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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AlwaysMyself as you know it's totally ok to come and go on the forums.

I have only just got on forums tonight. I went to my sport Christmas lunch today.

I have been the same for a while now, just not having the energy to keep up with anything that I'm not tagged in really and I don't really look at the group tags.

I'm glad to hear though that you are enjoying some jokes/memes etc

I am glad you are looking after yourself.

It looks like you've thought about the financial side of things and are a bit more settled with that. 3 months of sick leave is a good start.

It sounds like trying to get in to see another GP is a good move.

I agree too, if it's not too expensive why not apply for NDIS.

I will look forward to seeing you on the forums, but I am only on sporadically myself, so I understand if you are only on sporadically.

It does sound like you have settled on a plan, which sounds good.

The UK webinar was interesting, they vary, but overall I find them good.

I have all of the classes of cPTSD symptoms - intrusions (nightmares mainly), avoidance, arousal and reactivity (mainly hypervigilance, but people comment on my startle response) and negative cognition.

Did you know that anhedonia is a symptom of PTSD?

In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello how are you? I’ve been thinking of you. I’ve been the same finding it hard to keep up with group threads but am happy for a tag to draw my attention to something needed etc.

How was the birthday party?

Yes it’s worthwhile doing the NDIS application and it’s a good idea to do while on leave giving you the time and not having to juggle work.

Im really hoping that the GP can give you the amount of leave you need and it’s really good you’ve accrued the sick leave and will have some annual leave as well.

Tapering is still very hard. I’m very depressed and full of anxiety. 😥 Lots of physical and mental feelings. Feeling isolated and alone lovely. I wish I had some love someone that I could rely on. There’s nothing and it’s really hard to live this way doing it alone.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Cuddlebear I'm sorry to hear that the tapering is still very hard..

I agree it is difficult trying to do things alone..

I have some bushfires near me, which is distracting me currently..

I'm about to go and hear a choir with some people I know. I don't know them very well, but it's at least some connection.. I do not have children or a partner, so I try to find a connection somewhere.

I hope the rest of your is as good as possible

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Till23 Hello lovely. How are you?

The bushfires are awful at the moment. I can understand feeling concerned. I’m really hoping that they won’t come close and that fire fighters can get them under control urgently.

I’m glad you are going to hear a choir. They’re a beautiful source of music and sound. It’s ok you don’t know the people very well it’s a way to build connection and to build friendships. I’m proud of you for going. Let me know how it goes.

Yes it’s hard doing this alone. I really appreciate that you care enough to message and thwt you understand.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Till23 @Cuddlebear *hugs to you both*

Even with a supportive mother that i live with again now, i still feel alone at times. But i feel much less alone now that im living with her than i did when i was with my partner in my apartment. I think the difference for me is knowing/feeling that my mother cares and has an interest in chatting with me.

How often do you get to see ypur daughter @Cuddlebear ? Do you feel (yes, emotion) that you have a close connection to her? Or abit distant? (I feel quite distant from both my father and sister; no judgement if you do.)

How was the chior and spending times with your acquaintance-friends @Till23 ?

I've been spending my wind-down time painting this figurine.

But i also spend some time helping my mum with some gardening work that i could do sitting down, earlier in the morning before it got warm. My back hurt a lot afterwards lol 😅 oops may have done a bit longer than i shpuld have but i didnt realise until we stopped and i got up from my posture. I figured i could do my painting at any time, but could only sit and chat doing the garden with her whilst she was out there doing it. I like that i could help her abit, esp as she will be financially supplementing me next year. A way of giving back and showing care and respect to her also.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello lovely! @AlwaysMyself

How are you feeling tonight? 🫶

It sounds like he really didn't know how to show up for you... I know you know this, but you absolutely deserved better. I am sensing that this relationship has impacted your current baseline state, so even though you experience your own internal world of anhedonia, for example, I do wonder if this disconnect and lack of support has amplified these feelings?

It really does sound like communication and co-parenting your fur babies has been tough... keeping your expectations low so you're not disappointed - gah! I have been there. It feels awful. 😣

Who else is showing up for you at the moment? Have you been connecting with some of your friends lately?

You're doing a beautiful job of showing up for your forum friends here. 🥰

Awww thank you, that's very kind. And you're right!! It's helpful to be in the same world that you're studying, both inform each other.

How are you feeling about work this week?

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks for checking in @AuntGlow 😊.

The anhedonia has been for 20 years without reprieve, so definitely predates him lol. But i dont let the anhedonia stop me from doing things that friends/family enjoy, or things that i know can help distract/aleviate thoughts - like painting or joining a group for a coffee. However my fatigue levels do sometimes. I think the anhedonia contributes a LOT to my propensity for burnout - there is no balance on the scales.

He has definitely been a co-factor in my burnout, along with work and (until the past few months) my pain levels. He started showing depression and irritability 3 years ago, and so since then i tried to take on "my share" of the housework load (hence hiring a cleaner nearly 2 years ago!) - but this didnt make any difference to his mood or fatigue. It only added to my fatigue, burnout and financials. 😏. So yeah its been building a while. I'd been unhappy living with him for 3 years, which is why i finally said something had to change.

2 close friends know whats going on with my MH, and when i reach out they are supportive. But they are all also quite busy. One i see in a group setting even few weeks, but very rarely 1:1. The other i see less often (since its not mentoring season), but if i needed to she would make time.

Otherwise, my mother, esp now i live with her again she is more in the loop of things and accessible.

My counsellor is supportive too, within the context of paid sessions of course lol. But she's still a support.

Otherwise the one support group i go to weekly, but i only know them from that time once a week and of course not too deeply cos its a shared group convo. But i can voice things if i need to.

In response to: Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Oh. How am i feeling about work this week? @AuntGlow

Well, i feel exhausted. But i am glad its the second last week before i will be taking time off work. Count is on.

Work in itself isnt bad with this team ive been in the past 4-5 months. It's just the physical exhaustion from it thats been hard.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Cuddlebear bushfires got quite close the waterbomber planes flew over my house going back and forth.. They are currently under control thankfully.. Still very smokey, but everything ok.. I can't believe a couple of months ago I was posting about flooding rains!

Anyhow that's Australia for you!

Choirs were good, some were excellent - glad I went.

Saw some other people I also vaguely knew so it was good to re-connect with people.

I can understand to some degree about tapering, I have twice withdrawn from the allegedly hardest to withdraw from AD. I did not start on a high dose though, it still wasn't easy. The second time I knew what to expected so it made it a bit easier from the point of view that I knew what I was up for. I am happy for you to vent to me if that helps.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Yikes bushfires! I guess it is that time of the year 😬. @Till23 . Hope they remain under control and dont get closer to you (or anyone else!).

I remember those floods, your posts - thats when i got to know you first around that time. Leaking roof i think i recall?

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