work certificate this year - even if i were to only ever use the skills in an informal or voluntary capacity.

I've always been action-oriented and "rational". So for me, making a decision to keep living means I need to try to "make the most of it" - which means, to me and my values, being of help to someone else. I may not like life, but i have the ability to help others like life and cope a bit better.

I'm fairly tearing this afternoon, even whilst driving (when i didnt have to focus more due to the heavy rain). Not "distressed", just feeling a bit sad and grief that i wont let myself die. I realise grief is a weird word to associate with non-death, but that the best word i can find to describe the sadness i feel about it.

The drop-in centre isnt open on sundays or mondays. But i might call the MH line my local public health service has instead; i guess the benefit of that vs other places is that they keep a record of interactions so they can both follow-up if they want but also offer referrals if they think they know of something helpful -- but they dont have anything suitable for me I know, because i went through that 12 months ago. But perhaps by having records of how many people need drop-in type support they can create more business justification to either fund our existing one more hours or else build a second one like one of the other political parties wanted... i just wish there was an effective way to not feel so longing and sad about choosing to live.

Dont worry if i dont reply - just means i am calling the line.

I am safe -- else i wouldnt be sad 😅🤣. My type of dark humour sees the irony and humour in that and can appreciate it.

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And no, my mum isnt home. She had to go out to help take someone who doesnt drive somewhere.

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@AlwaysMyself I fully get you when you say about your thoughts and concerns about impact on others. For me, those thoughts and concerns come up every time my SI is no longer passive.

if hadn’t been for those thoughts and concerns first time my plan would have become reality is almost 20yrs ago.

thing that has stopped my various times within the last few years is my cats. I have no one that would take care of them and I couldn’t leave them alone.

As you said, people don’t understand. I remember being told by MH nurse I was deemed low risk as my concerns for people and my cats will stop me following through on my plans.


Peer support worker course sounds great idea. Based on the you Im come to know on here, would be perfect role for you 🙂

Before I retired my job involved helping people. Thoroughly enjoyed and miss being in a position that allowed me to help people. Know it gave my life meaning and a purpose for being on this planet.

Happy to hear you are safely home and have been showered in love by your dogs

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